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Accy Old Photo's - John Kelly's Album
I was recently priviledged to view a marvellous collection of old photo's from Mr. John Kelly, local fire fighter (retired), and he has kindly given his permission for me to put a selection on the Accy web.
There are so many that I am going to "drip-feed" them on this thread and invite comments as we go. To start with, these maps show Accrington in 1849 http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...hotos/map3.jpg http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...hotos/map1.jpg http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...s/map21849.jpg There is a current thread concerning the Railway station and how it is going to look, this is how it did look! http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...tos/train1.jpg http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...wayStation.jpg http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...tos/train2.jpg ...........and finally (for now) can anybody remember the "British Restaurant"? http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...restaurant.jpg http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...aurant1942.jpg |
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In the basement of Accrington Town Hall is a "museum" which saddens me that it is NO LONGER open to the public. Up and till a few years ago, this museum was open to members of the public on the Heritage Open days. Dont think the Council class the basement as being safe any more for people to go into. Great pity! Included were many items which related to the war years, an old Accrington bus ticket machine plus many more items of local interest. Amongst this "memorabilia" are some large mugs which came from The British Restaurant on Paradise Street which Busman747 mentions. (I have one myself). I would love to see this place opened again, but .... probably cost comes into it to make it safe.
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Very interesting.
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Are the exhibits survivors from the old museum, that weren't thrown on the dump? http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...tip-51518.html |
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The photos of the station bring back lots of memories, looking forward to more
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That's a nice piccy of 'The Flying Scotsman' coming through Accy...I wonder what year?
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Map no 1 of Accrington 1849 is a copy of the one I drew some 20 years ago, I still have the original.
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Attached is a map of Accrington in 1784. I drew this not long after the 1st one, from information supplied by Brian Ashton the former head of Accrington Library. The red line denotes the boundry between the Old Hold of Accrington & the New Hold of Accrington.
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I notice the River Hyndburn was Accrington Brook then, so where did 'Hyndburn' come from? |
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It was known as the Hyndburn way back in the 1100's, was possibly named as such pre Norman times, for they used all the names that were currently in use when they parcelled out the land of what is now Lancashire, amongst William the 1st's cronies. I think you will find I've already posted some of the old land deeds in other threads Retlaw. |
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This next section should be of great interest to Accyweb members, it's PUBS:rolleyes:
Who has had (or remembered) a good night out in: The Brigade Inn The Horseshoe The Bridge Inn Slaters Arms Australian Inn or the Malbrough Working Mens Club?? (I wonder if that should not be Marlbough W.M,Club?) http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...eHorseshoe.jpg Trying to work out what van that is above, could it be the Ford Squire? the forerunner to the Popular and Prefect? http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...GrangeLane.jpg http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ofBroadway.jpg http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...tralianInn.jpg http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...sStonright.jpg http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ghclub1928.jpg |
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Good to see, I do enjoy old photo's of places regardless of where ever it may be.
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Did the working men have to share their club with cows, or was it what we now call a 'barn conversion'? The Slaters Arms looks like it was boarded up, if the pubs in Accrington are closing as fast as they are round here these photos will soon be all we have to remember them by.
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Great seeing the old photos many thanks.
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Saw John in the library on Friday, asked him out of curiosity if he knew where Bond Court was, he could'nt remember, yet when he was a lad he lived not far from it. Retlaw. |
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Brilliant thread, many thanks for sharing
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I am sure the article on The British Restaurant was written by one of the lasses from the Local History Department of Accrington Library.
