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magily 04-03-2009 20:05

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I have been following the story of Jade Goody I have to say that I find her very brave and very inspirational. Living in Canada I have to say that I did not see her in Big Brother nor her subsequent time in the media since. I only started being aware of her one her cancer was diagnosed and of course published in great detail in the media.
I see today that Max Clifford is saying that when she says enough then no more pictures will be taken of her. I could accept her doing what she could as far as securing money for her children by selling her wedding rights but now I feel that we have seen enough. I think that she should retreat from the public eye and die with dignity and grace.
My Mum tells me that she has become quite a hero, I think that she has done a lot for cervical cancer awareness but I am not sure we need to know every step of her ordeal. Thoughts ....?

steeljack 04-03-2009 20:16

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Yep , its been getting a bit of TV coverage here in California , most of it bad, since no-one knows who she is , and not much else going on in the News . I'm surprised she hasn't appeared on childrens television with the crippled woman (see other thread) :eek: :eek:

turkishdelight 04-03-2009 20:18

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Originally Posted by magily (Post 688879)
I have been following the story of Jade Goody I have to say that I find her very brave and very inspirational. Living in Canada I have to say that I did not see her in Big Brother nor her subsequent time in the media since. I only started being aware of her one her cancer was diagnosed and of course published in great detail in the media.
I see today that Max Clifford is saying that when she says enough then no more pictures will be taken of her. I could accept her doing what she could as far as securing money for her children by selling her wedding rights but now I feel that we have seen enough. I think that she should retreat from the public eye and die with dignity and grace.
My Mum tells me that she has become quite a hero, I think that she has done a lot for cervical cancer awareness but I am not sure we need to know every step of her ordeal. Thoughts ....?

Its dificult one to answer, i have been following this story its very sad, I feel if she wishes for whatever reason to continue with the pictures i guess its her choice in her last days and i respect her wishes be it right or wrong.

emzy 04-03-2009 20:21

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I have the greatest respect for her and admire her bravery, but do think that it is too much now. Agree that it is possible she is doing what she can to provide for her family after she has passed away but think now is the time to move away from the public eye and spend what little precious time she has left with her family.

BERNADETTE 04-03-2009 20:26

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I have learnt so much about Jade these past few weeks all good may I add. I respect and admire her for bringing this to the public eye. For far to long cancer has been a word that a lot of people shy away from. I just wish her and her family all the very best.

shakermaker 04-03-2009 20:27

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I can't help thinking to myself: "Hurry up and kick the bucket woman, have some dignity for goodness sake".
You don't have to say it. I know I'm the evil spawn of satan for thinking such a thing.
It just seems to me that she is making a mockery of all the people that suffer from this indiscriminate, horrid disease. To me she's making it seem like she's the only one to ever be diagnosed with cancer.
Last week we heard of the great man Sir Bobby Robson beating cancer for the fifth time. We saw the sad demise of Wendy Richard. Neither of those people plastered themselves all over tabloids and crap magazines. They were doing what was right for their family. They acted with integrity.
Jade Goody is still a talentless idiot, who has made a living of being so. Please stop buying the media that propones her disgusting behaviour!

Well I've been thinking it so there's no point keeping it bottled up. I'm going to hell anyway - God hears everything :eek:

All the best to her young family, who frankly deserve better.

Margaret Pilkington 04-03-2009 20:47

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I have never really liked Jade(from what i have seen of her on TV)......but she doesn't deserve this fate. I wish she would retreat from the public eye....and not because I don't wish to see her public suffering(I have seen many brave women die from this disease) but I feel that it cannot be good for the mental health of her family...or for her either.
My cynical side says that it is being done for the wrong reasons....money! She has already secured the future for he children, so why would she want more.

Polly_45 04-03-2009 20:47

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 688889)
I can't help thinking to myself: "Hurry up and kick the bucket woman, have some dignity for goodness sake".
You don't have to say it. I know I'm the evil spawn of satan for thinking such a thing.
It just seems to me that she is making a mockery of all the people that suffer from this indiscriminate, horrid disease. To me she's making it seem like she's the only one to ever be diagnosed with cancer.
Last week we heard of the great man Sir Bobby Robson beating cancer for the fifth time. We saw the sad demise of Wendy Richard. Neither of those people plastered themselves all over tabloids and crap magazines. They were doing what was right for their family. They acted with integrity.
Jade Goody is still a talentless idiot, who has made a living of being so. Please stop buying the media that propones her disgusting behaviour!

Well I've been thinking it so there's no point keeping it bottled up. I'm going to hell anyway - God hears everything :eek:

All the best to her young family, who frankly deserve better.

I applaud you :D
I am sick of hearing about jade goody,yes im sorry she is going through this but so are thousands other young woman who havent max clifford on their side,It sickens me also to think that her hubby who only yesterday was found guilty of yet another assault charge gets his tag taken off him for the night so he can be with her.pity on sunday he chose to watch the footie rather be with his wife who apparently was in severe pain.

West Ender 04-03-2009 20:50

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Jade is a girl of limited intellect who made her name as a Big Brother inmate, contestant, whatever you'd call it. She has been in the spotlight ever since and it's brought her a lot of fame (or infamy) and a fair bit of money.

