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entwisi 14-07-2009 12:21

IE vunerability
 
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Retlaw 14-07-2009 13:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 728461)

Okay Ian, but which of those is the best and easiest to use, without having to spend a couple of days setting things up and ironing out the bugs.

Retlaw.

entwisi 14-07-2009 14:12

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being honest there is no such thing as 'best'

each has their own slight differences and what suits you may not suit me and joe bloggs over there will likely have a different opinion again. Thats what makes us so interesting as a race. :D

My personal preference is Opera. I like it for a number of features that other often copy later.
e.g. The Voice feature is really good for me at work for example. I can open a tech site in a tab, shade the text and click "Speak" and it reads it out to me whilst I get on with other stuff. another feature I like is that each website has s set of preferences so I can easily set sites to allow pop ups on some and not on others. I like the latest versions way of showing the tabs as thumbnails of the actual web page. I like the auto sync of bokmarks and browsing history across all teh PCs/mobiles I use. I go to a website whilst at work its automagically in my history at home and vice versa.

As I said, Opera works how 'my' brain works so is best for me. You may find Firefox or Chrome or IE suits you best. The only thing with IE is all these security holes that appear.

teh best thing is to try one for a week or so and see how you get on, then try another and so on. when you feel at 'home' you've found teh one for you.

shillelagh 14-07-2009 16:36

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And if you have a read further on down you will see this one .... thats attacking firefox ...

Unpatched Firefox flaw lets fox into henhouse • The Register

entwisi 14-07-2009 16:55

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difference is mozilla will release a fix as soon as its ready. microsoft only release once a month. julys is coming up so this won't be patched till august at the earliest and if its not ready to be released by the cut off date for August then you are looking at September.

So Opera and Chrome and Safari looking favourites. But even this said these willnever be perfect and someone will no doubt find flaws in them as well at some point. The point is to see who fixes the flaws the fastest.

Neil 14-07-2009 17:37

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Microsoft was aware of a critical vulnerability in an Internet Explorer component at least 12 months before attackers started targeting it in lethal exploits that take full control of end-users' PCs, a member of its security team said Wednesday.

That is nice of Microsoft - NOT

SPUGGIE J 14-07-2009 17:54

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Not a fan of IE but have it for my daughter. I have several browsers as they are all different but with the same end result though can be configured how you wish. I have Firefox as well as Opera, Seamonkey, and Chrome. It is a case of what you are comfortable with for day to day use, besides which a spare one is handy if there are issues with other browsers you might have.

Retlaw 14-07-2009 18:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 728480)
being honest there is no such thing as 'best'

each has their own slight differences and what suits you may not suit me and joe bloggs over there will likely have a different opinion again. Thats what makes us so interesting as a race. :D

My personal preference is Opera. I like it for a number of features that other often copy later.
e.g. The Voice feature is really good for me at work for example. I can open a tech site in a tab, shade the text and click "Speak" and it reads it out to me whilst I get on with other stuff. another feature I like is that each website has s set of preferences so I can easily set sites to allow pop ups on some and not on others. I like the latest versions way of showing the tabs as thumbnails of the actual web page. I like the auto sync of bokmarks and browsing history across all teh PCs/mobiles I use. I go to a website whilst at work its automagically in my history at home and vice versa.

As I said, Opera works how 'my' brain works so is best for me. You may find Firefox or Chrome or IE suits you best. The only thing with IE is all these security holes that appear.

teh best thing is to try one for a week or so and see how you get on, then try another and so on. when you feel at 'home' you've found teh one for you.

Knew there would be a snag to it, just had a look at Opera, so told it to download, first off, box with millions of code letters in it, which one do I want, how the ell do I know, so let it chose its own way, then when it opened all my favourites have vanished. Got rid of it, I don't need or want hassle at my age.

Retlaw.

