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Tune in tomorrow night, BBC1, 9PM to see fun on the Shadsworth Estate:

BBC One - Panorama, Trouble on the Estate

My guess is that some of you will see some relatives and friends, especially you lot from Ossy - after all, Shadsworth is just up the road.

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The snootiest place I've ever been to in the world, wasn't the Carlton Club, the Hotel George V in Paris, or even Henley Regatta.

It was the private tennis club we used to be members of in the seventies, and eighties, which was up Shad.

;)

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And one of the roughest pubs, rovers returns

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Not forgetting Sett End too, which was also a bit tasty:rolleyes:

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I organised the Art Ball in Shadsworth, in 1982, at the Red Parrot.

Cracking night.

I was dressed as a Peruvian lama herder, with boot polish glasses painted on my face.

The locals were very welcoming.

A little scared, but welcoming.

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Is that where they had saucy ladies in the seventies, baring all?

With small boys with their eyes pressed up against the cracks?














No matter how hard you looked, when you were leaving the swimming pool, it was very hard to find a suitable crack to peer through, in the paper overed windows.

:D

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I do believe it was Rindi, although I never checked the place out on these nights being a good catholic boy, although I did frequent the place most lunchtimes for a pie and a pint when working across the road on the new flats:rolleyes:

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Shad is just up the road from me, not a nice place BUT believe it or not there are worse places in Blackburn...Mill Hill is worse as is Highercroft, they are pure animals in those areas, the roughest of the rough

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Sunday afternoons, mid eighties, mate had a flat on "deck access" that's what I knew the flats as, dunno what their proper name was,

Into sett end for Sunday dinner, and if you hadn't finished by time strippers where on, you could take your plate through to red parrot lol

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I feel I need to apologise.

I didn't realise you'd had it in that long.

Sorry.

Must be a nightmare at airports nowadays, with all the metal detectors, because of increased security meaures.

:o

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That was their name CFCR, built in the late 60s by John Laing, I actually think most of them have been knocked down now, they were a swedish design called Jesperson Construction, might have been okay for sweden but were a waste of time here, went back some years later, i've never seen so much damp and mould in such new properties

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i seem to remember someday saying they had "concrete cancer", thats why they knocked em down, could be wrong

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Think one of the main reasons was that nobody would take up tenancy, at one time I heard that they were letting them out to students, but if they were said to be causing cancer, it might have been the last nail in the coffin

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No, nothing to do with the human disease, it's deteriora
tion of concrete caused by various factors.

Concrete cancer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Now there's a thing can't say I've heard of that before susie, very interesting, funny it should happen in Blackburn yet I know that there are these type of flats still in use elsewhere in the country

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well jay,
i remember reading somewhere that historically, accrington & blackburn area was "damp", thats why it was good for the cotton industry!

once again i could be wrong, just remember reading something about it once

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Could well be right, I've just looked out the window, don't know about damp, looks very wet to me:D

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I once had a garage with a 6 inch thick concrete roof- like a bomb shelter.
The damp must have worked on the cement, the re-enforcing rods rusted. As they expanded the top layers inside and outside shattered and eventually the whole 6 inch roof cracked right through in several places-it leaked in like mad.

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We lived in Shadsworth in the 60's for a couple of years - I also worked in the Co-op in 1977 for a few months - it wasn't that bad, I don't recall any shoplifters! :rolleyes:

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Any gay bashers? Where abouts in Shadsworth was the Red Parrot? On the housing estate?

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Think thats the name the Sett End changed to

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no they was next door to each other

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The estate must have changed a lot, I know it was always rough - but when I worked in the Co-op, which was in the middle of the housing estate, I don't recall any trouble with kids or thieves.

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Next Door, I always though The Sett End was a stand alone building, well it was when it was built, they did have an Off Licence though

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last time i drove past, it was a catering supplies place

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it still is and that Rovers place was knocked down a good few years ago and bungalows have been built on the site where it was...on Dunoon Drive

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What's at the Co-operative Supermarket now?