Most of that time she's been "handled" by Max Clifford who treats her as a commodity. Ever since she discovered she had cancer Clifford has milked the situation and he will continue to do so as long as he can, probably long after she's dead, because she makes money for him.

Jade is too used to being a media "star" to stop now. I think it's a desperately sad affair, she's only 27 after all, and I wish they would leave the poor girl alone to die in peace. Sadly they won't and, even sadder, she doesn't want them to.

flashy 04-03-2009 20:52

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shaker i agree and disagree (womans perogative (sp?) and all that)

she has opened a lot of peoples eyes to her suffering and has made a lot of women more aware of the type of cancer that she has...which can do nothing but good, anything that makes people more aware of an illness is all good in my eyes

but then again...

now is the time she should be spending with her children instead of bothering about the media, she has made herself heard and that should be the end of it

Margaret Pilkington 04-03-2009 20:54

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Polly, you are right about the many people who are currently living with cancer...without the financial accumen of Max Clifford......Jade has made folk talk about cancer, and some of the issues related to it, and that can't be a bad thing....the other thing is she has made some dozy women wake up and get their smear tests done.....and she may have saved their lives.

Lilly 04-03-2009 21:10

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Originally Posted by magily (Post 688879)
I have been following the story of Jade Goody I have to say that I find her very brave and very inspirational. Living in Canada I have to say that I did not see her in Big Brother nor her subsequent time in the media since. I only started being aware of her one her cancer was diagnosed and of course published in great detail in the media.
I see today that Max Clifford is saying that when she says enough then no more pictures will be taken of her. I could accept her doing what she could as far as securing money for her children by selling her wedding rights but now I feel that we have seen enough. I think that she should retreat from the public eye and die with dignity and grace.
My Mum tells me that she has become quite a hero, I think that she has done a lot for cervical cancer awareness but I am not sure we need to know every step of her ordeal. Thoughts ....?

I think whether Jade gets married, christened, makes a documentary, gives interviews or not is her own choice. If it's what she wants to do then what's it to us? :confused:

I suppose some might see it as voyeurism as she deteriorates before our eyes but it's like anything else, if it upsets you or you don't approve then don't buy the magazine, don't read the interview in the paper and don't watch the documentary.

Margaret Pilkington 04-03-2009 21:16

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It is actually quite hard to avoid the story. I don't buy any of the magazines that she is signed up to.......I am not a fan of TV either, but she is in most of the newspapers....and frequently on the news pages of the internet browser that I use.

I am not upset by it per se but i do find it a bit tacky.

Caz 04-03-2009 21:18

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She has made more people aware of going for smear tests, I grant you that. It just seems sad that it has to be the case where a reality TV star has to do that.

It is very sad what is happening to her, but as has been said, so many others are dealing with this with very little help and no financial assistance.

But having lived most of her adult life in the public eye, that is what she is used to. I just wish she would back off now and spend time with her children. I don't watch the Living channel, so I am not subject to that. But so much coverage on the news is annoying when there are so many other important issues, and at times this has taken top billing.

She says she is providing for her children's future. Their father Jeff Brazier will have custody of them I am sure, and when her estate is sold there will be more than enough in the pot I should think.

God forbid Jack Tweed gets to play any role in their lives after her death. I can't help feeling that he will be making money out of her once she has passed away. He doesn't seem to show much emotion, and at times his body language is telling.

I have disliked and liked this girl at certain times over the years, and respect her decision to do what she thinks is right. I just hope the kids come out of this OK, and they have been prepared iin some way for what is coming.

flashy 04-03-2009 21:21

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Jeff IS getting soul(sp?) custody of the kids, it was on the news last week

Caz 04-03-2009 21:23

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Didn't really doubt it, which is the reason I don't understand the "Providing for the children" bit, as though their father is non existant.

flashy 04-03-2009 21:30

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i suppose everyone wants to make sure that their kids will be set for life and well cared for when they are gone

cashman 04-03-2009 21:32

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its very hard to avoid lilly, i certainly have no wish to have this horrible girls woes rammed down me throat, to my mind shes played the "sympathy" vote to perfection, n many who detested her, now think she's a martyr, well not this kid. many big stars have gone with cancer with dignity, max clifford should teach her what the word means.

Caz 04-03-2009 21:34

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Originally Posted by flashy (Post 688929)
i suppose everyone wants to make sure that their kids will be set for life and well cared for when they are gone

Maybe so, but to what extent? The memory of the last months of their mother's life with them will be of being trailed everywhere by cameras and documentary teams.

flashy 04-03-2009 21:39

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yeah i know what you mean Caz, like i said, she should be spending her last few days/months with her family

Royboy39 04-03-2009 21:45

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Originally Posted by flashy (Post 688929)
i suppose everyone wants to make sure that their kids will be set for life and well cared for when they are gone

Flashy you are absolutly spot on, the Girl has not long to live and I dont give a toss about the nerd who is her husband.
Max Clifford who has been appointed as her agent should and by all accounts is doing all he can to secure the future of her children...I fail to see anything wrong in that.?

magily 04-03-2009 22:03

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With regards to providing for her children I can totally understand that. I seem to remember hearing that for her it is important that her kids continued to be taught at a private school. She does not deny that she is not very intellectual so therefore she wants her kids to have the best education that money can buy. The smart thing she did was make sure that the money is going to the kids and not Jack Tweed because I cannot help but feel that he does not have the best of intentions.
Let's be honest though even with their father they should be okay financially, no doubt he is being paid ok from the x factor tour.

cashman 04-03-2009 22:15

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its only my assumption, but i reckon between her n the kids father, those kids should have plenty of oppertunity to do well in life, as anyone considered how all this who-ha could possibly effect em, they are only kids after all.

garinda 04-03-2009 23:41

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Is it voyeuristic?