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Like the photo of the Bridge, but tey are all good
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I'm sure that the next couple of photo's will be of interest to the Accrington Stanley forum. Here is a comment from Everton.....:D
Quoted from a forum on the history of Everton FC "They then welcomed a team from Accrington called Bells Temperance to Anfield, on arrival the visitors found they faced a weakened Everton side, only three first team regulars were in the side, and ran out 3-2 winners before a crowd of 1,500. " http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...eranceteam.jpg Just as a little piece of history..............Temperance was a mass movement in the nineteenth century against excessive drinking. In1832 Joseph Livesey started the Temperance Movement in Preston, Lancashire requiring followers to sign a pledge of total abstinence. Livesey opened the first temperance hotel in 1833 and in 1835 The British Temperance Association was founded. An offshoot was the Band of Hope founded in 1847 in Leeds, Yorkshire to save children from the perils of drink, again members had to pledge to abstain from all intoxicating liquor. Various churches promoted the cause and in 1884 the National Temperance Federation supported by the Liberal Party was founded. Maine Road, Manchester (the former home of City) was re-named, from Dog Kennel Lane, by members of the Temperance Movement in honour of the state of Maine, U.S.A. that had passed a law in 1853 prohibiting alcohol sales. Within two years another twelve states had gone “dry”. The Temperance Movement bought many public houses just to let their alcohol licence lapse and renamed them Temperance Hotels. Fitzpatrick’s in Rawtenstall, Lancashire is the last remaining temperance bar in the U.K. and still provides non alcoholic refreshments with the labels of their bottles bearing one of the last temperance pledges to be signed in the area. Here is Accrington Stanley in 1890 :) http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...llteam1890.jpg |
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What is interesting is the players from the 'Bells' team who pop up in the Accy team...Pemberton, Entwistle and Tattersall who is secretary for both teams. I wonder if it was any one of those pictured in the Accy team who was responsible for the first ever penalty awarded in football - anywhere, ever - the following year in a game against Wolves? |
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...Oh, I forgot to add. Look at the shinpads on the lads in the Accy FC piccy. They're more like cricket pads. Of course, in those days they played with a proper football and did proper tackling wearing real boots, unlike our modern day players who wear ballet slippers, kick a beach ball about and practice their thespian talents at falling over whenever any oppostion player comes within ten feet of them.
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There are just two photo's in Johns album which are directly war related, the first one is the staff of the Barrage Balloon Command who had headquarters at Oak Street School................. http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...os/barrage.jpg
.........and the anti-aircraft gun from 1940 according to the hand-written date on the side, I have no idea whereabouts in Accy it was situated.http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...hotos/1940.jpg |
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Everybody that comes to Accrington cannot help but notice the magnificent viaduct that spans the town centre. Here are 6 photos that show the houses and road network as they used to be around the viaduct......
Milnshaw Rd. http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ilnshorerd.jpg Eastgate http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...s/Eastgate.jpg Aeriel view http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...hotos/accy.jpg The centre of viaducthttp://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...cyviaduct1.jpg View of viaduct http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...os/Accy001.jpg From Blackburn Rd. http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...20Photos/8.jpg |
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And finally (for today) this is probably my favourite photo in the album, party because of the clothes worn and also the products sold. FISH, FRUIT and RABBITS :D
This is 16A Washington Street.......... http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...gtonStAccy.jpg |
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Cracking photo's, keep em coming.
Do you have a date for the Eastgate photo? Can you imagine the uproar if they sold meat like that today :-) |
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No problem, I "think" the terraced row in that photo is Milton St, am I correct?
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No, just had it from the horses mouth (she'll kill me for that) It IS Milnshaw Lane! |
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Going back to the viaduct photo's I missed one out, Whalley Rd.......
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Nah, Milnshaw lane is on the other side of Viaduct, if you look at the "the centre of viaduct picture" look under the 3rd arch (from left) and Milnshaw lane is just showing, bending off to the right, goes up past where Aldi is now.
