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I'm curious as to what folks think on this matter. Who are your favorites? Is that from "historical slant?" Would Londoners have different choices?

Are there also accepted opinions as to who the worst was? Thanks for your sentiments on this matter. I'd like to have a better appreciation from an American's perspective!

Brian (Yay #500)

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Rindy!!!!!!
:)

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As your non-generic monarch?

Gosh, thanks.:rolleyes:

I'm a republican, and don't think we should have an unelected head of State. However, my favourite monarch has to be Queen Victoria.

It was in her reign that Britain boomed because of the industrial revolution. Though having a quarter of the globe as part of the British Empire, probably helped towards the great achievments that were advanced in that period too. We basically went from feudalism to industrialism in sixty odd years. Although there were many, many social problems in the Victorian era, 80,000 child prostitutes in London alone for instance, great inroads were made towards a better society. Education for the poor, workhouses for the destitute,who before would have starved, amongst two.

I also admire Queen Elizabeth the first, for her courage as a female monarch.

Come to think of it, I have a great deal of respect for any old Queen.:D

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Henry viii. he knew how to handle stroppy women.:D on a more serious note i side with rindy, victoria for me.

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we are not amused :D

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...and we had a great victory at Blenheim, under Queen Anne.

Then there was Queen Boudicca, fighting off those nasty Roman invaders, with swords fastened on to the wheels of her chariot, for extra impact.

We may not have had that many Queens in Britain, compared with Kings, but they certainly made their mark on our history.

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Yes Willow, that is what I was after.

Any thoughts on who the real bad Kings and Queens were? I guess I could say George III but that would be a selfish American statement. Plus I was fully British (except that bit of German) at the time of the rebellion!

Come on Accywebbers, all englishmen must have a thought on this!

Brian

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From an English woman's point of view, I would vote for Queen Elizabeth the first. The daughter of Henry the eighth and Anne Boleyn would have to have been a bit special and I reckon she was.

After having been 'cast out' by her father after her mother was beheaded and treated as a 'b.....' during her early years, she went on to rule the country well. Spanish Armada and all that.

Just my opinion.

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Queen Jane , (the nine day one) between Edward VI and Mary.

and who decided to rename Bodiceia with the ridiculous Boudicca :confused:

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Elvis & Elton..............

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king william...............:D:D

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I hope we never have to have Queen Cammilla!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I did think Elizabeth 1st was great....she realy was a king in a womans body..:rose8:

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Elizabeth I had Mary Queen of Scots executed right? I find that most interesting as they were cousins but they had never met. Also, wasn't Mary "a prisoner" for 10 years or so before the execution?

Brian

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Rather like the Queen we have now actually.

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no charlie getting too old now:D oh my gawd can you imagine her face on notes?? or would that be charlie's:rolleyes: :confused:

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I'm not a fan of royalty at all but I'm quite partial to George III. Of all the more recent royals he was the most noted for being kind to his subjects and he had the most "common touch". They say that if he had ever visited America there would never have been a revolution. I feel sorry for the man, with his mental problems, but how could you dislike a monarch who could have earnest conversations with a tree? Oops, forgot about Prince Charles - sorry, I'll have to have a rethink. :D

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Mary was related to the Tudors. Her grandmother was Margaret Tudor, Henry VIII's older sister. Margaret Tudor had married King James V of Scotland, and her son was Mary's father, James V. Henry VIII was thus her great Uncle, and she and Elizabeth were cousins.

http://www.elizabethi.org/us/queenofscots/

Elizabeth's father Henry VIII, was Mary Queen of Scot's great uncle, which makes Elizabeth and Mary second cousins...I think.

I like her because she granted a charter that founded my old school.:)

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Boudicca is her real name, queen of the Iceni which was most of Norfolk and parts of the rest of East Anglia, her husband was murdered and daughters raped by Romans, no wonder she wanted to cause havoc eveywhere. Norfolk'n'good.

She sacked the Romans from Colchester, St Albans and the rip-off that is Larrndun.

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Old Queen Victoria. She was on the throne for some of the best and worst or civilisation at the time. Industrial expansion that put Great in Great Britain but also the carry on and little wars on the Indian subcontinant. Foolish bravery as in the charge of the Light Brigade.

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Best value for money has to be Richard 1 (The Lionheart or Coeur de Lion). He was a King and a Queen (allegedly).

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My fav has to be Elizabeth I, especially Miranda Richardsons version:D

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Queen Elizabeth II Think she done a good job so far :)

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Your in luck Granny, we never will have a Queen Camilla.:D Doesn't quite sound right does it?? lol.

From BBC Website........

Charles had previously announced that Camilla would be known as Princess Consort, not Queen. She will also be called Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Cornwall. Legally, she will be the Princess of Wales, but will not use the title.

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Henry V for just for bashing the French at Agincourt....Edward 1st for making the Welsh and Jocks behave themselves! :D
The worst.. Charles 1st, 2nd and another Stuart..James 1st

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I had forgotten about this post!