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I know its not their now Shaz, think your right about the bungalows, but if they were private couldn't see anybody in their right mind buying one there:rolleyes:

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I moved to Shadsworth in 1957 when I was eighteen months old and the houses were newly built - I have photographs of my dad digging in the garden and in the background you can see houses being built and the roads being surfaced. I lived there until I was twelve when my parents bought their own house at the other side of town. Shadsworth was a lovely place in the 1950's and early 60's, I have some very happy childhood memories, but even then there were rough areas where I wasn't allowed to go.

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I too moved to Shadsworth in the mid 50s. we left Carlisle St, from a two up two down with outside toilet to a brand new house at Shadsworth with indoor toilet AND a bathroom , this was sheer bliss. Like AnneSingleton I have very happy memories of those years , photos of me playing in garden and in the background Arran Avenue being built. New schools were there and the junior school was not ready for our admission , so us juniors were then taught at the "wood hut " ( tenants went to pay their rents there ) until the school was ready. once we were there the Senior school was built. I left Shad in 1977 and moved to Accrington with my new husband.

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Kestrel, i don't know where to co op was, i'm from accy originally, only been where i am for 16 years, there is a shop on Rothesay Road, it's a Spar, across from that on Rothesay is the Community centre and park, behind the com centre are the new bungalows on dunoon where the rovers was

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Cheers - I can't give you directions as it's so long ago I've forgotten the lay out and so on. It's probably all changed now - has the estate been increased since the 70's, or is it the same size?

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Don't know if it's been increased, like i said, i've only been in Blackburn 16 years, i don't think in that time they have built any new houses up there other than the bungalows, i live near wynsors shoe shop, don't know many up Shad

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Now that program was depressing as hell.

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sett end, remember being there waiting for news of the next rave :D

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Much more interesting and lively thread about issues raised by this programme, on Facebook.

Involving those who now mainly enjoy discussing things there, away from the invading trolls, pedantic spell checkers, and laughter police.

Not an option for the friendless, l suppose, but apparently suits some.

Being made of sterner stuff, I'll happily post in both places.

The nasty brigade, like shame, I fear not.

:)

So, my inital own thought, after watching this programme...

'I didn't want him goin' up there to no school, I wanted him to stay home with me.' said the feckless, work-shy, maid of Kent, as she rolled another joint. 'I didn't want him to go there, so they could have their influence over him.'

Run boy! Run for your life! Run to school, and never look back!

There is somewhere better than your moronic, poor excuse for a mother's Shadsworth home.

;)

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The debate did widen somewhat...as my friends will know.

Encompassing the liberalisation of the education system in the sixties, drug use and poverty, both actual and moral, and the legacy of New Labour governments on the traditional working classes.

Good, lively, interesting stuff.

:)

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happy days in the sett end on sunday afternoons,strippers,a blue comic and a dj or to the rovers return for the same,i think the sett end changed its name to the re3d parrot but cant be sure,but in the late 80,s that was the place to go for totty and a good time

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It was like being at work for a day, condensed in to one hour and one location. :(

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I think Shadsworth is just one of many estates around the country which depicts so called poverty, Fern Gore, behind Dill Hall Lane, Belfield road, Highercroft, Mill Hill, Whitebirk, Grange park in Blackpool, every town has a 'Shadsworth' or two, Shadsworth could have been any one of them last night.

I do however commend the Lancasters in Working and wanting to work, they are at least trying to bring their children up properly and wanting the best for them

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I think a lot of people would agree with that.

As well as the kids with morons for parents, you have to feel sorry for the many decent folk forced to live on similar estates, who are working hard to bring up their families well, inspite of all the anti-social behaviour that surrounds them.

After watching the programme last night, I really hope that man's inundated with offers of more challenging, better paid employment, and he can leave his hundred quid a week cleaning job. He deserves it.

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Well said Gary

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My Grandma lived up there on Talbot crescent for a while , thankfully she upgraded and moved to Clayton lol

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That's exactly what I said last night when I was watching, I really hope that man and his wife get snapped up by someone and do really well, they deserve better.

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Yes, the Co-op is now a Spar and has been extended at the front. When I was little, there used to be a Co-op (where you had to queue to be served before it became self service), a greengrocers I think, a butchers and a newsagents.

