Porn to be banned by ISP's?
 

UK to block all porn by default later this year | The Verge

Now I have no real worries about this, after all it seems if I'm into porn I will be able to apply for a pin to continue such 'browsing?'.
However what do we class as porn? Who is going to decide what is porn?

Of course it's quite obvious that anything involving, children must be a no, no, but (and there is at least one big butt in most porn), during the 17th, 18th centuries weren't there people going around knocking bits off statues or adding robes to classic paintings?
This is now classed as desecration, are we going back to a similar mindset?
Will todays art students have to get themselves onto a porn register to study the human form?

We all have in our minds eye a definition of what porn is, but what I may find pornographic may just be a mild form of titillation to you.

Some of you may be naturists, will legitimate sites for this rather drafty pastime also be banned?

Somehow, even if these measures come into being the people that want their brand of porn will find a way to get around any censorship, this could just be yet another worthless sound bite showing that yet again the politicians are putting on a show of looking after OUR interests when really they are doing nothing at all.
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lmao this will not stop a horny teenager yet alone a dirty old man from accessing porn

do they really think the majority of people pay a subscription to a porn site hahaha

all puff and wind and a very poor excuse to begin restricting internet access.It will start with porn and end up with you having to request access to your facebook account and have eveything you type approved before submitting lol

ps:

Labour were just as bad at wanting to control ouractivity on the internet they also dont liek been embarrassed and exposed as liars world wide

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I purposely didn't mention any one party, because they all know what is best for us, (usually because they have tried these things themselves).
;)

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yeah with labour it was the mandelson media bill which on teh surface looked liek it was for our own good but in reality served the government and gave them cart blanche to basically do whatever they wanted with what you sent via the web

now its this

have the cons skipped directly past obesity and alchol to blame for societies woes and jumped straight to porn..Maybe the mass use of tissue paper is causing the destruction of teh rain forrest hahahahaha

sod windmill farms just put little dynamos on teeneagers wrists

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;)They'ss be taking Willie Nelson and Fanny Craddock offa' search engines then ?

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In America no doubt the pee wee junior football league will be greatly effected as well!
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Sheesh! What next? Thoughtcrime.:rolleyes:

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O2`s mobile network has had restrictions for a while. Try to access something even slighly rude and you get this message.

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despite you having a contract with them i bet

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With some of your thoughts, YES. :tongueout

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I do have a contract with them. Only seen that screen a few times though so not really been a problem.

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Well it won't affect me at all, never was a looker, more of an action man myself:D

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I think most people know what porn is. It is the kind of stuff you don't want your children to access...the depiction of violent rape of women,beastiality, other stuff which is aimed at perverted tastes......and if you(and I use 'you' in a collective sense) really want to view this kind of stuff you will be able to...you will just have to register to receive it.

It cannot be a good thing for children to be able to type into a search engine something innocuous, but with a double meaning(of which they are unaware) and stumble on porn images.

I'll wait now for the hurling of the red stuff.

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I don't see why any right minded person would want to hurl anything at you, you are only saying what most 'normal', people feel.

However let us consider the sledge hammer and the walnut?

If the Government wants to ensure that children don't see porn, throw the responsibility onto the child's parents, teachers or anyone that is supposed to keep the child safe by not giving them access ensuring the nanny protection is in place, check what they are looking at, Any child that comes to my house wouldn't be able to see porn of any kind, Parents should be far more careful when dealing with THEIR children and the web.
Some porn is legal, why should childless people be denied their pleasures?

Though I must say, if they spend their time looking at porn instead of developing healthy relationships, no wonder they're childless.;)

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I agree wholeheartedly Less...it IS the responsibility of parents to ensure that their child is safeguarded, and a lot of parents will already be doing that, but suppose your child goes to a friends house and his parents haven't ensured internet safety .......perhaps your child will see something that they should not see...something that in their own home they would not see.

Some parents are not fit to look after a gerbil, let alone children.

If adults wish to view such images then they will be able to sign up to do so.

This is one governmental intervention that I am in favour of.
No child should be able to stumble upon pornogrphic images.

As to the red stuff...some people hurl it for very flimsy reasons.....it doesn't have to be justified.

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From what i have gleaned about this most of the child pervs dont access their vile filth through normal isp's so wont solve anything. They should chop the nads off a few see if that deters them.:knife::behead:

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You're not posting right then, make sure it deserves the red stuff, it takes the sting out of the tail!
:D

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No sting in the tail of undeserved stuff!

