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I seem to recall that about October or November of last year, Owd Bert (sorely missed) opened a book on when the first occupants of the estate would be moving in....I think I said September & I think Lettie bet on October....I can't trace the thread. Does anyone else remember it, and if so, are you honest enough to state what you bet (unlikely)

Also, what address is this going to have? I would assume Church because that is where the main entrance appears to be, but only a third of the old resevoir was in Church (a third was in Accy and a third in Ossy).

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What happened to him?

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Tealeaf, Owd Bert's original thread is in Accy Photos page 4 entitled Old Lodge Site.:)
You said 1st October and I said December. :D

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Your right about the boundary Tea....There's a photo in one of the Accy, Ossy, Church books with the boundary line drawn onto the photo, and it goes through the lodge!

I wonder if they'll move it??

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It's possibly worse than that, Darby............some weeks ago the Observer reported that HBC were looking at redrawing the boundaries of the Church/Accy border for the purposes of council elections, so that everything on the Eastern part of Henry street moves into Accy. This is what we pay these clowns to do. Anyway, it was a proposal then so we'll just have to see what further becomes of it.

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Politicians (albeit local amateurs) know no boundries! and will disect Church given half a chance. The Gods first make crazy those who they would destroy - Local councillors come to mind! :engsmil: :engsmil:

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What if you don't want to live in Accy? - do you have to move house?

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Hi, which new estate are you referring to here?? is it the one which is being built next to the church traffic lights? as far as i know it is going to be part of accrington and NOT church !!!

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Yes, that's the one, the entrance on the Blackburn Rd side is in Church.

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Theres also an entrance were Rist wires used to be, this is in Accy, which is the main entrance?

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I don't know which one will be the main entrance, or if some of the houses will be in church and some in accy. Who knows what HBC will decide.

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They'll probably stick 'em in Ossy, just to be awkward. The problem is the land area is roughly split equally between Church/Accy/Ossy. I suspect the main entrance will be from Blackburn Road (hence the roundabout). Obviously, if HBC succeed in redrawing the boundary map and shifting everything east of Henry Street, then the estate automatically goes into Accy...a flagship estate for their "Project Erection" or whatever it's called.

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i did not know that their was going to be two entrances. i thought their was going to be just the one, because the housing development on rist wires old site is a different development to the one which is building the houses just off blackburn road if you did not know or i might be wrong but i dont think i am..... and i think it will be called accrington not church or ossy

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IMY, if they are seperate they are both called spinners way or is it walk! too early in the morning!

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They are not separate estates but the same estate with 2 entrances.

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Why should it be called in Accy if it's actually in Church, either fully or in part. Why have boundaries if they are going to be ignored. I feel that Tea may have hit the nail on the head, when he implied that "Project Erection" (sounds nasty), may be the political "need" to call it in Accy!

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hi again, lettie i am sure that their only going to be one entrance and that the housing develpment on the old rist wires site is called spinners walk and the one in church is called spinners court !!! i do think that the development which is being build just off blackburn road should be addressed as CHURCH but i doubt it will as darby has just stated that their may be a need for it to be called part of accrington...

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Imy, this estate connects at both ends (I asked the builders) therefore it is one estate (similar to the one off Burnley Rd in Clayton, it has 2 entrances 2 names but there is a road connecting it and you can't tell where one estate meets the other) They do this a lot with these new estates and they move people in before displaying any street names. It makes my job hell trying to find addresses, especially in an emergency.

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Evening, ok it must be my mistake, i only said that as i did ask the area development manager who is running the development off blackburn rd and she told me that they are two totally different companies and that they do have nothing to do one another, as as well that they may building similar housing developments but are not connected as their types of houses are different and their prices for similar house are different, so i dont know which builders you did ask but it may be that the site on rist wires may have two entrances but am sure that the one off blackburn rd has only entrance and open exit which is the same. but if i am wrong please do tell me..

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The 2 estates off Burnley Road Clayton are Barratt and Persimmon, both different companies, but when were completed, they connected them with a road with half Barratt and half Persimmon homes. This is where it gets confusing, as when we are looking for an address, sometimes even the home owner does not know which estate he/she belongs to. The builder I spoke to reckoned that when all the new homes are up and running, it will be a similar thing, and the estates will become merged and will appear to be one big one. I was only talking to him, as I happened to be in the area, and stuck at temporary lights. Whether this will actually happen or not is anybody's guess. I reckon it will, as these building companies will build right up to the borders of their land in order to squeeze as many houses as possible into the space. As the two estates would be in close proximity, a road would join them, in order to provide easier access for the residents, emergency services etc (as in Clayton) That's my theory.