Yes it is.

That's her career, being watched.

If her short and sad life had been a script it would have been rejected, for lack of realism.

Born poor of mixed race parents.
By passed by the education system.
Abandoned by her father, and dragged up by a mother who becomes a lesbian drug addict, and subsequenty loses an arm in a motorbike accident.
Came to public attention on a television programme, where she was watched twenty four hours a day for two months.
Loathed as crass, and woefully naive.
Taken under a nations wing, who know decide they like the unworldly ingenue.
Achieves great success, with no other talent than being herself.
Becomes a multi-millionairess.
Guests on a celebrity version of the programme that first launched her to stardom.
Displays brutal bullying and arrogance, and is accused of racism, which raises questions in the House of Commons.
Effigies of her are burnt on the Indian sub-continent.
Dropped by the media, and faces financial ruin, as merchandising deals are pulled.
Makes a journey of penance to India, home of her accused victim.
Fades somewhat from the public gaze.
Sometime later is asked to appear on the Indian version of the aforementioned programme.
Is told live on the programme the results of a health check, and that she has cancer.
Finds out the cancer is terminal.
Weds her boyfriend, exclusively and lucratively sponsored to ensure she leaves a legacy for her two sons from a previous relationship.
Lives out her last days in the glare of the media's gaze.
The end.

I've no problem with her wanting to appear on television and in the media whilst she dies, in the hope of securing the financial future of her children. I've not seen any of the coverage, as I don't buy the papers and magazines she's in. It is sad that someone so young is dying, but so are hundreds of other young parents at this very moment, and who don't have the luxury of being able to sell the experience, and leave their loved ones a nest egg.

It will have helped raise awarenes of this terrible and indiscriminate disease, but the whole story is more telling of the media obsessed cult of celebrity we now live in.

As a media exercise in learning more about living with and dying from cancer, I found reading Justine Picardie's account in the Observer much more enlightening, and moving.

garinda 04-03-2009 23:54

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Although she'll be able to leave money to provide for her children financially, I wonder what lessons she'll have taught, and also provided them with, as a result of being famous for no particular reason.

On the whole her career has been fairly unique, ceratainly in the light of other reality programme contestants, who've long since disappeared from public view, and haven't succeeded in making a career out of doing very little work, other than being themselves.

magily 04-03-2009 23:58

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Garinda what an excellent summary of her life. I read an article last week in the dailymail online talking about what kind of culture is it that highlights someone who is as uneducated as Jade yet they ridicule the girl who helped the team win university challenge. Apparently she had a lot of negative things said about her. I do not buy any of these magazines but do confess to reading many different British newspapers online, some more sleazy than others as it is my little taste of home.

garinda 05-03-2009 00:06

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Originally Posted by magily (Post 688974)
Garinda what an excellent summary of her life. I read an article last week in the dailymail online talking about what kind of culture is it that highlights someone who is as uneducated as Jade yet they ridicule the girl who helped the team win university challenge. Apparently she had a lot of negative things said about her. I do not buy any of these magazines but do confess to reading many different British newspapers online, some more sleazy than others as it is my little taste of home.

I'm no hypocrite. I watch Big Brother. I find it a fascinating social experiment...plus I just love watching people.

I too loathed her babyish stupidty at first, but changed my mind, and wanted this underdog of society to win. She wasn't stupid, just let down by the system.

I thought her subsequent behaviour on the back of her fame, was appalling.

If she became a monster, it's only because we created that monster.

Mick 05-03-2009 06:48

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 688889)
I can't help thinking to myself:
It just seems to me that she is making a mockery of all the people that suffer from this indiscriminate, horrid disease. To me she's making it seem like she's the only one to ever be diagnosed with cancer.
Last week we heard of the great man Sir Bobby Robson beating cancer for the fifth time. We saw the sad demise of Wendy Richard. Neither of those people plastered themselves all over tabloids and crap magazines. They were doing what was right for their family. They acted with integrity.
Jade Goody is still a talentless idiot, who has made a living of being so. Please stop buying the media that propones her disgusting behaviour!

Well I've been thinking it so there's no point keeping it bottled up. I'm going to hell anyway - God hears everything :eek:

All the best to her young family, who frankly deserve better.