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It isn't just about stopping those people who want to view paedophilic images, but it is about protecting children from images that they should not be able to access.
Just out of interest......in what manner to paedophiles access the images if not through ISP's...is it via networks of like minded people who indulge in file sharing?

Anyone...and I mean anyone(regardless of their celebrity/political status) caught with images of sexual abuse of children should be chemically castrated.

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on o2 via mobile I used to get that for all kinds of sites that wasnt 18+

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I suppose we won't be able to see Free Willie next

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most go through a system called "The Onion Ring" which is where the darker side of the net lurks, its basically anonymises your connection and you. The only way plolice can catch you on there is through infiltration and entrapment. There was a high profile case of someone who only let slip a "handle" that he'd used 15 years before as a username on a gaming site. from there they linked through to him and caught him ( although he was more into credit card/drugs stuff than kiddie P) he couldn't give up any of his cronies as even he didn't know who they are due to the nature of how TOR works.

There are of course many "sub nets" set up and managed independantly and well away from anything google etc have a hope of searching.


an interesting point was made on FB the other day that despite the Daily Wail being a major proponent of this law their own website would have fallen foul of the very rule they are looking to implement!!!

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Got to say I think your absolutely spot on Less, if parents made sure their charges were on a secure internet and checked on it on a regular basis there would be no need for political intervention at all, I'm sure there are a lot more important things Cameron could be dealing with than cleaning up the internet, how's about cleaning up the immigration problems and the borders agency who aren't fit for purpose

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John...you can protect your children in your own home to a degree, but you cannot protect them if they go to someone elses home...which children frequently do..you do not know what level of security is applied to someone elses system......it is foolish to believe all parents have the same vigilance as is practised at home.
I think it is better to have to opt in...to have to use a secure pin number if you really do want to access such sites.

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Thank you for that info Ian..it is appreciated.

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I just googled 'onion ring' and now have some great recipes for battered vegetables.:)

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That's all well and good Margaret, but by your own admission other parents may not bother so your just in the same boat:(

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So, do we stop there? Just protecting our own children?
Yes, they could go to a friends house, yes, their friends parents could be allowing porn to be watched.
From the little I've seen most porn sites ask if you are over 18, I don't know nor am I interested in finding out that all porn sites ask that.

However, any parent allowing access to such sites needs to be sorted, they obviously aren't fit.

If you're over eighteen then you are allowed to choose, under eighteen you have adults responsible for what you view.

If they don't take responsibility then they should be forced to.

I don't watch porn, (often), (usually I catch a glimpse when some idiot insists on showing his (I have yet to meet a woman that wants to show me porn, though I'm sure they exist) latest find), (strange how they are lonely folk that need to share their depravity with others), but if I wanted to, I should be allowed to, so long as I make sure no one underage can be allowed access.

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It seems a good idea, in theory. It also seems a bit sketchy.

So much 'porn' is user-generated these days, and distributed by the creator, and yes how we decide what is 'porn' is an issue as well.

What of adult hobbyist sites, fetish sites, swingers sites, riggers sites, what about sex shops, Ann Summers, 'Mens' mags, The Sun online...

Is it a case that they'll ban a search on anything with the word 'adult' in it?BBC iPlayer is listed as a "risk" site by most web filtering engines already, due to the "Potential for containing Adult Content.

Protecting children is a damn important issue-I'm just not sure this will work. If it is a case of filtering any searches with the world 'Adult' in them, people will have to remove the block to access so many things.

Also, I remember a couple of years ago reading a CEOP report whereby they'd stated that many peodophiles are becoming more tech-savvy than the average internet user, more technically competent-in order to cover their tracks, It's the nature of the beast :(

The idea of 'helplines' and warnings popping up when a person tries to access media that features the underage is good, as is the proposal of police tracing of those trying to access it-I can kind of forsee it having a potential for going wrong, though. So many things have double meanings and/or are ambiguous.

'Ageplay' porn is already illegal, I think , or at least depicting an underage person is, regardless of their chronological age-yet it's EVERYWHERE, same with Urolagnia, banned from porn sites (apparently) banned from live porn shows, but two clicks and you can view it.

I agree with the issue of parental and other adult responsibility-not everybody is diligent at making sure children cannot see what's inappropriate.

Do we think that any media violence will be banned as well? Depictions of people hurting one another-again inappropriate for underage viewers.

