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entwisi · 20-04-2009, 09:49

Utter utter madness

The vast majority of the emissions produced in the e2e lifespan of a vehicle are in manufacture and recycling/decommissioning. As such the most environmentally friendly method of using cars should be to eek every single mile possible out of them and even then teh age old scrap yard process of people buying parts that still had life in them until the vehicle has been stripped of all things worthwhile adds even more value in the environmental scheme of things.

Then there is the 5K grant to buy electric vehicles, this takes madness to a new level. Firstly where does teh electric come from to recharge these cars, Gas and Coal fuelled Power Stations is where, you haven't reduced anything, only shifted it. Secondly there is great concern that our National grid is actually not up to teh job of recharging huge amounts of electric cars and we could end up with Power cuts as a result, Thirdly, the emissions produced in making an electric vehicle are hugely more than a petrol engined vehicle. To make the batteries for Toyotas Prius huge areas of Canadian forest are being decimated. The ore is processed and generates massive amounts of Acid Rain, the resultant metals are shipped to Europe to be processed into suitable for manufacturing in Japan to make a car that is then shipped all the way back round the world for people to buy. What makes it worse is the vast majority of these things I see doing my 30K a year are sat on Motorways at 70 mph when the electric aspect of them is totally shut down and the poor little petrol engine is now having to drag a tonne of battery and electric motor around that it needn't. It is probably the most UN environmentally friendly thing on teh planet right now. And all that comes before we get to decomissioning it. Currently there is no way to recycle the batteries in these things and even more worrying no real idea of how they will dispose of them longterm.

Green? My backside is more green than that.

It shows there is so little real understanding of Environmental issues that its scary.

Top it all with even if teh EU stopped producing ANY greenhouse gases today, China will fill the gap within 18 months. We are peeing in teh wind untill teh world as a whole understands and buys into any of this.

BUt even more concerning, is any of this actually responsible for changes in Climate? The world has for millions of years cycled between cold and hot.......

20-04-2009, 09:49	#7
entwisi God Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Up Bash Posts: 7,827 Blog Entries: 3 Liked: 44 times Rep Power: 4389	Re: In the budget Utter utter madness The vast majority of the emissions produced in the e2e lifespan of a vehicle are in manufacture and recycling/decommissioning. As such the most environmentally friendly method of using cars should be to eek every single mile possible out of them and even then teh age old scrap yard process of people buying parts that still had life in them until the vehicle has been stripped of all things worthwhile adds even more value in the environmental scheme of things. Then there is the 5K grant to buy electric vehicles, this takes madness to a new level. Firstly where does teh electric come from to recharge these cars, Gas and Coal fuelled Power Stations is where, you haven't reduced anything, only shifted it. Secondly there is great concern that our National grid is actually not up to teh job of recharging huge amounts of electric cars and we could end up with Power cuts as a result, Thirdly, the emissions produced in making an electric vehicle are hugely more than a petrol engined vehicle. To make the batteries for Toyotas Prius huge areas of Canadian forest are being decimated. The ore is processed and generates massive amounts of Acid Rain, the resultant metals are shipped to Europe to be processed into suitable for manufacturing in Japan to make a car that is then shipped all the way back round the world for people to buy. What makes it worse is the vast majority of these things I see doing my 30K a year are sat on Motorways at 70 mph when the electric aspect of them is totally shut down and the poor little petrol engine is now having to drag a tonne of battery and electric motor around that it needn't. It is probably the most UN environmentally friendly thing on teh planet right now. And all that comes before we get to decomissioning it. Currently there is no way to recycle the batteries in these things and even more worrying no real idea of how they will dispose of them longterm. Green? My backside is more green than that. It shows there is so little real understanding of Environmental issues that its scary. Top it all with even if teh EU stopped producing ANY greenhouse gases today, China will fill the gap within 18 months. We are peeing in teh wind untill teh world as a whole understands and buys into any of this. BUt even more concerning, is any of this actually responsible for changes in Climate? The world has for millions of years cycled between cold and hot....... __________________ Ian Technical God, No 1 Geek And Linux Guru Have you seen my Flickr pictures?