I must agree with this as i have been thinking the very same thing.
don't get me wrong i would not wish this on anyone but the way its being pushed on us in mags,tv etc you would think it was something new and she was the only one to ever get Cancer.
she might be trying to get money for the family after she has gone but why not give some of that money to research
she has had her fame she should now spend time with her family and friends
i am really getting sick of her look at me attitude sorry but that's how i feel

jaysay 05-03-2009 11:57

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Can really say that I never had much time for her myself, maybe because I have never watched Big Brother, but its been said that she's a girl with little intelligence, that maybe so, but she knows how to use the media to her own advantage, a trait that many top line stars and even politicians would love to be able to do, this lass was very savvy when it came to pushing buttons and get the bet results for herself. Sadly her short life is now coming to an end and I only have heart felt sympathy for a fellow human being. Ill health is something we have little control of, but for your life to be at an end at the age of 27 when the world was at her feet is a tragedy for not only Jade but for her children too, one can only hope that some one looks after those kids as I can't see Mr Tweed being much of a role model with his track record, even now he faces going back to jail for assault

Gayle 05-03-2009 14:57

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Is it just me or does anyone else feel like this is a bit surreal? I mean, because of the way it's been played out in the media, it almost feels like there's something else at play here, almost like there's going to be some miraculous recovery or something.

I'm sure that she wouldn't be so manipulative and if it was something a bit bizarre then there would be too many people involved to keep it under wraps - but something, somewhere feels odd about it all.

It's probably just me, feeling like that.

garinda 05-03-2009 16:35

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 689144)
Is it just me or does anyone else feel like this is a bit surreal? I mean, because of the way it's been played out in the media, it almost feels like there's something else at play here, almost like there's going to be some miraculous recovery or something.

I'm sure that she wouldn't be so manipulative and if it was something a bit bizarre then there would be too many people involved to keep it under wraps - but something, somewhere feels odd about it all.

It's probably just me, feeling like that.

No it's not just you.

The whole thing seems like a badly scripted film, though I fear it isn't.

panther 05-03-2009 18:16

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well we will all know soon enough gayle, though i must confess i have had the same feelings as you and a few people i know have said the same, but surely no one would make this into a sick joke....would they??.....

cashman 05-03-2009 18:37

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Originally Posted by panther (Post 689225)
well we will all know soon enough gayle, though i must confess i have had the same feelings as you and a few people i know have said the same, but surely no one would make this into a sick joke....would they??.....

yer not that naive surely, there trotted out at every disaster/ well known death etc, never fail.

shakermaker 05-03-2009 18:44

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So many people thought Andy Kaufman was faking his illness for a laugh. If only!

Mister Andy Kaufman's gone wrestling (wrestling bears). Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah :)

Mancie 05-03-2009 22:45

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I don't think it's voyeurism... most people can't be bothered to read or watch Jades demise... can't blame her for being in the papers everyday beacause she's not the one who decides what goes on the front page.. it's the media forcing this stuff on everyone.

cashman 05-03-2009 22:55

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ya got a fair point yon mancie. its a good week to blag the public, being the 25th anniversary.:rolleyes:

garinda 06-03-2009 00:16

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 689320)
I don't think it's voyeurism... most people can't be bothered to read or watch Jades demise... can't blame her for being in the papers everyday beacause she's not the one who decides what goes on the front page.. it's the media forcing this stuff on everyone.

Wrong.

The papers give people what they want, not the other way round.

She's currently in the pay of the News of the World, the largest selling Sunday rag, and also has an exclusive deal with OK, the largest selling weekly magazine.

People have the choice to read Punch or the Guardian, but the vast majority don't, and the ones that sell the best are the ones that get their cheque books out for Jade Goody and the rest.

Mancie 06-03-2009 00:32

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 689337)
Wrong.

The papers give people what they want, not the other way round.

She's currently in the pay of the News of the World, the largest selling Sunday rag, and also has an exclusive deal with OK, the largest selling weekly magazine.

People have the choice to read Punch or the Guardian, but the vast majority don't, and the ones that sell the best are the ones that get their cheque books out for Jade Goody and the rest.

Well.. no... if you buy a daily paper some will buy to see reports on Jade Goody but most will by to check out stuff like sports results.. the media do ram stuff down our throuts

cashman 06-03-2009 00:35

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thats true i buy certain papers cos they are the best fer certain sports.:)

garinda 06-03-2009 00:42

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 689344)
Well.. no... if you buy a daily paper some will buy to see reports on Jade Goody but most will by to check out stuff like sports results.. the media do ram stuff down our throuts

Yeah right, whatever....and blokes just buy top shelf mags for the 'motoring articles'.

You may not like it but the great British public have developed a voracious appetite for 'celebrity'. It's been proven time and time again. Same publication, same title, one with an unknown model on one cover, the other featuring Diana/Jade/Posh, celeb one out sells the other 10 to 1. Same happens with newspapers.

Besides there's not a lot of Sport, or anything else besides celeb pics, in the U.K.'s best selling weekly mags, OK, Heat and Hello.;)

Mancie 06-03-2009 00:49

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 689348)
Yeah right, whatever....and blokes just buy top shelf mags for the 'motoring articles'.

You may not like it but the great British public have developed a voracious appetite for 'celebrity'. It's been proven time and time again. Same publication, same title, one with an unknown model on one cover, the other featuring Diana/Jade/Posh, celeb one out sells the other 10 to 1. Same happens with newspapers.