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I don't get it John.....how am I in the same boat?
If children go to visit friends I expect their parents to be vigilant about what is accessible on the internet, if they cannot(or will not do this - for whatever reason) then surely it has to be better to have a system where people who want to access this type of material need a secure way to log in to access it.

I do not want children to be able to stumble upon violent rape scenes, or scenes which degrade women......is that wrong?

If adults wish to get their pleasure in this way, then that is their choice, but it should not be freely available just by punching some phrase into a search engine.

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You dont seem to be paying attention to anything that others say.

Meanwhile, look at Sugarmouses post, maybe you could agree with some of that?

By the way, if you need help getting off your high horse, use me as a stool.

I hope you're wearing spurs.
:eek:

Joking, honest!

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I do not know what ageplay porn is....and I am unsure of what urolagnia is.....I won't google them just in case it takes me somewhere I don't want to be.......I might have been a nurse, but I am still a bit of a prude(I have told you before that in my head I am only 14)...as to the question would I ban media violence...yes I would make it something that was accessible only to those who had a pin number - but that is because I do not like violence of any kind...even the cartoon stuff makes me cringe.

I know violence exists in the world, but I do not consider it to be entertainment, and I do not want it in my living room.
When films come on TV and it says violence and bad language I head upstairs to read a book.

Now I guess I have made it plain why I watch so very little on TV.

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Of course I am paying atention, the only way we can protect other peoples children is by making sure that when they come to our home, systems are in place to prevent them viewing unsuitable material(or is that not the point you were making?)...that is a given......but if there are people out there who either don't, or won't follow this lead then it needs something else to be done.

I have read and digested the post by Sugarmouse and yes, she makes some very valid points.
As for me getting off my high horse......what the hell Less, it took me long enough to get up here, so don't think for a moment I will be getting down just yet..besides the view from up here is divine..as I'm sure you know only too well :)

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lol!
Well I guess the only way this would be effective for the purpose of stopping children stumbling across adult content, or to stop a curious teenager searching for it, is if everybody opted for it-in theory. If a child can still view porn in some places but not others, then it's pretty much pointless.... In fact it could even have the potential for being further damaging.

If it's so restrictive that no adult content at all can be viewed with it on, then I can see many people opting out of it.

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O.K. so suppose all porn is banned, it seems to be a thriving industry, will it just die or will it find itself being viewed under the same circumstances as the method described by entwisi?
Suddenly millions could be open to prosecution for not having a pin number, the same millions could because of the way they are forced to watch porn even go several steps further and say, a sheep for a lamb, may as well watch child porn, these same people leave the site open and your grandkid walks into a friends house then sees that.

Still the same irresponsible parent and nothing has stopped the kids from seeing it.

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My understanding of what is to happen is that ISPs will use a default of not being able to view adult content for new users(from next year)...and that current customers will be told that they will have to opt in to view adult content.....and this will apply to all devices for your internet address...so if someone is using your internet, they will be unable to access adult material unless they have a pin number.

I will stand corrected if anyone knows any different.

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You're right-I've just asked Neill-I had a feeling he would have done his research on it lol

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I don't know what will happen.......after all, I seem to be pretty naive in such matters......but I reckon if you ask someone what an 'onion ring' is the majority of folk will tell you it is a tasty fried vegetable.
And how are millions of people forced to watch porn if they do not know how to access one of these onion rings(and I'm not talking fritters)?

Entwisi is an IT specialist so he would be far more aware of possibilities than many ordinary internet users.

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It wont work. My mobile ISP blocks over 18 things unless I tell them not to. It doesn't work because for interest I have tried to get around it very simply and can.

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Most kids know about vpn and proxies before they get to the age that the female form is remotely interesting to them.

And I think that most people will have to opt-in because the filters will have to be set so high that many sites will be inaccessible (e.g. Deviantart.com which is the largest online art community), which kinda makes the whole exercise just a lip service by a government in disarray

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see....? I don't know about VPN..or proxies....and I won't be opting in so that I can avail myself of any online art community.
I will ask my daughters nine year old to help me out in understanding these things.

I do however, agree that much of these proposals are what the government think will bamboozle us...and that they are in disarray...most definitely.
Pass me an alternative...please, if you know of one!

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At last, folk are coming around to what I said in post #1.

It's just a useless sound bite.

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Kids will always find a way to do what they shouldn`t. Whether it`s drinking, smoking or watching things they shouldn`t. In my opinion, the more blockades they have in the way the better. It may be an inconvenience to others, but that`s all it is, an inconvenience. How well it will work, we will only find out when it`s implemented.

