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My fella used to work in a a slaughter house, he says they stun the animal, and slit it!

cows get a bolt through the head, so i presume they die quick!, the reason why they stun em and then cut em is so the heart is still pumping so the blood drains quicker.
Halal way, they just do some sort of prayer then slit the throat, i dont think they even stun em!
did ya not watch kill it, cook it, eat it, willow?

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Willow, my Daughter used to work in a meat processing company that had an abbattoir attached...she was originally enlisted to supervise the kills, but took on the Quality control instead.
I am almost sure that she said the animals were killed by bolts(after they had been stunned)....and that it was vital for the animals to be kept calm before they were killed...otherwise the meat would be tough.
I know that all the kills are supervised by a vet.

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my wendymum used to work at one.....she said they stun and skin the cows while they are still alive cos it makes better leather..... she told me horrible things and i turned vegetarian for years!!

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Cows are received by truck or rail from a ranch, farm, or feedlot.
Cows are herded into holding pens.
Cows receive a preslaughter inspection.
Cows are usually knocked unconscious by applying an electric shock of 300 volts and 2 amps to the back of the head, effectively stunning the animal. If unsuccessful, secondary methods include the use of a captive bolt pistol to the front of the cow's head. Livestock are also rendered unconscious by pneumatic or cartridge-fired captive bolt stunning and CO2/inert gas stunning. (This step is prohibited under strict application of Halal and Kashrut codes.)
Animals are hung upside down by one of their hind legs on the processing line.
The main arteries and veins are severed with a knife, mainly in the neck, and the cow's blood drains, causing death through exsanguination.
The hide/skin/plumage is removed by down pullers, side pullers and fisting off the pelt (sheep and goats)
The internal organs are removed and inspected for internal parasites and signs of disease. The guts, referred to as viscera, are separated for inspection from the heart and lungs, referred to as the "pluck." Livers are separated for inspection, tongues are dropped or removed from the head, and the head is sent down the line on the head hooks or head racks for inspection.
The carcass is inspected by a government inspector for safety.
Carcasses are subjected to intervention to reduce levels of bacteria. Common interventions are steam, hot water, and organic acids. Carcasses are chilled to prevent the growth of microorganisms and to reduce meat deterioration while the meat awaits distribution.
The chilled carcass is broken down into subprimals and primals for boxed meat unless customer specifies for swinging sides of meat. Beef and horse carcasses are always split in half and then quartered, pork is split into sides only and goat/veal/mutton and lamb is left whole
The remaining carcass may be further processed to extract any residual traces of meat, usually termed mechanically recovered meat, which may be used for human or animal consumption.
Waste materials such as lard or tallow, are sent to a rendering plant.
The waste water, consisting of blood and fecal matter, generated by the slaughtering process is sent to a waste water treatment plant.
The meat is transported to distribution centers that then distribute to retail markets.

this is what i found on the web, but not 100% sure whether its british law, but its close enough;)

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Yes Panther, it was mainly cows where my daughter worked...they did do pigs and sheep and you are right they are stunned and then bled.

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yep panther..............thats what did it lol

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and its someones job to remove cow foetus' as well.............

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Surprisingly enough, I do. I don't know the "science" behind it, but in order for the meat to taste "right" the animal has to be bled immediately after slaughter, preferably if the heart is still beating so that the blood is pumped out ... in some cases the blood is kept in order to make bloudin (blood pudding, or as you know it, black pudding). When hunting deer or moose for example, the animal must be field dressed ... this involves a convenient tree on which to hand the animal ... head to the ground ... then the throat is cut, and next the guts are dropped out. I sometimes helped a freind of mine in Saskatchewan butcher his beef ... you imagine a line from the left ear to the right eye, and from the right ear to the left eye, and at where the two intersect you fire a .22 short shell, which will stun the animal ... then you attach chains to the hind legs, hook it up to a front end loader, lift it, and slit the throat ... simple, the way things are done in the country .... with wild meat, deer is the best example, it is best to shoot the animal when it is standing ... if the animal is started, and it runs, the pounding of the heart pumps the blood into the muscle, and this spoils the meat ...