Besides there's not a lot of Sport, or anything else besides celeb pics, in the U.K.'s best selling weekly mags, OK, Heat and Hello.;)

Magazines are more like an induvidual choice..they cost more and are targeted on particular items..a daily paper is cheap and reports news and results.. it's a big difference..and a daily newspaper can have a far greater influance in headlining on a daily basis... because it's so called "news".

garinda 06-03-2009 00:57

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 689350)
Magazines are more like an induvidual choice..they cost more and are targeted on particular items..a daily paper is cheap and reports news and results.. it's a big difference..and a daily newspaper can have a far greater influance in headlining on a daily basis... because it's so called "news".

If you don't think there isn't whole industry working out exactly what sells and what doesn't, you're very naive, because there is.;)

Check out the photographs on all the top selling daily 'news'papers.

Not many starving kids in Africa, or civilian war dead in Iraq.

Lots of Jade's wedding, Posh's shoes, or Fern's cellulite.;)

Mancie 06-03-2009 01:23

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 689353)
If you don't think there isn't whole industry working out exactly what sells and what doesn't, you're very naive, because there is.;)

Check out the photographs on all the top selling daily 'news'papers.

Not many starving kids in Africa, or civilian war dead in Iraq.

Lots of Jade's wedding, Posh's shoes, or Fern's cellulite.;)

Yeah maybe.. but what the eff has that got to do with me?.. naive ?. ok I don't look at top shelves.. I'm more intersted on the bottom shelves of the cans of booze in the chilled section...I can find news about Jade Goody for free on the internet if I choose.. but I not likley to get cans of lager!

Mancie 06-03-2009 01:30

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The media do not base things on supply and demand .. they supply and contort stuff that is then in demand.. the newspapers have no need for real isssues.

steeljack 06-03-2009 04:37

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wonder how long before one of Mr Murdoch's editors come up with a competition for best make-up in a coffin shot ....featuring Princess Diana, Anna Nichole Smith, and all the other D list celebs :eek: :eek:

garinda 06-03-2009 10:56

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 689359)
The media do not base things on supply and demand .. they supply and contort stuff that is then in demand.. the newspapers have no need for real isssues.

Newspapers and magazines on the whole aren't self funding, they rely heavily on advertising.

The bigger the circulation the more revenue they can raise by demanding a higher price from advertisers.

People have a choice. They could all read the dry reporting of the Spectator and the Guardian. The vast majority prefer their news in bite sized chunks inbetween the boobs, bingo, (foot)balls...and celebrity blunders.

jaysay 06-03-2009 11:13

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 689346)
thats true i buy certain papers cos they are the best fer certain sports.:)

Thats exactly what I do cashy, the best sports coverage for me, thats why I always turn to the back page first:rolleyes:

katex 06-03-2009 17:54

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Yes, it is voyeurism, and very uncomfortable at that. So was Big Brother, which I never watched and know very little about this young lady, and how she became the most hated woman in India. Thought was quite funny really, but good publicity.

No matter what, we have to look at the good outcome this will have with our young female population, and already having a good effect. Hopefully will persuade the powers that be to lower the age for smear tests down a few years, and persuade all parents to have their teenage children put forward for the new jab available, so that it can be eradicated almost totally.

Whose to say what effect all this will have on her sons anyway, not set in stone. Children lose their mothers, and grow up to be sensible, well-rounded citizens, and not turn to yobbo behaviour, druggies, etc. Just the way Jade will be exiting does not mean that it will make much difference. I'm sure she has been a good mother, and taught them how to behave .... I don't think she ever did anything really terrible anyway.

1,000 young women die every year from this terrible cancer, and if the figures show a drop next year, sure it will be because of her.

cashman 06-03-2009 19:02

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oh well fair enough kate, lets canonise her, make her a saint.:rolleyes:

shakermaker 06-03-2009 19:41

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 689565)
1,000 young women die every year from this terrible cancer, and if the figures show a drop next year, sure it will be because of her.

The NHS and Cancer Research UK might as well take a breather then! Jade's got it covered.

katex 06-03-2009 21:05

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 689626)
The NHS and Cancer Research UK might as well take a breather then! Jade's got it covered.

Yah daft bat ... :rolleyes: Didn't mean that at all, although did come out that way.

No, steps are being made in many ways in this cancer through research, screening and the new injections, so will not all be down to her I agree ... sorry.

Feel that if one young girl has bothered to go for a smear test, where she wouldn't have before, and there are early signs of cell changes, which can be easily eradicated, then Jade has done a good job. Even she did not go back to the doctor when she got her first report of abnormalities; the young people's 'immunity' attitude I suppose.

My daughter, who is going through a programme of these preventative injections at the moment with her patients, and has worked on gynaecological wards, has described the symptoms, and believe me are not at all pleasant. Sure Margaret Pilkington will endorse this. Not the best of ways to die at any age.