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Interesting, i know what you are trying to say that the two companies are different development companies may join up in the end to make it easy for access and other reasons, having had a chat with the development manager they did not give any type of indication that their will be anothter entrance with the other company. I guess we will just have to wait and see what comes of it all, but my bet is that they will not join the two together, but you just dont know these days do you.......

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Aye that's true, we'll have to wait and see. The companies will do whatever earns them the most money.

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True true end of the day it is a business. but am sure am right though ;)

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Hi, i thought that this website address may help a little and tell you the actual plans for the new development site which is being build just off blackburn rd. As i did state their will only be one entrance and exit into this development, hope this will resolve the debate as to whether it be join up with the other new estate on rist wires. it does quite good on the plans in terms of how they have spread all the different types of houses all over the site and not just in one place.... any way have a good day

http://www.haslam-homes.co.uk/Haslam...2F50FE968296AD

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I've just had a look at one of the houses, 'The Normanby'. They look horrible! like terraced houses cut into slices. Couldn't HBC get on our side for a change and lay down some minimum standards for new builds?

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Are you sure this is not Hyndburn Borough Council's latest Tourist Initiative....

Imperial War Museum North (Manchester)
Tate North (Liverpool)
Royal Armouries North (Leeds)
Lego Land North (Church)

I've just had a quick look at some of these "Homes"...they really are appalling. It's the same tat thats springing up everywhere with no consideration whatsoever for local styles or for the use of local materials. Quite honestly, you could be anywhere in one of those things, although probably not "Canterbury", "Richmond" or "Ludlow" (If I was the good burghers of these towns I would seriously consider a civil action against this mob for bringing the fine name of their town into disrepute)

I am going to write a letter to Prince Charles as I believe he may be the only man in England who can bring a halt to this nonsense. Would anyone care to be a co-signatory?

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Yeah, go on then, Mr T, Sir. I'll join your gang as a co-conspiritor. Anything that gets Charlie Boy's mercury rising, I'm all for it! :D

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YES you will sign it sparks then run off out of the country somewere like....china maybe ??

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Cheers Guys.....I'll shortly put a draft up for additions & amendments....

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Here's my signature already, all you have to do is cut & paste.

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Evening all........... so i guess no one liked any of the plans that were on the web site then or even the names of these future homes to be built on our accrington site

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You can count on my support (and signature) "Mr T"

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Just had a quick look at the website. Why does it say Spinners Court Accrington, when the entrance is in Church? I'm not a big fan of housing estates. The houses are always built very quickly, are overpriced and have no more room inside them than your average terrace. I know too many people who have had problems with their new houses, both on Foxwood Chase when it was first built and Oakdale in Blackburn. My mate on Oakdale had loads of problems, leaking roof, dodgy electrics and the kitchen ceiling started to grow mould after 6 weeks. The housing company took ages to sort out the problems which is pretty appalling considering the house cost her well over 100 grand.

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Terraced housing was erected because it was the quickest and cheapest way to accomodate the greatest number of people in the smallest amount of space. A hundred and fifty years on, and despite the advances in almost every other part of our lives we are still being offered what is in effect the same product. And what is worse we are expected to pay through the nose for it too. It would be interesting to discover what the profit margin on these terraced slices is. I should be surprised if it is less than 50%.

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HRH The Prince of Wales
Clarence House
The Mall
London SW1



Your Royal Highness

RE: A Monstrous Carbuncle in the Ancient Township of Church


We are writing to bring your attention to probably the most obscene architectural development in the annals of British Building History, which is now happening before our very eyes, here in your beloved mother’s Duchy of Lancaster. In fact, we are sure that once you’re read this you’ll be on the phone to her to ensure that this thing, stops, pronto, otherwise messrs T.Blair & J.Prescott get a kick up the a**e.



Years ago, we had this Old Lodge in Church (There was a rumour that either your Grandma or yourself had once done a bit of midnight coarse fishing in it, so you might let us know if that’s true or not). Anyway, about 10 years ago, some idiot pulled the plug out and it’s been dry ever since. Or at least it was, until about a year ago when a large hole appeared in the wall and convoys of construction vehicles started driving in and out.



Next thing we know this buildings sprouted up…an ugly thing, totally characterless..and then another one…and before you knew it they were spreading faster than the AIDS virus. Now we’ve got an entire estate, resembling that rip-off tourist attraction down from your mum’s place in Windsor…except this is worse…this is full scale.



