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I thought that would get you looking.

Last night at the Area Council Meeting it was annouced that the proposed Britannia Crossroads will be converting into the Britannia roundabout. The scheme discussed at a previous Area Council Meeting is to build a roundabout to reduce the number of accidents. The project manager from LCC stated the cost would be £900,000 not including any compulsary land purchases. Originally the scheme had to complete with several other road safety schemes in the County. From what was said at last nights meeting the Area Council have managed to get this scheme passed which is good news for all of us who use that junction daily.

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It is a dodgy junction that one. It is one of the few places I reckon a 30mph limit with speed cameras 100yds before it would have a real safety benefit.

Ian

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A Police Officer at the September ( I think ) Area Council Meeting suggested making it a 4 way stop so everyone has to stop. The LCC traffic engineer explained that the Dept of Transport do not and will never allow us to have 4 way stops. ( Maybe they should listen to Police suggestions )

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It seems a massive amount of money to spend. From the statement that it is going to include compulsary purchasing land, I take it that it is going to be a rather large roundabout.

Surely a mini roundabout would have meant that the traffic that speeds up and down Haslingden Old Road would have had to stop and thus the danger would still be reduced? It shouldn't be about the size of the thing, as the princilpes would be the same.

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I have seen the plans for it and it is not that large. It will be between the current crossroads and the houses towards Oswaldtwistle. Please dont start the 'what else could we spend it on' campaign. It is not Hyndburn money but Lancashire money. If we can get it off them then lets build it.

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Bloody hell, if it ain't that big then I think I'll get in a tender in for ONLY £500,000, and I'll throw in a few decorative shrubs as well.

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Yes, it's Lancashire money but we pay a heck of a lot of money to LCC from our Hyndburn Council tax don't we? So you can't argue that it's free money but I will agree that we should get as much back as possible from them.

It does seem a lot though but I don't know what the going rate for a roundabout is.

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When my kids were younger it used to be 50p for about five minutes, When my grand-daughter is old enough to be taken to the Fair I will give you an update on the prices.

http://magicroundabout.com/Images/TheCast.jpg

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I think we know Less, prices have gone up - it's £900k now. Hope your Grand-daughter only wants one go!

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No Gayle it would cost £900K if I wanted to buy it! To hire one seat on it for just five minutes wouldn't come anywhere near that price unless your using P.B's method of calculation!

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A raised lump of tarmack painted white cant be that dear. Falkirk council built a roundabout and landscaped it like a desert island with damaged boat for 50k.

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Will take a pic and post.

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We are not talking about a mini roundabout. It is a proper roundabout with all four roads leading to it moved to accomodate it. There was a scale drawing of it at the Area Council Meeting in September.

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I still think it sounds extraordinarily expensive. A mini-roundabout would have achieved the same ends as posted earlier.

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Not according to the chap from LCC Highways Dept. He said it needed to be a proper roundabout so cars had to slow down and go around it not just speed over it.

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Forgive my thinking, but we are supposed to stop at mini-roundabouts and give way to the traffic from the right, just like at a larger roundabout. This sounds like a load of bollocks to me.

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A couple of speed cameras and speed humps or chicanes would work as well and cost alot less than a roundabout, I have attended several accidents at these crossroads over the years two of them fatal, and speed is the cause everytime, you just can't get across the road when some nutter is flying along at 80 plus. Just slow down the idiots.

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Was just coming back from my Mother in Laws in Blackburn and they were clearing away what looked like another nasty accident. Hope no one was injured but the car didn't look too pretty.

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Not a lot of room for a "real" roundabout, but yes something needs doing with the junction. Will need some re-shaping of the roads in to the junction, not much they can do on the Brit side, but across the road is there not some "spare" land.
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.sr...3389&ay=426960

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Like I said before, I have seen the plans. The roundabout is going between the current crossroads and the row of houses towards Oswaldtwistle. It is moved sideways from the crossroads into the field opposite the Britannia

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It was quoted as costing £600,000 in the press. Where's the other four hundred grand gone, or was that just your artistic licence when headlining this thread?;)

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The project manager for the roundabout said £900,000 not including any compulsary land purchases. Don't believe everything you read in the press :D

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I am not hopefully speaking ill of the dead, and I applaud the family of the young man who died for campaiging to highlight this dreadful junction, but the inquest found he was speeding. I also know someone who lived near him, and he always drove like a bat out of hell. I've seen him drive away from where he lived at break neck speed as little children played in the street.

I still think a mini-roundabout would have been more cost effective, and resulted in the same ends, namely slowing people down as they tear along Haslingden Old Road.

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People drive over mini roundabouts. I don't think it would be as good as a big'un

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:confused: Yes but you have to stop or slow down to do it. People that carry on driving at over fifty miles an hour and drive across mini-roundabouts deserve to die, and hopefully don't take any innocent people with them.