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Like you, I think the more barriers that are in place, the harder it is for children to get to this stuff, then the better it is........it will put off those who are just looking out of mild curiousity and those who are persistent may get rumbled by their parents.
A slipper did the trick in my day:)

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i hope an alarm dosnt get set to go off every time i think of boobies it could get very noisy around here

google search for great bluetit - zero search results

recipe for cream pie - zero search results

pubs called the dog inn - zero search results

10 years in prison for innocent searching lmao

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Boobs wouldn`t be classed as porn surely, there main purpose is for the feeding of babies, but a few years later, when you`re a teenager, it`s unsuitable for you to look at them?

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Not in my book it aint.

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Which books that, one from book parade on edgar street.:D

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where as kids used to hide porn mags between porno and exchange magazines like soviet spies in seculded spots away from adults whole movoes can be exchanged via usb or bluetooth these days
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god i envy these lucky sods they have it so easy and risk of capture is minimal lol

you leave a mucky mag out on your bed and your screwed

leave a usb flash drive and its either assumed to be for school or parent is unable to figure it out lol

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The more you tell kids not to do something the more they want to do it.

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That`s very true, but it doesn`t mean it should be made easy for them. Sadly, the determined will find a way.

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You can keep tabs on what kids do in their own homes but when they cross the threshold, unless you go with them, you ain't a clue what they're doing, but you've got to remember that kids are so computer literate these days, if they want to access anything it will be hard to stop them

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That is true.

Plus, I am against violence, illegal activities, suppression and all the other things that feature in porn BUT, they also feature in other genres.

I would rather that had I an adolescent (note, not a CHILD) in my care, s/he explored their sexuality under my roof than had to go elsewhere to do it. I don't think porn is harmful in its essence, more so harmful when combined with other factors that contribute toward it being harmful.

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I don't like violence either Margaret-I put it down to my being a bit of a wimp-but it scares me and makes me agitated.

A lot of films show representations of violence, people getting hurt, torture, aggression even non-physical, I do not like-it makes me feel uncomfortable and definitely isn't entertainment for me.

The other half loves this sort of stuff, I've tried to figure out why and tried to understand for the sake of common interest.He's far 'harder' than me as a person (for which I am thankful!) but I can't like this sort of stuff. I know It's very popular, I know it's not real, and I am probably the 'weirdo' for not liking violent films.

Bad language doesn't bother me unless It's used aggressively like in aforementioned films. In comedies etc I'm not bothered by it.

Ageplay refers to where an actress/actor of legal age pretends to be younger for the sake of adult entertainment-dresses in a younger style, talks squeaky, pigtails etc.

I think it can also mean when a younger actress pretends to be older but this is less popular, or an older woman pretends to be in her twenties, etc.

From what I know the most popular type is a young-ish woman pretending to be an age anywhere from infant to schoolgirl. It is supposedly banned on many websites, but as I said, were you to search for it-couple of clicks and you've got it.

I am not sure where I stand on ageplay morally. On the one hand, it can be seen as wrong to want to fantasise about the under-age, on the other hand-it's a harmless outlet for those who MAY have sinister tendencies, It's acting at the end of the day-and if it is between two consenting adults then?
But that's another discussion altogether.

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And if you tell them to do it they don't? Right, well unless it includes cleaning their room.

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It is just a sound bite, an unmade promise, there must be some bad news he's busy trying to hide.

The Police have already admitted for every really nasty porn site they close down about three more open up.

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Less, I was talking about children...Neil observed that if you tell them not to do something they will go all out to do it.

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Maybe they aren't trying hard enough then.
It is getting so that the police admit defeat before they even try...I suppose it is much the same with drugs.....maybe that is why there are some factions that want them legalised.

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I also in post #1 mentioned anything to do with children is a no, no, by which I meant, whether viewing them or allowing them to view, it still comes down to parents taking responsibility.

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And I think you will find that I agreed with that, but also noted that some parents you wouldn't entrust with the care of a gerbil, let alone children.

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The emphasis seems to be on stopping people viewing porn, when they should be spending resources on preventing the production of photos and films depicting abuse of children.

Stop the abusers and those who photograph it and there won't be anything to watch.

