Cromwell. sinner or saint?
 

Oliver Cromwell took over this nation and hacked off the Kings head.but his body was dug up and scatterd... now he was not perfect but do you.. or anybody think the man should be given more respect?

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Nah, just an early incarnation of "Nu- labour" ......think history records him as destroying the State religion ( banning Christmas/Easter ) etc. much like the Nu Labour Stasi have destroyed British traditional society .......lets be honest ....who would/do you trust more .......Jack Straw or HRH Prince Charles ( ok, admit he can be a bit eccentric at times, but he has no political agenda) to look after your traditional British values ..........;)....:confused:....:rolleyes:

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You've fallen into that one Steeljack... you must be even more bored than I am.. but so you would rather have an unelected Royal Family decide what taxes are paid and how those taxes are spent.. seems strange coming from a rebel colonist! :)

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no , just have a problem with carpet baggers of undertemiate eastern european origins who claim the name of 14 cent. English rebels and then profess to represent English values
Jack Straw (rebel leader - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

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And there's me thinking Tony and Gordon were British:D

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if my memory serves me well
he didnt do a very good job across in ireland
:dflam:

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Oliver is quite well regarded in this area, which was a Parliamentarian stronghold. There's a big statue of him in front of the Warrington Guardian office in the town centre and, next door to Sainsburys, there's an old timber framed cottage that used to be called "Cromwell's cottage" but is now just "The Cottage" - since it became an Indian restaurant. He's supposed to have stayed there for a while. Presumably he wsn't eating curries at the time.

Saint or sinner? I think he sincerely believed in his cause and there was some justification in deposing the king (killing him, however, was an unjustifiable fit of pique). I think the era of puritanism Cromwell brought in was stifling and, if I'd been around then, I'd have been glad to see Charles II bring a bit of bawdiness back......but, then, that's just me! :D

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There was a pub in Blackburn named The Cromwell....anyone know where it was?

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cromwell avenue in accy tooo.the thing is he was a bit silly as well .when the scottish covenanters sided with cromwell and kidnapped king james and asked for a ransom they collected the ransom but let him go..for a small fee as well..:Dbut he still asked for their /our support when fighting against the royalists..:)and i.e. dont believe all in the history books because its well knowne they were distorted to discredit the parliamentarians....and british history..

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Didn't realise yer were that old Beechy.:D:D;)

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For a few quid I may be able to get yoiu an interview with Mancie.
A think a bottle of Bells might win the day.:mosher::mosher::mosher:

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Well thats a lot of history degrees down the pan, all this time and it was the old wives tales which were the truth after all :D

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Which King James was that then? James I (VI of Scotland) was dead and James II (later deposed) was Charles II's younger brother and reigned long after Cromwell's death.

Where is the distortion? The dates of battles, the trial and execution of Charles I and the period of Parliamentary rule are factual. Laws passed under Cromwell's "reign" are documented. I don't think Parliamentarians are discredited at all, just castigated for the unnecessary act of regicide of Charles I. Had they not done that, alienating many on both sides of the civil war, the monarchy would probably never have been restored.

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He should not be forgiven for popularising the mullet.