On the Eastgate photo it is written on the photo "Castle street" and thats the Castle pub at the left of the junction PS - I'm on about the terrace in the middle of the pic, the lower one is on the roundabout - was that called Milnshaw lane then??? |
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Bells Field was in what became Belfield Rd, just a bit higher up than where St Mary's school used to be on the right. Retlaw. |
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Last occupied by Brougton's before they moved to the old mill at the top of Church St. The barrage balloon was on the sight of what is now the Arndale Center, the balloon was struck by lightning twice during the war, it never caught any jerry planes. Retlaw. |
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.........and the anti-aircraft gun from 1940 according to the hand-written date on the side, I have no idea whereabouts in Accy it was situated.http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...hotos/1940.jpg[/quote] That young lad on the right looks very much like me. Must have been late 1940's, don't remember it ever being fired, think they moved it some where else. Use to watch the jerry planes come over, and see the search lights and ack ack fire from Salford way, was always getting pasted for hanging out of the bedroom window watching, when I should have been hard and fast asleep. Retlaw. |
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Must have been late 1940's, don't remember it ever being fired, think they moved it some where else. Use to watch the jerry planes come over, and see the search lights and ack ack fire from Salford way, was always getting pasted for hanging out of the bedroom window watching, when I should have been hard and fast asleep. Retlaw.[/quote] Is that not Hitchens wholesalers in the background which used to be on Hyndburn Road Walter |
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Yes it was Hitchens, and where the AA gun is, some where near bottom of Fort St, on what used to be Ellison's Tenement. The same place where the Accriungton Pals used to train in 1914, you get the same background in some of their pictures. Retlaw. |
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The sign was still there for some time after that part of East Gate opened, it ws high up on the end wall of the Castle pub. Retlaw |
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I grew up in Crawshaw Street..next door to the Horse Shoe Pub.... Thanks for the fantastic pictures :) |
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Or does it? my Grandparents moved out because they were demolishing the area and I only know it as Milton St :confused: |
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can see the Ambulance Drill Hall also back of the Methodist Church in Union Street...where the tree is used to be the graveyard.......the picture will be taken after 1963..I left for 'The South' that year...and pretty sure the houses still stood in Crawshaw St then. GREAT PICTURES, many thanks:) |
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The same place where the Accriungton Pals used to train in 1914, you get the same background in some of their pictures. Retlaw.[/quote] I can remember when I was young my cousin lived on Park Road Walter, there was a piece of land of Countess Street called the Wreck or might have been the Red Wreck, looks like the gun maybe situated in or about that area |
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Sorry John, but you wouldn't get the old mill in the background from that angle, its definitely on Ellisons Tenement, besides I never went to that end of Accrington until I was much older, about 14 when I started to attend Hyndburn Park night school. Retlaw. |
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I've put some names on the picture, to provide some sort of orientation.
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Retlaw.[/QUOTE] it is Ellisons Tenement, sometimes I used to walk across it on my way to school (Hyndburn Park 1950's)..cut through a small passage and then The Hippodrome would be there.. That is Hitchen's on Hyndburn Road in the background..close to it there was a graveyard where the sheep went before going into the slaughter house..It was great when Ellisons Tenement was a Fairground....with the black pea stall .. |
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That grave yard was the old Macpelah, they originally came from Clayton, back in the 1700's, it was some times referred to as Gods Little Acre, in what was then Allom Lane (Hyndburn Rd), the congregation built a new church on the west side of the viaduct in Blackburn Rd, they later moved to a new church in Cannon St, that has now closed and the congregation moved to Christ Church, which is now referred to as Trinity. Retlaw |
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Time for a few more, this set are to do with CROWDS
Firstly, the dignitaries opening Broadway. The ceremony was held on the corner of Cobden St. which no longer exists. Does anyone know the date? :) http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...wayopening.jpg The next photo is of Coronation day 22/6/1911 in Abbey St. (George V) http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ationday-1.jpg No idea when or why on this one, but have you ever seen Accrington so packed?:D http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...reeverbeen.jpg A carnival passing through Queens Rd in 1920...... http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...eensRd1920.jpg July 1959 A pot fair on Broadway http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...os/potfair.jpg Who remembers the sunken gardens in 1958? http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ardens1958.jpg A military funeral in 1915........ http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...os/Funeral.jpg Finally (for now), anyone have any ideas about this photo?? http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...os/unknown.jpg |
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I remember it as the fish market too
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Enjoyable thread , looking forward to more . Just on a 'cultural' note looking at the 1912 military funeral I'm surprised how many of the chaps watching the cortage pass still have their caps on , thought it was tradition/habit in those days to doff your hat when a coffin passed by .
