The Appropriate Adult
 

This is being shown on ITV this evening at 9pm -saw an interview on SKY with the director and thought it looked interesting. It stars Dominic West and Emily Watson and tells the story of the serial killer Fred West as seen through the eyes of a young social worker who was present at police interviews with him.
Probably not an easy tale to watch in some respects but the psycological aspect should be an eye-opener.
We've been force-fed programmes like CSI for years and think we know all about these sort of things, but real-life is usually stranger than fiction.
I'll have to wait till it's out on DVD i suppose....

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Going to watch it.

Has had good reviews.

Why can't you get British television?

Can you, but it's expensive?

I have friends on mainland Europe who watch it for free. Though they might be doing so illegally.

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If it's on tonight, why are you waiting for the DVD?

Unless your after the digitally re-mastered version?
:confused:

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I think the programme's going to make the point, despite what's been published in recent books, that Rose wasn't an innocent victim, but an equal participant in these horrendous crimes.

Apparently they are to broach the subject that she was a victim of incest, carried out by her father, and grandfather.

Of course all victims of child abuse don't go on to be abusers themselves.

Though with her start in life you can begin to understand why she became so evil.

I firmly believe no one is born bad.

Circumstances allow evil to fester, and then grow.

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Errm ....we don't have ITV on in Italy, Less. Perhaps you'd care to make a copy for me and send it over!:)

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I couldn't agree more.

It's nature vs nurture....

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Though perhaps some people are more susceptibale.

Rose West had siblings, presumably with a similar upbringing, who didn't go on to be serial killers.

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ITV is available throughout Europe via the Astra satellite and a freeview box.

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Didn't know that, will investigate the possibility, Thanks for the info!:)

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A basic Digital satellite receiver that can pick up the Astra 2D Sat & a biggish Dish should get you there. We have it here in Germany have a look on the web for ex-pat sites & suchlike & they'll point you in the right direction.

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Interesting article by the writer of Appropriate Adult, Neil McKay, and background information regarding Janet Leach.

Fred West: a glimpse of extreme evil | Television & radio | The Guardian

Interesting angle, the appropriate adult's involvment.

Emily Watson very good.

Dominic West eerily like West, and underplays his evilness very well. Making him very ordinary.

Best line - 'Well I had to close her eyes; You can't cut off a daughter's head when she's staring at you.'

Interesting rather than sensationalist.

Look forward to the concluding part.

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I've watched ITV Granada in Spain. And BBC North West Tonight with Gordon Burns and Ranvia Singh.

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I've watched Dicky's Son's Real Deals in the Vatican.

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Is that a euphenism for something dirty? :confused::confused::confused:

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Mobertol needs to contact these people, to go up and fiddle about on her roof.

www.rodhullandemu/aerials.co.uk

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The Vatican?

I sincerely hope it isn't.

Though you do hear such terrible things.

So I'm a little unsure now you've mentioned it.

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Is your appropriate adult with you, whilst you post?

Hope so.

The world wide web can get very confusing for some.

Bless you.

:o

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Surely some are born evil? That there is something in their genes that will make them become evil. You state that all victims of abuse don't go on to be abusers themselves but the reason why could be genetic.

However as far as I understand all psychopaths have experienced some serious dysfunction in childhood, some form of prolonged mental emotional torment. Ed Gein (the character who inspired "Texas Chainsaw Masacre" and "Psycho" was regularly mentally humiliated by his religous fanatic mother who used to read the bible to him and call him a filthy sinner and so on) I think recently a report came out that children under the age of 6 should not be exposed to traumatic information as their brains can't handle it!

This drama was quite good, except the start when Fred (who hung himself in his cell - well done fred!) described cutting up his daughter they way he said it, maybe that is how he said it in reality, just seemed ridiculous they way he spoke like it was so matter of fact.

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Perhaps it's the effect of Fred West on her that created that environment in which they carried out their evil deeds. Perhaps some minor sexual fetish slowly grew into a much more evil one.

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when is the second one on?

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Next Sunday.

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As I said earlier, I don't think any baby's born pre-programmed to be evil.

Again as posted earlier, I think Fred West talking about cutting up the daughter he'd just killed in such a matter of fact way, illustrated just how unhinged and evil a person he was.

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Thanx

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Not harping back to "insertions" :eek:are we here Garinda - would be pretty deep in this case and a bit more than just a fiddle on my roof- he'd have to wash more than his hand too, undoubtedly...;):p

Glad the film seems to have been a success -will look forward to seeing it- whenever....:(

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It's not about being pre-programmed to be evil. People who do violence to others and enjoy it do so, in many cases, because their brains don't produce the chemicals that normal people have that makes them see someone is suffering and try to help that person, or stop what they are doing to inflict that pain. Surely the cause of this is genetic and is genetically inherant!? If you don't have the chemicals in the brain it's nothing to do with choice, it's they way you were born.