Margaret Pilkington 06-03-2009 21:23

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Endorsed in full Katex. I have seen women die horribly with this nasty, but preventable and largely treatable disease.
It isn't something that is easy to watch, it tears families apart...and when I think of all the women who failed to attend for their smear test and colposcopy it grieves me.
Colposcopy is a more detailed test which is done when abnormal cells are found.

katex 06-03-2009 21:34

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 689691)
Colposcopy is a more detailed test which is done when abnormal cells are found.

Yep, had it myself and subsequent lazer 'zapping' years ago .. probably saved my life.

david1 22-03-2009 07:30

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Jade goody has died !

BBC NEWS | Entertainment | Reality TV star Jade Goody dies

pipinfort 22-03-2009 07:38

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Such a shame and a waste of a young mums life, what a cruel hand she was dealt...........Rest In Peace Jade......:(

garinda 22-03-2009 08:53

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'I'm the 25th most influential person in the world and I don't even know what the word means.'

Jady Goody's defining quotes | Metro.co.uk

R.I.P. Jade.

emzy 22-03-2009 09:09

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RIP Jade

Gayle 22-03-2009 09:14

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So, no miracle recovery then! It's been a very surreal news story and it's ended in what must be the most poignant way - to have the two children (who's future she was trying to secure with all the media coverage) to lose thier mother on Mother's Day.

It really is a script waiting to be written.

It's very sad.

jaysay 22-03-2009 10:12

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That was exactly my thoughts Gayle to die on mothers day, very very sad RIP

Lolly 22-03-2009 10:23

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Those poor boys on Mothers Day of all days. I'm sick and tired of seeing people slag her off, she did what she did because of her sons. I would have took exactly the same path as her and milked everything for all I could knowing i'd be doing something that would see my children in a good education and safe and secure financially!

RIP Jade xxx

Margaret Pilkington 22-03-2009 10:32

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Jade is now at peace, she is suffering no more.......and the media vultures(which I know she encouraged for her own ends) can fly off and leave her family to deal with their grief.
Rest In Peace Jade.

flashy 22-03-2009 10:33

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R.I.P Jade

BERNADETTE 22-03-2009 11:24

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RIP Jade that terrible disease claims another poor victim

mani 22-03-2009 12:22

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reality tv star jade goody has died at the age of 27.

She died at home with her family in upshire, essex, in the early hours of sunday after a high-profile battle with cervical cancer.

Her mother jackiey budden, who was at her side as she died, said: "my beautiful daughter is at peace."
rip

Lilly 22-03-2009 12:31

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R.I.P Jade and God bless your two boys.

How sad that she should die on Mothers Day of all days. :(

AccyLass 22-03-2009 13:03

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Rip

blazey 22-03-2009 13:04

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My friend said to me yesterday 'I bet she dies tomorrow on Mothers day, it'll make more money' and surprise surprise, dead on mothers day.

It wouldn't surprise me if she actually died yesterday and just held out for the papers on sunday because its a 'better' story.

Call me a cynic, but I can't help but doubt this story and I'm sure I won't be the only one.

It is really sad that she's dead though, I really feel for her little boys.

accyman 22-03-2009 13:36

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comiserations to OK magazine who will now have to find somone elses suffering to prostitute to keep sales figures up

i feel sorry for any family that looses a family member to cancer but in her case if she had chosen her health instead of arranging to sod off abroad to a foriegn big brother show and spent less time trying to be popular again she may still be with her family today if she had been available to start treatment sooner


i wonder how much the funeral rights went for :rolleyes:

sympathy for her kids but none for her sorry

buttonsmum 22-03-2009 13:55

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What a shame, I feel really sorry for her two boy's.

Neil 22-03-2009 16:08

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 695413)
It wouldn't surprise me if she actually died yesterday and just held out for the papers on sunday because its a 'better' story.

Some of the papers print runs are finished before Sunday, the latest will finish about 4am Sunday morning so they can get to the distributors and then the paper shops by about 6am Sunday morning.

MargaretR 22-03-2009 16:19

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I wouldn't sacrifice dignity for money.
Her children may well have succeeded in life without it.
Life success depends on level of happiness and not material wealth
Sad for anyone to die so young and there are many every day

Neil 22-03-2009 16:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 695453)
I wouldn't sacrifice dignity for money.
Her children may well have succeeded in life without it.
Life success depends on level of happiness and not material wealth
Sad for anyone to die so young and there are many every day

She did not sacrifice dignity for money in my opinion. She made some TV programmes, the only thing she is known for anyway. Because of Jade many young women have been for smear tests that would not have. She has probably saved a few lives by what she did.

Yes she made money for the future of her kids. Nothing wrong with her making provision for her children for when she is gone. I am sure knowing she was doing what she could for her children is what kept her going till the end.

I hope you rest in peace Jade, you were a very brave lady doing what you did for your children. I hope your actions carry on making young women aware of cervical cancer and they keep getting checked out from a young age.

derekgas 22-03-2009 16:53

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RIP Jade, I agree that there is nothing wrong with providing for your children, if she was in a position where she could start treatment OR do the foriegn big brother, which would she have chosen? I know many women who would gladly sacrifice thier own life for the sake of thier kids, No matter what anybody thought of her (and I was no fan), mothers day is a worse day than most to lose your mother.