Anyway, do you think you could possibly pop up to Church & make one of your famous speeches.? There’s not a moment to lose…so next Saturday would be nice. Bring the boys with you, to (They like footy, so they could get in the Stanley game in the afternoon and then meet up with some of our famous local totty in the evening)



You’ll get full Press coverage..the Telegraph, Observer…maybe even our famous local photographer, Mr Kipax.



We’ll see you there,



Yours in the Good Fight,



Accy Web (Church Contingent)


THERE WE GO EVERYBODY....LETS HAVE SOME IDEAS ON THIS...FEEL FREE TO CUT AND PASTE

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i dare you to post it!

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That's telling him Mr. T..........I'm not sure the boys would get a game with the Stanley...however, after Saturdays score they might use them both as keepers?

I'll look forward to the published edition and the response in the Daily Telegraph!! or Court Notices!!

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here are a few pics for you
Also while i was taking them a lady came up to me and was telling me that the big wall that was all the way around the estate woulld be pulled down to make way for a cycle track .???
anyone heard about this one !!
as the people on the other side in Allytroyeds are all up in armes and are going to get the Observer involved if they can

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and one or two more

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Thanks Mick...good photos and good work. At least I can get sopme perspective of the place.

Next they'll be building show houses on "old Bobs", dangerous though as the undersoil is all heavy clay!

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You are probably right there Darby, the Borough Plan identifies the feilds behind Elmfield Hall as surplus to requirement, for the number of people in the borough. Which is why the new nursery school was given permission to build there. Milnshaw Park will be the next to go because it will cost too much to bring it up to standard after 30 years of neglect.

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My god...is nothing sacred!!! :engsmil:

Talk about modern art and progress, and saving areas of heritage. They'll be building slums next!!!

These planners are only interested in their own jobs and selling everything for profit!!

I'm just glad that my house is in the mountains and miles from any town (nearest is 15 miles), and apart from a couple of neighbours and 2 pubs (I'm not daft ye know), there's nothing but meadows, wild deer, forest, and rivers. And its in a National Park..so no building!! But you poor bu**ers have to live with a nightmare for a council.....you have my sympathy :( :(

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K S H
You should know better than to dare Tealeaf to send it becouse if he wont then i WILL send it !!!! hehe

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Sorry Mick, but isn't there something about propreity rights or copyright or something similar. Anyway I dare you!

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i will send it when tealeaf says its ok to and everyone has put there name to it hehe
by the way i have already printed it out and addressed the enverlope so all i need is tealeaf to say its ok to send and everyone to sign it

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Has anyone seen any signs of life on that estate yet? Remember the bets earlier on this year? I wonder if we'll be getting any Kosovan asylum seekers in there?

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>>I wonder if we'll be getting any Kosovan asylum seekers in there?<<


No mate, the council is putting them all up at the Dunkenhalgh.

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You mean they haven't complained about the conditions there yet?

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Not yet, but they are not too happy about the travellers caravans parked all the way up the drive.

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I've somehow missed most of this thread, a lot was posted whilst I was on holiday and the rest just managed to escape me.

I've noticed that the site is referred to as Greenfield Meadows which is interesting considering it was a lodge. Pity they didn't think to keep that name instead of going for Spinners Court.

Anybody know the origins of the name Greenfield Meadows?

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Where is the reference Willow?

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http://www.haslam-homes.co.uk/Haslam...2F50FE968296AD

Bottom right hand corner of the above page.

It says: This site plan is only a guide to the development planned at Greenfield Meadows.

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Hmm, I wouldn't pay too much attention to that, Willow. It is merely marketing drivel. They will use any association to peddle their products. Canturbury and Ludlow are percieved as nice places to live, thus it follows that if they call their shoddy buildings after these places then people will automatically equate the qualities of living in either of these two places with the slice of terraced house they are being asked to fork out £140,000 for.

The area in question has, for centuries, been known as Alleytroyds (sometimes spelt Alleytroids) and the adjacent land to the east as Lower Antley after Lower Antley Hall. There is no historical association with any thing called Greenfield Meadows.

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Yes well I know the name Alleytroyds and in fact the houses which were newly built before this development to replace those demolished at the bottom of Market St are known by that name. I just wondered where the Greenfield Meadows name came from and why on earth if they've already got that name have they called this new development "Spinners Court".

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Those estates are separate. One is Spinners Walk, the other Spinners Court.
They do not even meet.

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So there isn't confusion the streets within Spinners Walk and Spinners Court do have names so there won't be an issue with local services i.e. fire, ambulance, getting confused.

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errrrrrrrrrrrrr yes gail there is as we dont seem to get info on new sites until we have to go to them.

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Well that's a failure in communication, it's not a confusion about the actual street names.

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After all the sniping, I hope this isn't where A-b moved to recently.:eek: