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Originally Posted by Mancie
CYFR.. same old 80's Tory spin.."Help people help themselves" = ( miners,textile workers,engineers what help did they get?)
"engourage motivation" = (abolish the wages council and the minimum wage to encourage immigrants to work for peanuts )
"bring people out of deprivation" (a deprivation that the Tory Goverment caused,)
"bring people out of deprivation by helping them help themselves" ( get on your bike, work for a wage you can't even live on while the taxpayer will subsides you with social benifits, at the same time subsidising employers, some of these employers just happen to be members of the cabinet!)
you are an old tory mate.. sad thing is you don't even know you are.
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I'm sorry but thats just not true. It's not some sort of conspiracy. I can't put right the way Thatcher went about doing things and as someone said, the unemployment isn't wholely her fault anyway.
Face up to reality, the Conservative party is different now, you don't need to have the same old unrational views on the party because of what one of the leaders did some two decades ago.
The same way I don't burn New Labour at the stake for their past decisions, although I am happy to point out where I think old Labour went wrong, I don't think New Labour are the same beast, at least while we have Blair and Brown in charge. A strong ecnonomic right-wring government like Thatchers was only needed to counter the years of Labour AND Tory socialism in the past (Torys never tried to revserse the effects really).
Nowadays theres no need for extream politics because it's been brought to the center. Fifteen years (or whatever it is) on, you can't call the Conservative party the same beast, the grassroots membership voted Cameron in remember, knowing his 'compassionate conservative' credentials. They voted him by 2:1, over the much more right-wing, 'old Tory'.