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Can members please stop copying/quoting the photos just to put a small post under them as this is taking a lot of server space up thanks
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Might take a lot of page space up but as far as server space goes, the image is only stored once on the server :)
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there are issues at the moment with the server so any saving would be good
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PS - there also uploaded to photobucket :)
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Looking at the photo of he Pot Fair, there are a number of faces that are ringing bells with me, but I can't put names to them
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No idea when or why on this one, but have you ever seen Accrington so packed?:D
That picture of the crowd in front of the Market Hll was taken August 1st 1915, when the Accrington Pals marched into Accrington on a recruiting drive, if you look closely you will see A & B coys across the end af little Blackburn Rd and into Peel St. Note they are wearing khaki uniform and carrying rifles. Some sh*t head has put a the same picture on the display in the Market hall but labeled it February 23rd 1915 when the Pals left for Caernarvon. When the Pals left Accrington in February they wore blue melton uniforms and only had a few old Long Lee Enfield Rifles. Retlaw |
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Re. the opening of Broadway, Bob Dobson, in one of his books, puts it at 1936 .. no exact day though.
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Everyone looks so well dressed. No such thing as trackies and trainers then. Light coloured caps, cotton dresses and net underskirts, little cardies and pearls. Grace Kelly would have blended right in, in the Accrington of 1959. |
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For those that wonder what model bus it is:A Critchley and Norris with Crossley 40 hp engine and Knape bodywork operated by the Burnley Motor Pleasure Company from 1906 (Interesting that the date on the photo is 1905??)
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High Riley? Cottages in Sandy Lane, 1625, Do they still exist?
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High Riley Cottages still exist? Course they do. Know its not mega important, but that date of 1625 just doesnt sound correct. Am sure its 1628.
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Trying to work out what van that is above, could it be the Ford Squire? the forerunner to the Popular and Prefect? is it a Hillman Husky ? .I used to live and grew up in the house right next door to the Horseshoe pub in the 50's |
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Looking at the rear windows and wheel arch I think it's a Hillman Estate Car, one of several vehicles sold by Rootes that were based on the Minx saloon in the 50s.
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Don't accept lifts off strangers!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Various views from Blackburn Rd/Peel St........
I am very curious about this one, I assume the stand is for the Mayor etc? and what is in front of it? looks like an optical illusion, surely can't be a trench of some kind? http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...Photos/jpg.jpg http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...20Photos/7.jpg http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...0Photos/19.jpg http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ackburnrd2.jpg http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...lackburnrd.jpg http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ickTerrace.jpg |
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another great set of pictures...many thanks for posting them...I love them all
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Was the stand in the first picture of your new entry not built for George V's visit on July 9th, 1913 ?
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Ah yes, 'tis an optical illusion .. is a raised platform.
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I haven't been on the site for a few weeks. The last hour or so is the best I've had for ages. (I've been down so long it feels like up to me.) There are several that I would like to comment on but haven't time to look again. I do remember that I wanted to tell that 'The Rec' was at the bottom of Lister Street and Park Rd, behind Hyndburn Park School. It was used as a football & cricket pitch by lads from the Grammar School. It's name was short for 'recreation'.
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As a bit of an outsider (only been in lancashire since 1967) can you tell me where the Slaters Arms were. Ok I mean the pub before any wag says "hanging from his shoulders".
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One interesting point in looking at these old piccys of the late Victorian/Edwardian era is to see the number of men who are wearing the 'boater' hat. As a fashion statement for young men, this was the equivalent of today's ubiquitous baseball cap.So I wonder just how many of those we see in those old pictures are the great and great,great grandfathers of the silly capped scumbags we see on a daily basis so disfiguring the town today?
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I asked this question a few pages back, Gremlin, with no response. Our historians on here will know the answer. Ironic though, that the name does not reflect the name of the pub ...see the roof .. lots of slates missing there ... :) |
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From the look of it, it was boarded up, windows missing and slates being removed. Retlaw. |
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Bank Street as far as i know. some great pics cheers very much Busman.
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