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Heres a t:gooddog:hought. Well known film director wants to remake The Dambusters. With CGI he believes he can really do justice to the story of brave men a great aircraft an amazing scientist and a wonder weapon. Trouble is it wont be going anywhere as the PC brigade insist one of the code names which relates to Guy Gibsons dog be changed. So do we change history for the sake of political correctness or tell it like it was after all that's history

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Don't change history...tell it as it WAS

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In one of the Die Hard films, Bruce Willis's character had to stand in Harlem with a sign around his head which said: "I hate ni**ers". As far as I know, there were no complaints about that, so I don't see why there would be complaints that Guy Gibson's dog was called Ni**ger. It should also be noted that whenever the original Dambusters is shown on TV, the name is not censored. Having said all that, I felt compelled to self-censor this post.

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"Hey Joe" Seems we've been down this road before

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...tas-67995.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ech-66111.html

And the overwhelming consensus is a big fat "No thank you!"

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Yes, we have, but it is still a current theme...there are still efforts to try and 'sanitise' past events.
This can never be acceptable.
The changes in attitudes today are maybe, in some respect, because of how we have reflected on what we did in the past.
Societies change and evolve...and if we are unwilling to accept what we now see as past mistakes, then we are certainly sure to repeat them.
Plus... a post is a post and it stimulates interest...we can revisit our own opinions...they too might have changed(but mine have not).

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Mine neither, as far as I'm concerned upsetting snowflakes & whiny leftists is fun & all part of life's rich tapestry, if trhey don't like it ... well that's their concern & not mine!.

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The dog was a black labrador and I would imagine when Guy Gibson named it he would not have thought the name would upset anyone. He seemed from what I have read of him to be a decent man and I would have thought that the thoughts of the PC brigade never entered his head. They have to twist everything now. Even nursery rhymes have had their words altered by these daft folk and Noddy books banned because he lived with Big ears in the stories. Absolutely bonkers. History is history and it cannot be changed just because it might upset a few.

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Well said Dave.
I enjoy upsetting them snowflakes an whingers, and they can cry, moan, threaten or what ever else floats their boat, but History once written cannot be undone.
Trying to educate them idiots an make them see sense, is as futile as trying to grow teets on kippers.

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Don't think so, the leftists & sjw wankerrati love it as it panders to their warped narritive of "happy homo's" living the dream, what really grabbed their goatee was the Golliwogs being deemed as such jolly little Scallywags, always upto mischief & naughtiness! It's obviously blatant wicked racism to depict these sun kissed chappies as such utter cads & bounders.

And as such Enid "Gruppen fuhrer" Blyton should be taken out & thrashed unmercifully to within an inch of her miserable life for her wickedness & her literature expunged from the world. All this to to stop the Wankerrati being triggered & constantly wetting themselves with outrage!

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next thing is a complete re write of all history where the germans actually won 2 world wars [no sorry you cannot have winners and loosers i mean they drew them] fear they get upset. plenty over the years have had dogs called blackie or nigger and they have not had a racist bone in their bodies. know an ex bury footballer who was black and his landlady had a dog called blackie and he never gave it a second thought unlike monkey chants.

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That's exactly what the whiny lefty wankeratti want! The realignment of British history to suit their preferred narrative, British & British Empire = Bad, while anything else, especially if it suits their agenda is most definitely good.

These pathetic libtard idiots really don't get it at all. Still, they may just one day wake up from their warped, dystopian fantasy wet dream & realise the actual realities of life!

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Quite agree with you Walter, but the liberal leftists really don't want this "Uncomfortable truth" to ruin their warped world view so it's quietly & conveniently forgotten, or more likely blatantly ignored!

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Didn't the US give the freed slaves a country - Liberia, where the called the capital Monrovia after President Monroe. Subsidised them until they realised that there were not that many takers and corruption raised it's head there as in all African countries once the colonists have handed back power.

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Oh look, more "inconvenient truth", the leftists liberal bedwetters don't like & won't mention .... can't for the life of me think why.

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Perhaps cos they are that thick they are not aware?:rolleyes:

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No...it is just that they do not wish to acknowledge what is an inconvenient truth that does not sit well with their political dogma.

It is we, the colonialists, who are in the wrong(according to them)not the corrupt greedy leaders who took over after the Brits left.

