The Todmorden Curve

Tealeaf · 04-11-2011, 08:51

I notice that today's O/L edition of the Accy Observer headlines the news about the reinstatement of the of the Todmorden Curve. Notwithstanding the stuff about the creation of an additional 1000 jobs (where did they get this figure from?) and the fact that it is a little sop by Clegg to the Lib-Dem constituency of Burnley and the Tory constituency of Pendle, I have a simple question.

Where exactly will the trains going to Manchester start and terminate coming from Manchester?

Wynonie Harris · 04-11-2011, 09:01

Victoria, I would imagine.

Tealeaf · 04-11-2011, 09:20

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Victoria, I would imagine.

Err...the other end, Wyn.

Wynonie Harris · 04-11-2011, 09:23

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf

Err...the other end, Wyn.

Oh right, sorry, Mr T! I would've thought they'd go through to Blackpool, as many services do now.

Alan Varrechia · 04-11-2011, 10:12

I think the Manchester end will be Piccadilly, as far as i remember about the only thing coming north now from Victoria is the tram to Bury.
Could be wrong though.

Wynonie Harris · 04-11-2011, 11:34

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I think the Manchester end will be Piccadilly, as far as i remember about the only thing coming north now from Victoria is the tram to Bury.
Could be wrong though.

Nope, the Clitheroe/Blackburn service still terminates at Victoria.

Tealeaf · 04-11-2011, 15:12

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Oh right, sorry, Mr T! I would've thought they'd go through to Blackpool, as many services do now.

The problem is Wyn, that there are already trains running direct from Blackpool to Manchester, via Preston; there are also additional trains running from Preston to Manchester and of course, there are trains from Clitheroe/Blackburn running to Manchester. So what will be the business case for putting on additional services to go via Accrington and Todmorden to Manchester?

I can't see a terminal/start point at Accrington - there is no room, unless we knock down Tesco to build a new platform and I can't see trains starting from Colne (unless they build/rebuild(?) a curve between Rose Grove & Hapton to link up with the Hebden Bridge line, which then takes Accy out the equation – unless you’re prepared to change at Burnley Manchester Rd. Add on the waiting time for that, and it’s going to be a lot quicker by the existing bus service, the X41. So what about the people in Burnley/Nelson/Colne? They’ll need to get to BMrd – so it may be quicker for them to use their bus service X43.

In addition, the cost quoted is simply the construction costs of reinstating the curve. The train operating companies have to provide (either purchase or lease) the rolling stock and they’re not going to do that unless they can be sure of getting a return. I just don’t see that this has been properly thought through, other than as an electoral bribe to the people of Burnley/Colne and possibly Accy

Acrylic-bob · 04-11-2011, 15:29

I notice that Network Rail and the Government have agreed to the reopening of the railway between Burnley And Todmorden, cutting journey times to Manchester. Our MP, The council and Lancs CC, are all hailing this development as a boost to the local economy and predict 1000 extra jobs within a decade.

What do members think; Is it the best news we've had in yonks, or is it the usual too little too late?

Margaret Pilkington · 04-11-2011, 15:30

Think it might just be too little, too late.
Hope I am wrong(I usually am) but that is my feeling.

jedimaster · 04-11-2011, 15:46

agreed, considering it should never have been closed in the first place and secondly the cost of travel. Can't see many people jumping on the morning commute wagon

Acrylic-bob · 04-11-2011, 15:55

Looking at the map, is it really any quicker from accy to manchester going via Todmorden than it is to go via Blackburn. There doesn't appear to be a lot of difference.

Neil · 04-11-2011, 15:58

As requested I have moved some posts on this subject that was already being discussed in another thread

Wynonie Harris · 04-11-2011, 16:06

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf

The problem is Wyn, that there are already trains running direct from Blackpool to Manchester, via Preston; there are also additional trains running from Preston to Manchester and of course, there are trains from Clitheroe/Blackburn running to Manchester. So what will be the business case for putting on additional services to go via Accrington and Todmorden to Manchester?

I can't see a terminal/start point at Accrington - there is no room, unless we knock down Tesco to build a new platform and I can't see trains starting from Colne (unless they build/rebuild(?) a curve between Rose Grove & Hapton to link up with the Hebden Bridge line, which then takes Accy out the equation – unless you’re prepared to change at Burnley Manchester Rd. Add on the waiting time for that, and it’s going to be a lot quicker by the existing bus service, the X41. So what about the people in Burnley/Nelson/Colne? They’ll need to get to BMrd – so it may be quicker for them to use their bus service X43.

In addition, the cost quoted is simply the construction costs of reinstating the curve. The train operating companies have to provide (either purchase or lease) the rolling stock and they’re not going to do that unless they can be sure of getting a return. I just don’t see that this has been properly thought through, other than as an electoral bribe to the people of Burnley/Colne and possibly Accy

Hmmm...I see what you mean. I'll be watching future developments with interest.

From a purely selfish point of view, I hope it does happen. It'll be much easier to get home after night matches!

garinda · 04-11-2011, 16:16

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf

I notice that today's O/L edition of the Accy Observer headlines the news about the reinstatement of the of the Todmorden Curve. Notwithstanding the stuff about the creation of an additional 1000 jobs (where did they get this figure from?) and the fact that it is a little sop by Clegg to the Lib-Dem constituency of Burnley and the Tory constituency of Pendle, I have a simple question.

Where exactly will the trains going to Manchester start and terminate coming from Manchester?

The headline about the jobs, created by the spinmeisters at Lancashire County Council, made me smile too.

Is there any evidence that '1,000 jobs could be created in the area, within the next ten years'?

Or is it a figure plucked from mid air?

I suppose how they define the 'area' matters.

Is it a ten mile radius from every stop along the length of the line?

Laughable spin aside, it can only be good new for the area. Having a direct journey to the biggest city in the north west.

Choo-choo.

garinda · 04-11-2011, 16:22

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

What do members think; Is it the best news we've had in yonks, or is it the usual too little too late?

Well, when Turkey's finally admitted to the E.U., it'll be nice if we have a 1,000 new jobs here, to welcome them to the area.

You've got to be hospitable.

Fair's fair.