Thanks for all the contributions. Mancie appreciate you going back into English History for both your favs and not so favs.!

I'm curious, with such a long history, do you guys believe many English students are taught an accurate history of the Royals or a slanted view from English Historians?

Brian

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In Global Trivia, had a question of the most gruesome Royal execution. I believe it is said that it took 15 hacks to get Mary, Queen of Scots, head off. Can that truly be? Wouldn't that have to have been purposeful?

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The worst forms of execution were carried out on the general population... Royals were allowed to be killed a more dignified manner. There is the case of Edward 2nd... executed (or murdered) by having a red hot poker shoved up the jacksey!

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Forgive my ignorance but was Mary Queen of Scots not considered a Royal nor Edward II as noted above?? Or are you saying that the general public received even worse treatment.

Brian

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Mary and Edward were both Royals...I don't think it took 15 attempts with the axe to de-capitate her.. maybe 2 or 3. When I say the Royals and Lords were allowed a dignified execution I meant they would have a supposedly quick death i.e have the head chopped off, as compared to being hung drawn and quartered or burnt at the stake.
King Edward 2nd was not executed officially... he was killed while imprisoned.

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I don't know about now, but I was taught very little Royal history at school. What I know now, I read about and researched myself. I know more about Roman Britain, or the Industrial Revolution, than I do about the Plantagenets.

Though being a republican I'd be happy for all monarchist knowledge to be confined to history.

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He was supposedly given 'the horn' first.;):D


In September 1327, a knight named Gurney joined Lord Maltravers as gaoler. They inserted a straight cow horn with the point removed into Edward's anus, then a red hot iron was pushed through the cow horn and into the body, burning out his entrails. This killed him while leaving no marks on his body, making it appear as if he had died of natural causes.

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ooh my god ,i would rather have my head chopped off..:behead:

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That's what I get for pressing my curiousity! That's awful but kinda interesting if actually historical!

Brian

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I am with you granny

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Does this come with chips?

And my vote. William 1V.

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I must say our queen has done a sterling job,, but how do you follow that..?I think Princess Anne would be a much better Monarch than any of her brothers...

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I agree Granny..our present Queen has upheld her dignity through thick and thin.. never waverd.
Imagine a life when you can never have a few drinks.. never cry.. never let your feelings known.. never show any hint of weakness.. never be impolite..never show grief.. allways face the world head on?
This Queen should be marked down alongside Victoria and Elizabeth 1st as a Queen who did her duty as she saw it!

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I am anti-monarchy in principle, but if I had to say I liked any of them I would pick Charles II - there was a chap who knew how to have FUN (we paid for it) After the extreme puritian republicanism dished up by Oliver Cromwell, he must have seemed like a breath of fresh air.

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Yeah great fun had by all margaret :rolleyes: apart from the great plague,the fire of London, and the fact that he left his thrown to his manic depressed brother.. must have been fun times:)

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I watched the Helen Mirren film The Queen this weekend, and it's made me more of a Republican than ever. All that walking backwards out of the room, because you can't turn your back on the monarch, how ridiculous, especially when it's our elected Prime Minister who is doing the backwards shuffle.

A nice enough woman, and if the majority of people had voted her to be our Head of State, I'd have no argument with her, but all that annointed as God's representative on Earth, is a load of old tosh in my opinion.

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The best argument for a heriditary head of state: George W. Bush. Eilzabeth Windsor is head of state of Canada. Don't find too many people over here who want to change that (outside of la belle province that is). Think of the economic benefits; how many tourists would flock to England to see the pomp,cicumstance, and palace of President Smith?

Many of the values that people in this group seem to want to preserve ... things that are slipping away ... would disappear faster without the monarchy.

Ancient Canadian saying: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

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Well that's fine and dandy, but would you stand, when told to do so, when the Queen's cousin's wife, Princess Michael of Kent, entered a room? As we were asked to do, when I was sat directly behind her at a concert at the Barbican in London. (I didn't stand by the way.) All that silly protocol should be consigned to the history books.

To me respect is something you earn, and not something which is just a result of the lottery of your birth.

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It's not the person that one should respect so much as the office. I have no respect for George W., but I do respect the office of the President of the United States. When Bill Clinton was trying to convince the world that a blow job was not sex, an American friend of mine told me that he did not object to Bill screwing a 22 yr. old, but he did object to his doing it (her) in the White House. He said "Damn it all, the White House is MY house; it's the house of every American"! I think his comment is relevant to the argument. Respect for symbols is important. In some significant ways symbols are the fabric of a nation, not merely empty protocols.
The American Presidency is not a hereditary office, but it is like one in the sense that it has a continuity independent of those who hold the office or of the political parties that contend for it.
Canadians, the majority of them at least, respect the office of the Govenor General, the Queen's Viceroy. The present Govenor General, is Michaelle Jean. Originally from Haiiti, she is doing a hell of a fine job. But when people stand when she enters a room, they are standing not for her, but for the office.

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Well said , agree 100% , this is why society is in such a sad state , everyone wants to play by their own rules , and sod everyone else.