Less 14-07-2009 18:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 728461)


Oh yawn, back to your old self I see, a decent salesman doesn't slag off the opposition, (though why you seem to think 'Windows' is opposition is beyond me), just stick to the advantages of 'your system', and stop boring us by slagging off what you always put down.

If it wasn't for Windows most people wouldn't be here for you to lecture to, so shut up calling what at the beginning gave you, me and everyone else a starting point that we can all refer to.
:tongueout

K.S.H 14-07-2009 18:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 728532)
Knew there would be a snag to it, just had a look at Opera, so told it to download, first off, box with millions of code letters in it, which one do I want, how the ell do I know, so let it chose its own way, then when it opened all my favourites have vanished. Got rid of it, I don't need or want hassle at my age.

Retlaw.

Your favourites hadn't vanished, you hadn't got any in there if you've just downloaded it, you'll need to export them from IE then import them into Opera

entwisi 14-07-2009 19:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 728543)
Oh yawn, back to your old self I see, a decent salesman doesn't slag off the opposition, (though why you seem to think 'Windows' is opposition is beyond me), just stick to the advantages of 'your system', and stop boring us by slagging off what you always put down.

If it wasn't for Windows most people wouldn't be here for you to lecture to, so shut up calling what at the beginning gave you, me and everyone else a starting point that we can all refer to.
:tongueout

once again Less you half read a story then go off on one


At no point in my post did I 'slag off' Windows. I offered the less technical people on here advice that may save them a cart load of hassle and strife but you would much rather try and take a cheap shot at something that wasn't even said or referred to.

so please crawl back under the stone and let people get on with trying to protect themselves.

entwisi 14-07-2009 19:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 728532)
Knew there would be a snag to it, just had a look at Opera, so told it to download, first off, box with millions of code letters in it, which one do I want, how the ell do I know, so let it chose its own way, then when it opened all my favourites have vanished. Got rid of it, I don't need or want hassle at my age.

Retlaw.

This is the one you want for windows

Opera Web Browser | Faster & safer | Download the new Internet browsers free


as someone else said, you need to import any favourites. Opera make it easy

choose "File -> Import and Export -> import Internet Explorer favourites"

you may neeed to follow a wizard then, unfortunately I don't have an install of windows to check what it does next.

hope that helps

Less 14-07-2009 19:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 728551)
once again Less you half read a story then go off on one


At no point in my post did I 'slag off' Windows. I offered the less technical people on here advice that may save them a cart load of hassle and strife but you would much rather try and take a cheap shot at something that wasn't even said or referred to.

so please crawl back under the stone and let people get on with trying to protect themselves.


No Ian, yet again you tried to slag off Windows, maybe this time you didn't do your usual:-

"Ha yet again windows is insecure use Linux",

However, the implication is still there, you never post anything positive about that system, I know it isn't perfect, but it is good enough for the majority.

As for a 'cheap shot',

Quote:

entwisi=so please crawl back under the stone and let people get on with trying to protect themselves.
You are the one that has cheap shots against a system that the majority use, it isn't perfect but it is better than you ever give it credit for.

Also if we must get personal, why on Earth must you keep reminding us all about how much of a super being you are? The real super beings are the ones that can stomach your over-exaggerated way of being better than the rest, we are bored silly with you being a master programmer, Chief Chef, Potman, Mechanic, Tyre fitter, etc, etc, give advice if you wish but allow the rest of us a little bit of bluster of our own you'res is getting well past it's sell by date, I repeat,

Yawn.

entwisi 14-07-2009 20:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 728560)
No Ian, yet again you tried to slag off Windows, maybe this time you didn't do your usual:-

"Ha yet again windows is insecure use Linux",

However, the implication is still there, you never post anything positive about that system, I know it isn't perfect, but it is good enough for the majority.

As for a 'cheap shot',



You are the one that has cheap shots against a system that the majority use, it isn't perfect but it is better than you ever give it credit for.