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The newsagant was originally wool and fancy goods it was called Marie's. Accross the road on the corner of Dunoon Drive was a chemist.

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If I remember rightly Greeny they had to close the chemist because it was always being broken into.

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Would that have been in order to steal Rubber Johnnies?

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I left in 1977 so didn't really know what happened to it. Mum dies in 1986 , so dad moved to Accrington to be nearer to us. I have returned to Shadsworth a time or two but leave with a lump in my throat and happy memories. I feel for most of the residents as they will all be tarred with the same brush, yet the scumbags it shown last night are of the minority.Felt for the couple who are proud to try get on with working , hope a better offer comes their way , they deserve it.

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What me being a good catholic boy:eek::eek::D

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You'd break in to commit arson on the contraceptives isle? ;)

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Yeh I worked at that Co-op briefly in the 70's.

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More like breaking in for the uppers and downers - to sell to the Wigan people.:cool:

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The mind boggles at how arson will end up after it's been through Jays keyboard.
:cool:

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Are you back on the weed or what:confused::confused::confused:

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Well you inspected it last Friday:D

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Which reminds me of a quote from the programme:

"I wanted to be a Fireman, but finished up being an arsonist"

Absolute quality... :D

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Its like the saying if you can't beat um join um, but in reverse:D

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Why? :confused: are you daft? People used to break into chemists for the pills which they would sell onto people for recreational purposes and who wanted to stay up all night. Pills that back in the 70's were given out on prescription for various reasons. I think they even prescribed black bombers for slimming back in the day - which they don't do now. There were also "blues" that were a blue colored pill people took to stay up longer. :rolleyes:

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'Twas very funny.

Sad.

But funny.

:dflam:

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Some interesting coverage in the press, following the programme's broadcast.

The film-makers creating trouble on the estate | Owen Hatherley | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

How have things changed on the Shadsworth estate in the last 20 years? (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Videos: Blackburn's Shadsworth estate outraged by BBC Panorama 'hatchet job' (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Also -

Urban Dictionary: Shadsworth

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Chronic Ironic...

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Was talking to an old fella today who comes into the shop regularly, he's lived up Shad for many many years and was saying what a load of crap that documentary was, he's in his 80s and said that they picked the worst of the whole estate out and it was shameful, he was saying that what the docu didn't show was that a lot of the houses up there are private and not owned by the council and he said in all his years up there he has never known anyone to deal drugs on the streets, he also said he's never had any trouble with any kids

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Just shows the negative power of television for misinformation when they want to enforce an agenda. That agenda being that Shadsworth is like the real life version of Chatsworth Estate out of TV comedy Shameless! :rolleyes:

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Well you should know, I'll take your word for it;)

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If they had portrayed Shad as a gentle, peaceloving place, it would not have made good TV(or what the Docu makes think is good TV)....it is really like people watching Jeremy Kyle(how I hate that show) and thinking that the whole human race was like those on that toxic show.
It is toxic TV.

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I still wouldn't live rent free up yon Shaz:cool:

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There is a guy at work who lives up there(for many years 40+ I imagine) with his twin brother and their mother. He hasn't complained in a while but he has often said they throw stuff at house and shout "psycho" and "peado" at him

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Have you no common sense? Where do you think they got all these prescription pills from in the 70's? NHS donations? :p

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Don't know I had more sense than bother with um so wasn't ever interested, could have been getting um from Timbuktu as far as I was concerned;)

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Very one sided doc, ironically they edited out all the positive stuff filmed. The big jubilee party that all the residents organised. The interview with the youth engagement officer talking about all the work they have done, organising trips for all youngsters off the estate regardless of background/income etc.

And yet when they panned around the estate apart from the run down shop area on ballantrae road, you could see tidy hedges and practically litter free streets!!

For obvious reasons I can't go into much detail regarding people shown in the film but enough to say what was shown was not a true representation of not only the estate but also some people shown on it

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Never seen it was away, But hardly a shock they edited out any positives.:rolleyes: They don't get a reaction.