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One reason for accidents is visibility. If you look at the junction, three of the four roads leading up to it slope down, so it's very hard to see if anyone is speeding up to it. One in particular, the one that runs down the side of the pub has no visibility of the junction on the run up to it.

Better signage and some sort of slowing devices on the road - bumps or markings - would also be essential. I presume, Neil, that that's part of the scheme?

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I must take you for a drive sometime :D :D :D :D

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If you don't slow down, and drive over mini-roundabouts, I'll have jumped out of the car before we even get to the bottom of Fielding Lane, never mind make it to Entwistle.:p

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In yours perverse little dreams mate

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No, not in this case a mini-roundabout would not solve the problem, the problem lies with the aproach roads.
1. From the direction of the brown cow, straight and fast
2. From the direction of duckworth hall, fast with a hill blocking the view
3. From guide, well you got to slow down there, but the problem is judging the speed of traffic coming from the brown cow direction, and vehicles coming from duckworth hall side are on you before you have chance to say " slow down you idiot"
4. From the new lane side, just the same as No3.
All these roads are subject to a speed limit, but not observed, the problem is with vehicles from 3&4 trying to judge the speed of oncoming vehicles, you may get it right, but if you get it wrong..........say no more. So a "real" roundabout must be the answer

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I totally agree that the problem is the speed of the traffic along Haslingden Old Road. Perhaps I'm just thick but exactly the same principles apply to mini-roundabouts as ones that are going to cost something approaching a million quid. Both would have signs warning that you were approaching a roundabout, and you would have to slow down and stop to give way to traffic from the right.

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An admission at last :p

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Yes if it means we keep more green and less tarmac. I remember this road when it was a quite country junction, and I don't want to see another concrete junction there if a less draconian measure would achieve the same result.

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Since the M65 extension it is now a major traffic route to and from Oswaldtwistle and therefore needs sorting out properly.

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Yes it is. I'm not an ostrich. I stand by my original statement that a mini-roundabout would achieve the same effect as a major roundabout, for less money and with less effect on our environment.

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The site was classed as not suitable for mini roundabout or traffic lights. I am not a road planner so I can't explain why.

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I'm not blaming you as the messenger Neil.

Strangely though I'm seeing a room full of boys in road planning, who can no longer play with their Tonka toys, and who have scant regard for the environment.

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just build a bridge then nobody as to stop, and if you look on e-bay you might find one on the cheap.

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At the speed some of the vehicles come from the duckworth hall side a ramp would do the job, don't think they would "land" until they reached the brown cow.
A roundabout and a real one at that is the only answer to that junction.

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In your humble opinion, though of course you're wrong. A mini-roundabout would achieve the same means.:)

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Grinda sorry but Neil is right. I have to go over that junction sometimes with blues and 2's going but still have to stop if coming from Guide or Ossy as traffic on Haslingden Old Rd cant see me till I get into middle of road. Mini-roundabouts are ok where you have good sight of all roads but even then some drivers dont know that they "Have to give way to traffic from their Right" and many a time I have had to anchor on to these idots even with B&2's going. Would love to be able to film and post what happens sometimes when having to drive under E conditions.


a full size roundabout is the only answer for the cross roads

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Bernard, I really think you should give the E's a miss when you are working.

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That's the reason he mistakenly thought l was wrong.:)

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Let's wait and see what the planners actually come up with, then you could write in to object, or chain yourself to the fence, or you could even stand in the middle of the junction conducting traffic :D

Happy New Year

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I might throw myself under the Queen's horse!

Now which of you lot ride?;)

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I didn't know you had a horse.

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Horsey, horsey don't you stop,
just let your hooves go clippety clop, all over the cheeky oiks.:)

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earlier somone said that this junction was not deemed suitable for traffic lights..

ok so apart from a standard 4 way junction is there any more a suitable type of junction for traffic lights

roundabouts only slow down traffic , traffic lights bring traffic to a dead stand still when on red

seems to me a hell of a waste of money when either traffic lights could be installed or even the cheaper option of 4 stop sighns which would only involve 4 stop sighnt and a bit of white paint on the road

i would like to add that as a learner driver i am often amazed at how a hell of a lot of motorists dont have a clue how a roundabout works and pull out infront of me when it is my right of way etc , also anyone who uses whitebirk roundabout or the one in accy must have had a few narrow escapes from dumbasses who are clueless when using a roundabout i have had 3 near misses on accy roundabout alone

traffic lights are easier to understand , red means bloody stop even the most dumb of people know that , i think ....?

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It does still seem an extraordinary amount of money to spend.

No matter how much money you throw at a problem, there will always be idiots on the road who think they are playing a computer game, and drive with a death wish. Sadly not always there own.