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I thought they only used bulls! emamum

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What a pleasant thread this is, just before me tea ... :rolleyes:

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hope that wasn't too much info .... :eek:

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Hope you aren't having balck pudding for tea Kate.

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What a great thread..reminds me why i have been Vegetarian for 19 years.....!

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Very rarely do they use bulls .... steers or spayed heifers are the usual victims .... most male animals are castrated just after birth, or at 8 months or so, this latter requires skill and daring because a 600 lb animal does not enjoy having it's nuts sliced off ... bulls, when they are no longer useful for breeding, are slaughtered, but the meat is poor quality, and usually ends up as bologna, which is why they are sometimes referred to as "bologna bulls." .... hamburgers anyone:dancedog: .... got some bambi burgers in my freezer if anyone is interested:alright:

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My hubby worked in a stockyard in Oz(attached to an abbattoir)...and he used to bring baby lambs home(mothers slaughtered...but lambs born).....he would rent them out to the neighbours to keep their grass short.....then they would go to the stockyard and they would be slaughtered and be divided up among the neighbours.
It sounds a cruel thing but it is the way it is.

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I read somewhere, quite recently, that the majority of meat served in restaurants and sold through supermarkets is halal. That certainly backs up what you heard Willow. It was also a topic for discussion on Radio 4 recently too.

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Actually, do have a slice of black pudding in the freezer that needs eating .. yummy. Nah, think I will have chicken now and try not think about their innards ... LOL.

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Isn't it hon ... but it tastes so much better when you have killed it yourself:D

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ooo i could just eat a black pud, with loads of mustard
a blend of onions, pork fat, oatmeal, flavourings - and blood (usually from a pig)...yummy:p

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No, couldn't eat them. I used to work for a butcher many years ago, and one of the assistants used to have fresh black pudding(hot and steaming, freshly delivered by Tattersalls) with a good smear of picalilli.

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Served with a fresh muffin ... might get one this week, haven't had one for ages.

Is this a thread wander ? .. sorry.

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That's why some Muslims and Jews (I'm not 100% but I think it's mostly people of Jewish faith) who keep trying to object to the law in the UK that the animal must be stunned first. According to their belief, it should be slit whilst alive so that the heart continues to pump the blood out of the body.

I've also been told that this is one reason why pigs/pork is not eaten by muslims - apart from religious connotations the pig doesn't have a neck and so there is no way of slitting it's neck properly. I'm happy to be corrected if I've misunderstood.

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can i have mine with bacon and mushrooms please? :D

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in accy slaughterhouse used to be bolt fer cattle, stun n slit fer sheep.;)

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Where was the Abbatoir in Ozzy Margaret or did you mean Oz?

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Found this in wikipedia...;)
Qur'an prohibits pig consumption
One example of verses from the Qur'an on pig consumption:
Qur'an 16:115.
He has only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and any (food) over which the name of other than Allah has been invoked. But if one is forced by necessity, without willful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Qur'an 2:173.
He hath only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of Allah. But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- then is he guiltless. For Allah is Oft-forgiving Most Merciful. Muslims consider the eating of pork to be forbidden, with a limited exception to avoid starvation. The Islamic taboo tends to come under scrutiny in places where it is not common, especially when it interferes with those who are unaware or do not follow it. In many cases, the prohibition is extended from consumption to the handling of pork products, creating issues in grocery, shipping, and restaurant environments.

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I meant in Australia bonnyboy...it was a long time ago now.....he was 14(you could start work in Australia at 14 then)...he's 65 now......so it is a bloomin' long time ago.

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You are right Cashy...I worked there for my stepfather when meat came off ration....I was fifteen at the time....many moons ago.
Cattle shot with captive bolt and then blead. Pigs, sheep and lambs and veal calves...stunned and blead.
All animals were led in individually from the attached pens.