Also if we must get personal, why on Earth must you keep reminding us all about how much of a super being you are? The real super beings are the ones that can stomach your over-exaggerated way of being better than the rest, we are bored silly with you being a master programmer, Chief Chef, Potman, Mechanic, Tyre fitter, etc, etc, give advice if you wish but allow the rest of us a little bit of bluster of our own you'res is getting well past it's sell by date, I repeat,

Yawn.

show me where I even mentioned Windows being insecure or even a simple mention of Linux. I didn't, you are wrong, accept that and you may get somewhere. I tried to help people and you wish to slag me off, rather a strange postion to place yourself in on a community forum don't you think?

so what it boils down to is that you are somehow jealous that I have experience and opinions in many areas? That I choose to share my knowledge gets to you? geesh I don;t know whether to be humble or scared. simple fact I make it my business to learn about stuff that interests me. My brain prefers non fiction to fiction. I'll make no apologies for that or how I choose to live my life. If you don't like my posts feel free to block me.



so I've trained as a chef, sold HiFi equipment, worked in IT, my dad taught me about engines when I was young. I enjoy good cars, decent food. Is it a crime now to live a full life? Perhaps I'm different to you that I don't want to be led on my death bed wishing I'd done this that and the other.

entwisi 17-07-2009 19:42

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Update:


Firefox released a fixed version yesterday

Firefox update fixes zero-day JavaScript flaw • The Register

Royboy39 19-07-2009 18:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 728564)
so what it boils down to is that you are somehow jealous that I have experience and opinions in many areas? That I choose to share my knowledge gets to you? geesh I don;t know whether to be humble or scared. simple fact I make it my business to learn about stuff that interests me. My brain prefers non fiction to fiction. I'll make no apologies for that or how I choose to live my life. If you don't like my posts feel free to block me.

That sums up in a nutshell what I have thought for a log time. The only reason I stay on here is that I have friends who do not patronise him.
There has got to be a time when, in order to keep this forum up to speed, that this back seat Gaffer, withdraw into the shadows with his Karma buddies and leave the intelligent and serious postings to the members who are qualified and experienced to do so.
Dont spoil a good forum Less. :)

Less 19-07-2009 19:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 729557)
That sums up in a nutshell what I have thought for a log time. The only reason I stay on here is that I have friends who do not patronise him.
There has got to be a time when, in order to keep this forum up to speed, that this back seat Gaffer, withdraw into the shadows with his Karma buddies and leave the intelligent and serious postings to the members who are qualified and experienced to do so.
Dont spoil a good forum Less. :)

So the kraken awakes, You think you have a friend so you start your attacks once more?

How pathetic you are, I'm not about stopping intelligent comments or threads just people that insist they are better than the rest of us, you are a prime example.

I know I'm not perfect but I do object to your kind of person that try to make yourself better rather than equal to the rest of us.

If you are now starting yet another of your useless lets get Less freaky do's could I start by saying, you aren't liked by most people, most of us put up with you, continue as you are and I might just stop being a good boy.
:p

By the way, I've no real problem with entwisi except that he is Soooo, perfect, he, I can understand because he believes it, you are are just a pain that no-one really wants to put up with, (no matter how many friends you pretend to have).

Royboy39 19-07-2009 20:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 729570)
So the kraken awakes, You think you have a friend so you start your attacks once more?

How pathetic you are, I'm not about stopping intelligent comments or threads just people that insist they are better than the rest of us, you are a prime example.

I know I'm not perfect but I do object to your kind of slime that try to make yourself better rather than equal to the rest of us.

If you are now starting yet another of your useless lets get Less freaky do's could I start by saying, you aren't liked by most people, most of us put up with you, continue as you are and I might just stop being a good boy.
:p

By the way, I've no real problem with entwisi except that he is Soooo, perfect, he, I can understand because he believes it, you are are just a pain that no-one really wants to put up with, (no matter how many friends you pretend to have).

