Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1020534)

Also there was a bit that informed us how MDMA is made and made it sound really simple. I found this page posted of instructions of how to make it and the chemicals and equipment needed.

Doctor Drool's MDMA Synthesis - [www.rhodium.ws]

No way would your average individual be able to achieve this. But the program suggested it was easy.

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1020534)

Also Snow seemed a bit doddery and at one point seemed to be shaking his head for no reason, perhaps he'd been slipped one? ;)

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1020583)

Thanks for that Kes, made me quite nostalgic for the lab! Over forty years ago I got a PhD in organic chemistry but I'm not sure I'd want to attempt any of that at home. This bit from one of the linked documents made me laugh:

Gas began to come out of the dispersion tube, which I immersed in the toluene filtrate. Absolutely nothing had happened after several minutes and I was convinced I had totally f---ed up. Then a wisp here and there of white material started to appear, and within 30 seconds there were giant clouds of puffy MDMA HCl cascading out of solution. I nearly s--- my pants.

I noticed that he was not quite on the ball at one stage, I put it down to technical problems with the microphone or something, but you may be right!

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1020586)

I studied a lot of articles about MDMA as research for a novel idea I have, but I wouldn't like to try making it, I don't think you can get the chemicals without attracting the attention of the Police unless you was working in the chemistry industry or a criminal.

But you Sue with a PhD in Organic Chemistry could probably turn your hand to it! ;) It is a fascinating subject.

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1020588)

Well I could do it - with a lot of trial and error but I'm not sure my kitchen (or I) would ever be the same again! Prefer cookery to chemstry these days. But I did understand the synthesis and the method, which is a good start.

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1020594)

That's very good - but you wouldn't be able to get your hands on the key ingredient; safrole!

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1020596)

Yes you can buy the sassafras oil in tiny bottles containing about 4ml each but as you need about a pint it would look mighty suspicious if you tried to buy that many bottles!

So that knocks the whole thing on the head then...:( pity, I was just about to start sourcing glassware!:eek:;)

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1020599)

From what I read that is banned now isn't it as it's been linked to causing cancer? Root beer drink used to have it but these days it's been removed due to suspected carcinogenic links.

You'd probably blow yourself up! ;) As another ingredient on there is sulphuric acid?

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1020605)

Seems it's banned from food and medicine in the USA, not sure about anywhere else. Not sure whether to believe the list in the link below but it wouldn't surprise me if the Yanks had banned all these things, they have that sort of mentality...

11 - 11Points.com

Are you calling my chemistry skills into question?;) I may be a little rusty, but as for the H2SO4, there are lots of other chemicals needed for the synthesis which could be dangerous if not handled correctly.

On a slightly different subject, the statistics in the link below are interesting. Perhaps today's youth are not as interested in drugs as we thought? Must be us oldies keeping the trade going!

BBC News - Is the teen rebel a dying breed?

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1020620)

Try this...

11 Foods and Drinks Banned In the United States - 11Points.com