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jesus who died and made that looney god lol,i think whoever wrote down those rules was a pig lover and decided to throw in his own rules:rolleyes:

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also according to those rules listed that muslim mother whos kid accidently ate ham on a piza at school last year had no right to complain as it was accidently consumed and is covered in those rules

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Leather does not come from cows.

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it comes from DFS :D

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I bet you are sorry you asked this question now Willow:D

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I dunno ... makes me feel like grabbing my gun and going out to kill something for supper (that would be tea in your uncivilised land). Pity it's not hunting season:eek: I suppose I could throw a line in the lake or in the Cataraqui River (great bass fishing) and catch something to eat.:cool:

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Where does it come from then? :confused:

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Probably from all those bums wiped with Izal toilet paper:eek: Now that is cross threading:D

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Leather is a material created through the tanning of hides and skins of animals, primarily cattlehide. The tanning process converts the putrescible skin into a durable, long-lasting and versatile natural material for various uses.
Just looked it up because i was sure leather came from cows and found this hope it helps!

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up scotland they dont get leather from cows

they get it from cooows :)

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Leather comes from sheep - Hide comes from cows.

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I thought the hide that comes from the cows was what leather was made from?!

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Now I think I'ts you that has been at the rum? :p

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Leather can come from a few animals, am guessing its what the "processed hide" is called, but back when I used to work in furniture, when a hide was requested from a supplier then it was always from a coz, never had a sheep hide before


but saying that, i do have a nice lamb skin rug :D

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Sheepskin...........Suede.

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Pigskin is used too - recognisable by the tiny holes where hair bristles were

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And what do they get from sheep:confused: Love and companionship:confused::hidewall:

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thats the welsh and the yorkshire folk ;)

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I knew about the Yorkshire folk ... doesn't everyone:D But the Welsh:confused:

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A big juicy leg of lamb:p(if its young enough, otherwise mutton);)

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what a load of bull :D
:do-one:

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You familiar with the saying "Mutton dressed as lamb." :confused: My mom once used it to describe someone she despised.:D

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Or maybe someone she was jealous of .. ;)

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That's how I can be described at the moment...shorts and flip flops.
I have only to guess who is the She you are referring to? apart from Eric's Mum.?

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Willow i spoke with my daughter today and she confirmed that post number 5 is spot on.......post number 8 though is not right.......if a cow is going to be sent for slaughter then the farmer will not have that cow 'served'...and many cows are done artificially these days so that the farmer knows when they are due to calve with more accuracy......it is uncommon for bulls to be allowed access to cows in an unsupervised manner when the natural method is used.
Therefore no cow should be in calf when sent for slaughter.

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Not my favourite picture of male aura Royboy, just hope the flip-flops aren't rubber either ...:D

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its one of the things that really afected my mum and it does happen..sorry......

http://www.medialens.org/articles/th...way_lives.html

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I know when my hubby worked in the stockyard(many years ago) it used to happen.....but daughter assures me that she never saw anything like that whilst she worked in the trade.....and for the reasons given. In any case you would dispose of the internal organs(those which cannot be used) without opening the uterus to find out....the internal organs are sprayed with indelible dye so that they cannot be used for human consumption.

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I am only reporting back what I was informed.

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No.....bought in Darwen two weeks ago for two quid...very comfortable.

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How right you are Willow...I used to sell belts of different qualities and it depends where the leather is cut from in the hide..The only leather for belts comes from the hides of cattle, unless the customer stipulates snakeskin or the like. Most belts and leather saddles are made from cattle hides...there is no difference apart from customer preference if the product is made from the hide of a cow or a bull.

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I'll go for that :)

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The point I was trying to make was that if you buy a jacket that is described as being made of hide it will have more than likely come from a cow or bull.If however it's described as leather it is likely to have come from a sheep or even a goat.:o

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Thats me educated!
You learn something new every day!

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...... that too:D

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