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Which to me means they are THICK.

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Not necessarily....they are turning away from the truth....that does not make them thick, it makes them ignorant.

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To me means too thick to recognize the truth.;)

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A dog called Nigger? for a short period my nick name at school was that because of my first name. Some one just called it me for a while but I didn't complain then it stopped.

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Okay ... so how do they stand on the derogative "White Nigga" ? Will the snowys wet themselves over its "Cultural appropriation" connotations? If that's the case then their tacitly admitting that ethnics use "Nigga" as one of their words & should others not be allowed to use it, well that's just discriminatory surely??? And as we keep getting told discrimination is right up there with, hatecrime, xyzphobic attitudes etc, etc!



Ooh, I can see them writhing & squirming in their "White guilt" cesspit of leftist self loathing, and yes I'm loving it! :D

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An older article admittedly, but I present it for perusal as an example of changes in recent "History" to accommodate the ever whining wankeratti. Bear in mind it's an English university, whose founders where white & as such profligated the "Culture & history" of our Isles, dominions & that of our European neighbours & trade partners.


If these ingrates & their Ilk wish to study BAME "Culture & History" Why not go to a land that has such educational facilities that relate to their desires for ethnic doodads, try Saudi, Iran, Iraq or Africa even, surely the amount of countries within that particular land mass must have centres of unbounded educational excellence relating to their people & culture, let 'em study there ......


https://www.breitbart.com/london/201...black-history/

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Today I read that Emily Dawes, the Feminist, vegan president of the Students Union of Southampton University wants to remove the Mural in the senate room of the University, that was painted by Sir Willian Rotherstein in 1916. This painting is showing the unknown soldier being conferred with an honorary degree.
It denotes all of those men who left university to fight in World War One.
What is her beef about this picture?
Well, it is showing only men and they are all (shock, horror) WHITE MEN.
Now this women is from Virginia in the good old US of A.....she says that if the picture is not taken down, the she would take steps to paint over it.

I thought that the universities in this country were places of learning and were populated by people who were the cream of the intelligentsia crop.
Emily Dawes herself is a student of astrophysics....so no intellectual slouch.
However she fails to recognise that at the time of WWI....it was mainly white males who went out and fought for the freedoms that she now enjoys....that many of those who went out to fight for those freedoms made the ultimate sacrifice and paid with their lives.

She has since made a lukewarm apology for her ill considered and thoughtless comments.
We cannot(however much we might like to....and I am not sure that I would like to) change our past....we can only(if we are wise) learn from it.
Someone needs to tell her that her mind is SO open, she is in danger of her brain falling out.

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I’m not sure what it is about the Southampton area but it does seem to be a hotbed of political over-correctness. I’ve noticed several such events in the past. One stupidity in particular sticks in the mind, someone wanted to remove the syllable ‘man’ from the words ‘management’ and ‘manager’ despite being at a loss to provide replacements and totally failing to recognise that both words are related to the verb ‘manage’ and all are gender irrelevant anyway.

However in respect of this painting it specifically honours those who interrupted their studies and in many cases lost their lives for the sake of this country, virtually all of these were white, British and middle or upper class because that’s who were in British Universities at that time. There were a very small number of non-white colonial students that were being educated for administrative positions in their home countries but their circumstances would usually have precluded their involvement. I wonder how many non-whites were in American Universities in 1916 - answered possibly on the fingers of one or two hands?


It should however be noted (because its often forgotten) that there were significant numbers of both British and French colonial troops in the trenches in France as well as in conflict in other parts of the world where conflict occurred.

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Yes you are right about it being a place of ill considered political correctness.
The comments that this American woman made were ahead of a week where the debate is entitled 'All things Black'.
Now forgive me,but isn't this just a bit of questionable virtue signalling.

I was aware of the history behind this mural, and it is part of our history....the fact that young white men gave up their academic pursuits to defend our freedoms....many of them never coming back.

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Thats nowt Cambridge University the Students union have BANNED Poppys these that attend yon are a majority of high class people ( if i'm not mistaken?)these are in the main the scumbags that will go on to represent us in Government. so what chance is there of us returning to a country we are proud of? very little i am sorry to say.:(

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More on the story of that bit of lint at Southampton.....she has had a very privileged upbringing and she is taking a year out of her studies to be President of the Students Union.....and get this.....being paid £20,000.