MargaretR 22-03-2009 16:59

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If time travel were possible, wouldn't somebody have been back or forward and told us by now?
They have, but haven't told you:D

magpie 22-03-2009 17:44

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rip such a shame......

emamum 22-03-2009 17:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 695456)
She did not sacrifice dignity for money in my opinion. She made some TV programmes, the only thing she is known for anyway. Because of Jade many young women have been for smear tests that would not have. She has probably saved a few lives by what she did.

Yes she made money for the future of her kids. Nothing wrong with her making provision for her children for when she is gone. I am sure knowing she was doing what she could for her children is what kept her going till the end.

I hope you rest in peace Jade, you were a very brave lady doing what you did for your children. I hope your actions carry on making young women aware of cervical cancer and they keep getting checked out from a young age.

well said Neil

Neil 22-03-2009 17:58

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Originally Posted by emamum (Post 695473)
well said Neil

shhh people will start to think I am a sensitive chap ;)

MargaretR 22-03-2009 17:58

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She didn't do it for cancer awareness - she did it for money
The fact that it had a good secondary effect has given her very public death more sympathy.
If her intention was cancer awareness- why didn't she donate the money to cancer research?

banjoman 22-03-2009 18:02

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I feel sorry for the boys. I was getting a bit annoyed with all the coverage around it meself. When Wendy Richards passed away it was quite a shock , but with Jade its turned into such a media event. I understand wanting to make enough money to look after the kids, but if I knew it was my last few weeks I would have spent all my time with my family and not selling stories.

I wonder how much Mr Clifford had to do with how all this was handled ? Wonder how much he made from it all ?

Neil 22-03-2009 18:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 695482)
She didn't do it for cancer awareness - she did it for money
The fact that it had a good secondary effect has given her very public death more sympathy.
If her intention was cancer awareness- why didn't she donate the money to cancer research?

She did it for her children, simple.

Unless you can't understand that. Shall I spell it out a little bigger for you

Her CHILDREN



It can't have been for herself could it seeing as she is dead now and knew all along that she did not have much change of surviving it.
Why should she do it for cancer awareness?
What she did made more people aware of cancer than any advertising campaign I have ever seen.

MargaretR 22-03-2009 18:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 695486)
She did it for her children, simple.

Unless you can't understand that. Shall I spell it out a little bigger for you

Her CHILDREN



It can't have been for herself could it seeing as she is dead now and knew all along that she did not have much change of surviving it.
Why should she do it for cancer awareness?
What she did made more people aware of cancer than any advertising campaign I have ever seen.

I know that:rolleyes: but will they benefit from a private education and a lifetime where they need not strive - debatable

emamum 22-03-2009 18:13

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I believe that the amount of coverage this has had will save the lives of other young women that would have avoided the smear because they are not nice, she has also given her childre a better start to their lives (sadly without their mother) than she had, she was uneneducated and didnt have the best upbringing and i can completely understand, as a mother, that she needed to make sure her children had better and i agree that it probably kept her going and gave her something to concentrate on at the end and may have brought her a little comfort.

Loz 22-03-2009 18:38

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I was never her biggest fan but i feel so sorry for her and her kids.
Its horrible losing a parent at anytime and at any age but for this to happen on mothers day is so very sad.
Maybe now she has died people can stop with the cynicism.
R.I.P

lindsay ormerod 22-03-2009 18:44

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Not a fan but no one deserves to die at such a young age. Maybe if she had attended the hospital appointments she was sent when the suspicious cells were found she would have had more of a chance. Smear tests are a necessary evil.:(

shillelagh 22-03-2009 20:21

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I wasnt a fan either of her ... but she has brought it further to the front .. dont miss your smear tests .. She did this for her kids to make sure they had a better start in life than what she had. Ok it drove me nuts all the publicity about it .. didnt seem to be off the front pages and on telly .. but if its saved just one more persons life .. isnt it worth it? Her kids will have to grow up without her and i just hope that their father tells them that jade did it for her kids.

By the way banjoman did you not watch bbc1's documentary with wendy richards last thursday night that she did when she was dying .... they followed her through her treatment.

West Ender 22-03-2009 20:39

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When she was fit and well I had no time for Jade, she was a loud-mouthed, ill bred, ignorant girl. When she became ill I had to view her with compassion because she was a young mother with a terminal illness and only a heart of pure granite could be hardened towards her.

It doesn't matter how awful she was, her life ended in dreadful pain and she has left 2 small boys without a mother's love. Let the cynics think on that fact and thank their god that they haven't suffered the same fate.

I'm tired of hearing how she "should have contributed to cancer research" too. Who has had access to her bank account? How does anyone know if she did or she didn't? Her highly publicised death has contributed to a heightened awareness of a terrible disease and for that, if for nothing else in her short life, Jade should be applauded.

Margaret Pilkington 22-03-2009 20:40

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I am not sure that giving children a financial advantage is necessarily the best for them........though I do understand her motives...especially with regards to their education.
Jade herself didn't have much of an education but she still made something of her life.
We may not all agree with what she did, but you have to give her credit for hauling herself up from very humble beginnings.
I just don't know how her children will see the intrusive coverage of her illness by the media, when they are old enough to make judgements for themsleves.