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No dis-respect chav1, but you need to use the junction to understand the problems there, as for the 4 "stop" signs, great everyone stops, but who goes first?
Traffic Lights, well the planners tell us they would not be suitable for this junction, I can understand that because of the type of usage of the roads to the junction, peak times.
One of the main problems being that if you are coming to the junction from Guide, you are nearly out in to the road before you can see what is coming from the Duckworth Hall side, the same applies if you have come up New Lane.

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I use the junction regularly, and am still of the opinion that a mini roundabout would work.

Then again I'm not one of the planners who've have made our road system one of the worst in Europe.

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Like I said earlier, and without speaking ill of the dead, the boy whose death sparked this campaign, was speeding, and like I stated, I saw him drive very, very fast whilst children played in the street on other occasions.

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We agree.:)


Not smoking suits you.;)

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Yes we agree :D
Oh and still off the cigs. ;)

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You won't find that type of junction in the highway code because they are not permitted by the Department Of Transport in this country.
Just a point on that mate - as a learner driver you have no rights :p
They can be confusing. Somewhere simple light outside ASDA for example. There are 2 lanes and lights for staright on and for turning right. A round red light means stop for both lanes but not at the same time. 1 round grenn means go for straight on and left. 1 green right arrow means you can go right. Why dont they make the reds and both greens into arrows so you know what means what without any confusion. Now go to whitebirk with loads of lights and four lanes and see how many people get confused with the red and green round lights and green arrows.

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as a learner driver i am probably more raod aware than you m8 lol

half the clowns that cause accidents on roundabouts are those that passed their test before they became so popular on our raods

as for who would go first if there were 4 stop sighns i think the old give way to people on the right should cover who gets to go first

what was the other one...?

oh yes you have to be a regualar user of the junction to appreciate what the problem is with it

bollox you only have to be nearly hit once by some moron speeding down the road to appreciate how dangerous it is and been a learner driver dosnt mean i havnt been up there a lot, i have been a passanger quite along time and a cycleist


anyone who gets confused by traffic lights should book in with a driving instructor for a refresher course on how to use the road safely before they get confused and kill themselves lol


HANGON..

if theres a million quid to spend why not make a bridge over the junction so theres no need for traffic lights , roundabouts or speedbumps , simply enable motorists to fly over the top of teh junction and let the other direction go under the bridge

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You on the road every day?

Think roundabouts have always been with us, may be not as fast & crowded as they are now

Well done you got the first question right

what was the other one...?

Yes come back and make a comment when you are in control of your own clutch & accelerator


As above


I have no problem with traffic lights, but there are a lot of idiots on the road that think they know better than the lights


HANGON..

No there is not £1M to spend that is the estimate placed on the project by LCC Highway Dept Planners

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for teh record my car dosnt have dual control :p and yet again for the record in a driving instructors car they only have a brake and clutch so a learner is the only person with an accelorator no matter if there be dual control or not

my brothers car has dual control or wife as we call her

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Er.... chav would 4 stop signs not prove an issue for you though??? ;)

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depends on how much notice i get that theres gonna be one or weather conditions :)

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chav1, I am sorry you think I am a clever (c**t) as you put it, and that you chose to remove Karma for my post.
Very,very childish of you. I think the words "dummy" and "spit out" spring to mind.

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Parky he's stopped smoking, cut him some slack.;)


The words ciggie and spit out are probably more in order!

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Yes but stopping smoking has turned you into a pussycat, and him a dirty rat.

I'm just glad it's him against the world instead of me for a change.:)

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lol at least i sighned it :p

btw the deduction was %100 intentional but the cu*t word was meant in humour as anyone who knows me well enough no one is safe from the C word :)

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well each to their own parky now heres 20p so you can go ring somone who gives a heck :p

http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/pics/dec/20/2095o.jpg


if you cant find anyone just put it towards a twix or somat


i aint argueing on the internet

argueing on the internet is like the special olympics

even if you win your still a retard :rolleyes:

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Just to clarify its not the learner drivers that you need to worry about its the nuggets with licences that you do more so - highway code gone out the window & theres plenty of them about!!

Coming home from match yesterday & a dosy woman stopped in the middle of the roundabout deciding to allow from the right a bit late!! Trust me your more safer with learners than a lot of the licenced passed nutters on the roads these days.

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yes i am finaly the penny dropped , i agree %100 with you i am very immature i have no problem with it , i take nothing seriously and i can happly sit here all day spurting rubbish infact its what ime known for.

if you dont like my comments just ignore them and i will go away :D

if been mature means been as dull as some folk i know then ime glad ime the way i am :)

peace and goodnight :)

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Please keep to the thread.

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Well good luck with it, as I don't pay tax anyway.:)

I hope you get your monies worth.;)

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I think traffic lights would have been better than a roundabout.

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I don't know if they are working, but they pass the time by watching them, whilst waiting for food at the Brown Cow.:)

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