I think that tirade sums up the man.
You are the only man on earth who has ever called me Slime and because of your position will probably get away with it.
Try to go big time with a small brain and you may come unstuck. :eek:

Mick 19-07-2009 20:18

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RoyBoy you now owe someone an apology you reported the post and if you read the original post it has been edited

Royboy39 19-07-2009 20:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mick (Post 729595)
RoyBoy you now owe someone an apology you reported the post and if you read the original post it has been edited

Mick....the only person I can thank is you for editing the post. I owe an apology to no one.

Less 20-07-2009 06:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 729592)
Try to go big time with a small brain and you may come unstuck. :eek:

You should know, you've tried and failed every single time.

Now get back into that bottle of rum and stop being a nuisance you old soak.http://planetsmilies.net/eat-drink-smiley-5008.gif

Neil 20-07-2009 07:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 729592)
I think that tirade sums up the man.
You are the only man on earth who has ever called me Slime and because of your position will probably get away with it.
Try to go big time with a small brain and you may come unstuck. :eek:


Oh my gosh he was called slime :rolleyes::D

We do have to be careful which words we use as we are a family forum. I am sure many members would use more colourful words to describe your actions on this board than slime.

MargaretR 20-07-2009 09:04

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I think that this could be sorted out later behind the bike sheds
....bring your own water pistols :rolleyes:

Royboy39 21-07-2009 00:18

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If you want be educated on unsigned negative karma, just follow this thread.
The buddies gain, leeps and bounds....the ones who dont toe the party line suffer.
I am not bleating, I am just putting forward a senario that does happen on this forum.
Man Management is a skill and if you encounter a challenge to that skill you act accordingly.
I am nobodies patsy and will under no circumstancies put up with the rantings of stupid
characters who display 'Better than thou' attitudes towards fellow members.
Go for the Anon 'Red Button' if you must but have the balls to sign your complaint.

accyman 21-07-2009 02:28

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who needs words when a picture is worth a hundred of them

http://wallydownundy.com/wp-content/...-the-dummy.jpg

Neil 21-07-2009 08:44

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Why sign bad karma when it obviously annoys the recipient even more when it is unsigned. Its like a double slap to some people :D

spex357 21-07-2009 09:09

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I have used IE since the beginning, only once did i try a inferior browser and soon removed it, an unpatched activex bug sounds about as threatening as swine flu which we are not worried about seeing as we dont eat much pork, smoke many pork sausages or even drink pig bile, and as i dont install any activex unless i need it and can verify where its coming from i am not in the slightest bit worried about it and will be using IE like nothing ever happened like i have past all the scares and worries thrown about by the "registry" over the years

Neil 21-07-2009 10:25

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Many people see IE as the inferior browser. I liked it before it went all icons and they moved many of the buttons to the right of the window. Yes I know you can move things about but I just stopped using it instead. A bit like the drastic change Microsoft made to the look of Office when they moved from Office 2003 to 2007.


I do use IE at work as it is the only one installed. I don't like it as much as Firefox.

I find Firefox the easiest browser that suits me personally best. I do think browsers, like any applications are personal and you should use what you like. I always warn people to try something else instead of IE because it has always been one of the least secure browsers with the biggest number of bugs/hacks. I always have more than one browser on my PC's just incase the one you usually use does get attacked or just goes screwy. You can then use another browser to find out how and then to fix your usual one.

spex357 21-07-2009 11:28

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It sounds like a plan having two browsers but i think the media stirs up the browser wars and i have never had a problem with IE whether it was under attack or not. i agree with the idea that some browsers may be more suited for different ways of useing your browser experiance, i have friends who load their start page with all sorts of gadgets like weather modules and news blogs then moan when they are waiting for it to load. I keep my start page as naked as the day it was installed, i want to open it and browse as soon as possible.

Neil 21-07-2009 19:17

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google is my home page, you don't get much simpler than that.

I think your browsing habits will determine how likely you are to end up on sites trying to hijack your browser etc


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