I know it is unrealistic to expect that the problem can be totally eradicated from society, but from what I have learned about child abuse since the Saville scandal broke, the law enforcers are being prevented from pursuing some sections of society who are abusers, on the the grounds of political expediency eg Ministers, MPs, judges.

They have thrown you the minnows - celebs and some priests, and tell you - 'no stone will remain unturned', when there are boulders that are being buried.

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This to me is the wisest observation on the thread.;)

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This isn`t trying to stop adults watching child porn, although search engines will have to block illegal content, the isp customer will be blocked from watching regular porn, that is, consenting adults doing what adults do. The new filters are to stop children seeing it.

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Stuff and nonsense my friend. :)

The playground will be full of exploits and loopholes to override the filters. What it will cause, is ordinary people who want to look at the 'blue hahn cock' plinth in trafalgar square to be forced to opt-in and thus allow big brother to know that you are an opt-in and therefore a potential problem.

'M'lud, this man is an opt-in, what does that tell you of his character?'

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Not saying it will work, it has already been mentioned how the determined will still be able to watch. But maybe it will stop the not so determined, just the curious who do a search, get stopped by the filters, then go back to the underwear section of their mums Littlewoods catalogue.:D

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Going round in circles..everyone seems to agree it won't stop the kids...so just who will it stop?

Answer..No-one....which 5 pages ago Less was saying in his original post

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It is just a red herring diversion to con you into thinking the problem is being tackled - they daren't!

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And as I said in post #43, we will only find out how well it works when it is implemented. Just because it doesn`t stop it 100%, does that mean it should be scrapped. Should we just let kids smoke and drink, just because some of them get fake ID`s or some shops don`t care who they sell to. Even this forum has a section restricted to over 18`s, should that be scrapped too ( I hope so, cos I can`t get into it ).:)

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Pop into the watering hole one sat lunch n introduce yerself, then they can see yer oer 18 n yeh gain entry, not that its really worth it, but popping in the watering hole makes up fer that.:D;)

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With my youthful looks, they probably won`t believe me.:D

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our government and especially usa government is more concerned about protecting copyright of multi mllion pound/dollar companies and spends a great deal more protecting them than they do children.

last year the usa practically invaded other countries in a cyber fashion shutting down websites hoste din other countries witout even consulting the countries they were cyber attacking yet struggle to shut down servers hosting pedo sites in tehri own country

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Not saying this should be done instead shutting down child porn, but in conjunction with. Stop kids watching porn, stop anyone and everyone watching child porn.

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The simple answer would be to severely clamp down on those who make it,and distribute it, but they never will. i mean cmon they make snuff movies, bestiality, child rape, n allsorts of devious crap,too many top people like it, to ever act on it.:rolleyes:

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Lunch? How long u guys there ?

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Usually between 12-00 n 2-00 ish.:) Though i aint been down today due to foot injury.:eek:

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Had eye test. Wandering around town debating to go in. Bit late now.

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So yeh started talking to yer self now?:D

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That's a lame excuse:rolleyes:

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Couple of interesting articles here;

BBC News - Wikipedia founder brands PM's porn filters plan 'ridiculous'

Family filters won't block 'soft' porn: David Cameron retreats in war on internet porn, admitting there will be 'problems down the line' - UK Politics - UK - The Independent

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No matter what the authorities do to block sites, people who want to watch that sort of thing will always find a way round the restrictions.

In Saudi Arabia all internet access was filtered through Riyadh University - even a search for "Virgin Train Times" was blocked because of the word "Virgin". That search also resulted in "Train" being blocked. Easy to get around the problem by the Compound Management installing direct satellite access.

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ww.bbc.co.uk/news/techwnology-23573048

No need for Cameron to poke his nose in- the Yanks have done it for him. This way homes in directly on the perverts and they can be identified-excellent!

Oops, done it wrong, doesn't download. Perhaps a mod can sort it for me please.

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BBC News - Child abuse sites on Tor compromised by malware is that what yeh were tryin to do Gordon? yeh had got a "w" int wrong place somehow lol

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That's it, cashman, thanks. How on earth I got the 'w' in I can't imagine, surprising what you can do when you don't know what you're doing!

On thread, why didn't Cameron go down this path instead of trying to use a sledge hammer on this particular nut? If they know they can be traced they won't dare use the websites and they'll die.

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That might just be because it is a 'soundbite'....one of those things politicians use to make us, the electorate, think they have our concerns at the heart of their policy.
It is designed to make us think there is some action going to be implemented.
Words, are only words........Action, that is what means more.