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Fear I keep repeating myself, but I don't think anyone's born evil.

I definitely come down on the nurture, rather than nature side of the argument.

If Rose West hadn't been sexually molested by both her her father and grandfather in a violent home, and had never met Fred West, would she still have become a sadistic serial killer?

I doubt it.

She had siblings, raised in a similar environment, who didn't become murderers. What made them different?

I don't know.

Everyone reacts differently to the environment and circumstances that surround them.

Some manage to survive. Others can't.

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Would Germany have invaded Poland, and Britain entered into a World War, and my twenty two year old grandfather been killed in Normandy, if Adolf Hitler been accepted into art school in Austria, instead of repeatedly turned down?

Who knows?

Post Treaty of Versailles Germany was certainly in a devasted state. Ripe for social revolution, be it led by the left or the right, and was ready to be presented with a scapegoat to blame for their woes.

Was there no other person who could overthrow the established government in a coup? Was the socially retarded failed Austrian artist the only person who could make this happen? Was he born for this role?

Who knows?

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Mmm apparently Adolf Hitler was battered by his father as a child. Also at the end of 1st World War he could have gone back to art but decided not to and became a politcal agitator which was a spin off from his position in the army.

Tonight (Wednesday 7th) Horizon, BBC2 9pm - about scientists who believe there may be something in the genes that make people evil - watch it!

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don't forget the second one is on tonight at 9

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Fred West was vermin!

Fred West - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Wish I had.

:D

Fizzled out.

Over long, in need of a good editing, and not as interesting as last week's opening episode.

Disappointing.

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I agree Rindy.

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How many times does that happen, with two part dramas?

Starts off great, and the second part/ending's rubbish.

I think writers try harder to make the beginings exciting, because that's all the programme makers usually have to go on, when commissioning new programmes.

Perhaps they should look at the ending instead.

:D

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Yep, it was crap

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Didn't watch the one last Sunday or last night either, but there was a report in a Sunday Paper saying that Rose West was hurt and very annoyed that the program had portrayed her as a monster, anybody thing of a different word to describe her, no me neither

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There was an article about her and the programme, in last week's Sunday Times.

There was an old photograph of Rose West, describing her as 'hauntingly beautiful' in her youth.

I know beauty's in the eye of the beholder, but that seemed to be stretching things a bit too far, and it's certainly not how I'd have described her.

I think I'd have settled for looking a bit simple.

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Would have loved to see how the hack would have portrayed a real minger:rolleyes:

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The problem with Internet forums is that they breed ignorance in that certain types of people can make one line quips and then get their mates to back them up! This would not happen in real time situations as it would end up in physical violence. Problem with the Internet people can behave deviously and highly negatively in away they could not do before.

I don't think the 2nd one was dissapointing - it went into how the appropriate adult was manipulated and used by "evil" Fred West. I don't know how true that was the way she kept visiting him with out Police knowledge, but she was a fool to do it without telling the Police! Perhaps the week break killed the momentum but I thought it was very good all in all!

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Trust me, ever since I learned to speak I've spoken my own mind.

I neither care, nor am particularly bothered, if others happen to share my own point of view. Though I do find it fascinating to know what others are thinking.

It doesn't make my thoughts more, or less important than anyone else's.

I do pity your situation, in which differences of opinion end in 'physical violence'. That's a very sad situation to be living with.

Anyway, back to the subject of the programme Appropriate Adult, which subsequently seems more than a little ironic.

I, and it seems others who've posted, were disappointed with the final episode, compared to the opening one, the Sunday before.

You liked it.

The rest of us obviously aren't as easily satisfied.

Takes all sorts.

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There's always one.




Well in most dramas there is.

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Well i never watched it,but have read the thread outa interest,plus i'm a nosey get, but either yeh talking a load of crap here, or yeh consorted wi a load of clowns oer the years? :rolleyes:

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Plus, Flashy and Junetta know and speak their own mind.

To suggest they posted to 'back up their mate', is utterly ludicrous.

Next we'll be hearing, yet again, about the sinister and evil workings of the Accy Web 'clique'.


:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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I don't see anything wrong with Garinda's comments on the second programme. We all have our own likes or dislikes with tv programmes. So why is someone suggesting physical violence would be used in a face to face situation? I don't like Coronation Street. WHACK! How dare you criticise Ken Barlow!

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Backing mates up hey.....whatever happened to freedom of speech? And believe me, i do say WHAT i want, WHEN i want, i don't ever feel the need to back anyone up, if i think what they are saying is right i will agree, if i think what they are saying is wrong then i'll air my views, kestrelx, you really haven't got used to me yet have you? Tut tut