I hope the media will now give her family the time they need to grieve for Jade.
I doubt it though...she was just another media commodity.

emamum 22-03-2009 21:24

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I understand her motives...especially with regards to their education.
Jade herself didn't have much of an education but she still made something of her life.
she is famous for showing her 'kebab' on a reality tv show :rolleyes:

BERNADETTE 22-03-2009 22:07

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Whether we agree with how Jade coped with her diagnosis or not none of us can doubt her very deep love for her boys and in her own way she was trying to make sure they got the start in life that she never did. Her childhood was nothing short of tragic, as anybody who has followed her story will tell you. For goodness sake let her rest in peace:mad:

forceten 22-03-2009 22:26

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Well said Bernadette

And for people to say that she held out to die on Mothers Day........for gods sake get a life.

Jade has done more to promote cervical cancer and the importance of smears than anybody.

May she rest in peace

Margaret Pilkington 23-03-2009 11:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by emamum (Post 695556)
she is famous for showing her 'kebab' on a reality tv show :rolleyes:

Jade was a media commodity, and as such she gave the media what she thought they wanted....she gave them what she thought would keep her in the limelight...she was a wannabe(though I have to say I cringe at that term)......and if that meant she had to show off bits of herself that would be better left covered that was what she was going to do.
Jade wanted to be loved and accepted......she was a quintessential Essex Girl......a mouthy broad.......and unfortunately lots of girls wished to be like her.

Whatever our personal feelings of her were, she has had a very short life.......and one that was ended in a very sad way.

I didn't like the girl, but I do think she has made a difference to women. By that, I mean that more women than ever are now having their long overdue smears done....they are not Failing to Attend their clinic appointments for screening and treatments....and if this means that only one life is saved...then Jade has done a good job.
It will be an even better job she has done if the ridiculous age related screening program is kicked into touch too.

pipinfort 23-03-2009 15:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by emamum (Post 695473)
well said Neil



Ditto..............

West Ender 24-03-2009 20:41

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There was a 5 page spread about Jade Goody in today's Express. It seems that she will have 21 funeral cars in procession behind the hearse and tv screens outside the church relaying the service.
There are banks of flowers laid on the ground outside her house.

Now, I've already said I felt compassion for her when she was dying and I don't retract from that. I feel compassion for anyone who is dying, especially so young and with small children. That doesn't mean I thought she had become a different person, she was still common, foul-mouthed and obnoxious, just in a pitiable position.

The present situation, however, bothers me. Even the most, ostensibly, sensible public figures are treating this unfortunate girl like a martyr. The public are fast heading down the Diana route and I forsee weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth at the funeral; outpourings of ludicrous faux grief and screams of "Jade" as the cortege passes.

I was a bit disturbed to hear that Stephen Fry, the self-appointed Wise Man of QI, had called her "Princess Diana from the wrong side of the tracks". That was until I realised that Fry had hit the nail on the head. He was describing a woman, who was famous for being famous, who had the ability (and the publicity machinery) to get Joe Public onside no matter what were her faults and the incredible timing of Nature to pop her clogs at just the opportune moment. Fry's gift for irony is not to be underestimated.

lindsay ormerod 24-03-2009 21:17

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I can see it getting very messy.

Lilly 24-03-2009 21:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod (Post 696226)
I can see it getting very messy.

In what way?

lindsay ormerod 24-03-2009 21:29

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Just lots of daft hysteria from folk who wouldn't have given a damn about her previously, just like the hysteria we had with Diana, most folk didn't give a fig for her when she was alive, but the mass outpouring of public grief just got ridiculous. Think this will go the same way, wouldn't be suprised to see some charity single for the bandwagon jumpers. Sad but true, it's human nature.:confused:

garinda 24-03-2009 23:42

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Jade Goody biopic in the works

Plans are afoot to turn the reality TV star's second autobiography into a feature film.

Jade Goody biopic in the works | Film | guardian.co.uk

jaysay 25-03-2009 10:20

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Just read this morning that the local council are going to name a block of flats after her (no not HBC) and it appears that she hasn't left her husband anything in her will, just the kids and some kids in Africa. So he can stew on that when he's banged up again shortly

blazey 25-03-2009 12:17

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What simply annoys me about the whole thing is that all the money raised would be going to her children and never a mention of a single penny going to any causes or any sort.

She should have set up a trust in the name of her cause. She'd avoid the inheritance tax, probably receive more regular donations to the fund even after she'd dead, she could ensure enough money was set aside in high interest rate savings for her kids so they'd have plenty of money and generally it'd look a hell of a lot better.

Trusts are the way forward. This is what I have learnt this year. Obviously the money for her kids will still be drilled into trusts but the 40% inheritance tax cut (its still 40% isn't it?) isn't pleasant.

I'm sure we have a thread similar to this about wills and such.

blazey 25-03-2009 12:20

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As for women who have died from cervical cancer, Eva Peron and little Eva (Eva Boyd) both died of it.

She isn't the first, she won't be the last. I think seeing her face on the front of everything is a bit sickening and the only thing I've listened to about her is the radio, not bought the magazines and newspapers or read them online.

Apart from the idea of the statue... that is just insane.


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