Should Graham Jones resign? 'labour group leader'

andrewb · 02-05-2008, 02:06

The people have sent a clear message to the Labour group - dirty tactics do not work, and the people of Hyndburn are not idiots, they don't believe the deceptive leaflets put out by the Labour party with misleading figures, and misleading sources, as if the rubbish they quoted was recent!

Losing a Labour seat even though they claim we have the highest council tax in the country (untrue), even though they have the worst things to say about the Conservatives, even though they claim the Conservatives are doing a terrible job.

Negative campaigning doesn't resonate with the electorate in locals, people care about what is being done, people care about if their councillor is at the end of the phone whenever they need him/her. Is Graham up to being leader after the latest disaster?

mani · 02-05-2008, 02:32

but in all honesty it was done from all sides. the battle for central ward was such a personal bitter affair. it was no longer about politics - it was about who cud mud-sling the other better

and in the middle was the lib dem guy. not just on the leaflets - but from supporters too

Rob249 · 02-05-2008, 02:46

I'm glad they lost tonite, the labour party are a bunch of idiots and wouldn't know how to run a bath, never mind this council, glad the people of hyndburn kept them out again, hoping for an early general election so they get kicked out for good, doubt it will happen tho knowing that idiot brown, anyway well done tories.I wouldn't trust labour party as far as i could throw them.

blazey · 02-05-2008, 04:46

I have voted no. How can anyone suggest a politician resign for using dirty tactics? I know in an ideal world we do not want politicians to do this but it has always happened and it always will, and it most certainly wont be one sided either.

steeljack · 02-05-2008, 06:59

I've allways thought the Japanese have the right idea .......all politicians who have lost the faith of their constituants should be required to commit Seppuku, and not retire on bloated pensions and other benefits that the mainstream electorate can only dream of

onlyme · 02-05-2008, 07:24

Couldnt care less if he resigned or not- politics is all about spin tactics, and not only exclusive to Labour.

What I dont like is when the argument gets personal, which this post appears to be.

To me, theres no need for it. The voters have showed where their support lies.

andrewb · 02-05-2008, 07:38

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Originally Posted by onlyme

Couldnt care less if he resigned or not- politics is all about spin tactics, and not only exclusive to Labour.

What I dont like is when the argument gets personal, which this post appears to be.

To me, theres no need for it. The voters have showed where their support lies.

Nothing personal, he just happens to be the leader of the group who should take responsibility. I'd have to hate the guy for it to be personal, and I have no reason to other than his politics, and I couldn't hate somebody over their politics.

For the record I voted no.

lettie · 02-05-2008, 07:46

Under no circumstances should Graham resign. He is the only councillor in Peel who actually gets off his bum and helps the community. Residents in Peel see Graham regularly and can contact him with problems any time of day or night, he always tries to help. This is more than can be said for our Tory councillor who, I had never heard of until I went to vote yesterday, couldn't tell you if he/she is male or female and, certainly don't expect to meet in the near future.

All political parties use spin and dirty tactics these days, that's life but, I will always vote for the people who show backbone, are committed to helping their community and are willing to put up a fight for what they believe is right. Graham will get my vote any day for his hard work in my ward and the improvements that he has made.

andrewb · 02-05-2008, 07:55

Don't get me wrong lettie the poll isn't about him resigning as a councillor, I'm talking about labour group leader.

Also the reason you haven't seen your conservative councillor is that you don't have one. They're both labour.

onlyme · 02-05-2008, 07:58

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Originally Posted by Cyfr

Nothing personal, he just happens to be the leader of the group who should take responsibility.

For the record I voted no.

Would that not be Gordon Brown? Although Grahams rambling posts on here get my goat slightly, he can only follow his partie's direction. It appears that on a 'job description' level, he does his bit, being out and about and so on. Its a shame that he works for a load of..... I'm not allowed to use asterisks anymore am I? Shame.

andrewb · 02-05-2008, 08:01

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Originally Posted by onlyme

Would that not be Gordon Brown? Although Grahams rambling posts on here get my goat slightly, he can only follow his partie's direction. It appears that on a 'job description' level, he does his bit, being out and about and so on. Its a shame that he works for a load of..... I'm not allowed to use asterisks anymore am I? Shame.

Brown is the party leader.

Graham is leader of the Labour group on the council, which means if Labour had gained a majority he would be our council leader. In the same way Britcliffe is the leader of the Conservative group and is the leader of the council because they have the majority.

On the job level description for 'councillor' he does his job in peel ward undoubtedly.

onlyme · 02-05-2008, 08:02

Incidentally, I'm hoping that all the tree parts that keep getting posted through my door will now stop.

Would love to know as well, why, when people are knocking on my door asking for my vote, no matter which party they are representing, they just walk away when i tell them. If someone should a bit of gumption and asked why, it may actually show a bit of interest in a voter, and who knows, I might have changed my mind

blazey · 02-05-2008, 08:02

I too think this is more of a personal attack rather than any thing else. What good is this thread going to do for anybody?

Maybe Cyfr you should concentrate on your own party instead of concerning yourself with so much of Graham Jones' life. I noticed you have cut ties with me recently, and whilst I agree with the idea of keeping your friends close and your enemies closer, I think your not being particularly likable recently and it's disheartening to think that someone with potential is spending way too much time in the playground at the moment and creating a tense atmosphere.

That is my personal opinion anyway, you don't have to agree with it but that is the way you have made me feel. If you continue the way you are going with this then I don't think there will be the future for the conservatives in hyndburn that you dream of, you'll just push people away from both parties and into the hands of undesirable ones.

garinda · 02-05-2008, 08:10

Considering Labour only lost one seat in Hyndburn I think they did pretty well, considering what has happened in the rest of the country, and I do believe the electorate have sent a message to the government in Westminster rather than concentrating on local issues.

In my opinion Graham Jones should not resign.

andrewb · 02-05-2008, 08:35

I just wonder how well they'd do without the blatant lies in their leaflets about council tax!