As for poppies being banned by the Students Union in Cambridge....these are supposed to be people who are intelligent....they are supposed to be able to formulate ideas and ideals of their own, they are supposed to be capable of thought and critical analysis, yet they act like a mindless herd.
It does not give me any great hope for the future of this country.

Cashy, gone are the days when it as only the top knobs that got into the prestigious Universities....now it boils down to whether you can pay.
These seats of learning are now commercial businesses....yes of course you DO have to get the right exam results as well, but with money....anything is possible (as the Philip Green debacle goes to show)

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Can you imagine how hurtful it must be to be a black lesbian stuck in a wheelchair and getting banned from your studies in Cambridge, just because your name is Poppy?

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I have a very good imagination, but no....this is a step too far for me.

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If only it was a step too far for those that confuse supporting war and supporting victims of war.

The poppy is there to help victims of mans inhumanity to man not to encourage it.

Banning the poppy is forgetting why those people suffered,

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Yes....and we can never afford to let that happen.....it would be the betrayal of humanity.

Those who think that the wearing of a poppy glorifies war are not getting the message.....and the message is that young men loved the country and the freedoms it offered, that they gave their lives to protect these freedoms.

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As far as i am concerned those people dont want to get the message, they are nothing but glorifield well off lumps of crap and should not even breathe, let alone ban poppies.

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think many people with this poppy issue really fall into two groups. there are those who want em banned and others who have the complete opposite view. the second group look disgusted and actually say things if you do not wear one. for me its a personal decision and no one should be spouting their views at others no matter which group they belong to.

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I agree entirely that it is personal choice.
So far this year I have bought three poppies...and lost all of them.
Do I begrudge the donations for these? Indeed I do not.
The men and women that they represent gave far more of themselves so that I could grow up in a free country....a country where people can express their thoughts, ideas and views.

Poppies do NOT glorify war and conflict, they make us focus on those who gave everything for us....that means something to me and I want people to know that I value the sacrifices made...wearing a poppy is how I do that.
Tomorrow I will buy another one.

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i really do think the media has a lot to blame in giving the anti remembrance day lefties their ammo. you see old newsreals and stills of smiling happy soldiers going to an eventual early death for many. everyone depicted as could not wait to join up which is not the whole truth. as an old schoolteacher of mine said to me once i only joined up because my mates did and they only joined up because i did. some did everything they could do to avoid the call up as well. i know remembrance day is about those who died but a little more media attention for those who were not there for queen and country and hearing their letters from the front might not give the detractors as much ammunition as they do get.

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yes, you are right when you cite the media for bearing a lot of the blame...but that is not the whole story is it?

Whatever the reasons were that young men joined up(and what you are citing is anecdotal, while it may apply to some..equally, it may not have been what many young men felt)....really now it is immaterial. They cannot tell us why they did what they did....and it would not change anything about the need to recognise and salute their sacrifice.

They may have joined up because their friends were doing that, what we cannot get away from is they made the ultimate sacrifice regardless of the motives.

The poppy is not a political symbol unless WE make it one....that is where the danger lies.

It is OUR motives which should be questioned....Why are we making it a political thing when it is not about politics, but about RESPECT and REMEMBRANCE of those who lost their young lives and their futures, their potential to make their mark on their communities???

I will continue to wear a poppy each November....as a mark of respect for the fallen in all conflicts.

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The poppy is not a political symbol unless WE make it one....that is where the danger lies.

It is OUR motives which should be questioned....Why are we making it a political thing when it is not about politics, but about RESPECT and REMEMBRANCE of those who lost their young lives and their futures, their potential to make their mark on their communities???

the only ones who seem to be using the poppy as a political symbol in their twisted minds are the usual suspects, students and the loony left. think the majority who wear or choose not to wear the poppy never think about politics for this issue, but then somebody might be offended by it so lets ban anything that might offend some snowflake.

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Its a load of balls created by Snowflakes plus the Media that pick up on any old crap to create a stink, The Poppy has "NEVER" been a symbol of war, its to remember those who served and many who died so we could have the freedom we have today, theres a commemoration going on, where a German Mayor has come over to take part, as they also believe the real truth of what is being symbolised. those who say it symbolizes War are complete CRETINS, and personally i have no time at all for such BUMS.