[Margaret Pilkington]

I have been saying something similar for a long time BG........I agree with your concept, except, I would make them work so hard at doing something manual and useless(like move stones from one side of the yard to the other - then next day moving them all back) everyday until they were bone weary.......16 hours a day would seem about right.

That, or drop them on some inhospitable Scottish island with just enough grub for a week....they would have to build a bivouac, and fend for themselves......that would show how hard these thugs really are....if they survived, that is.