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Can anybody tell me the name of the street that the original Yate's Wine Lodge was on in Blackburn

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It seems to have been on somet called Barbary Coast?
Dunno if thats a st name or just a stretch of pubs.... but....

Here:

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ast-18175.html

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I'm thinking it was Market St. Ran between Northgate and King William St.
Ribblesdale pub opposite at one end and the old Market Hall at the other

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Church Street

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I thought it was Church Street too, Flashy.

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Flashy, that was the new/2nd location they moved there after the shopping center was built , rubbish compared to the original , ;)

I'm going back to the early 70s

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Lord St?

Ran between the chippy and old tsb bankl?

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ohhhhhhhhhh, i wasnt born then :D

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yer talking the sawdust on the floor days, ferget the street name, but the "Sun" thwaites house was just above n the "Swan" duttons house just above that on the corner, if any of those pubs are still standing- thats yer street! street names where useless after a few white wines.:D;)

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Cashy, I've got it in my mind it was on a street over from the Sun and Swan , Johnny Forbes sports shop on one end (Northgate) and Burtons at the other end (King William St. ). Got to nearly 40 years since I was last in , so the mind might be playing tricks :eek: ;)

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was just a couple of doors below the "Sun" on the same street/road, defo, was well trashed in those days, but remember going in when i was ejected from the "Sun" one night, n ya had to be real classy to get chucked out of there.:D

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Forceten , you were right Lord st ..This Is Lancashire - Mystery of old Yates's Wine Lodge

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I remember a shopping arcade Victorian style where my mum once bought me a hat. It was near a large cobbled open market area where my uncle had a stall selling army surplus stuff.
It is difficult to think where on the map it was -somewhere under the now demolished Arndale is the best I can do.

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The TSB bank is on Lord Street.....The NALGO Club was on the corner leading onto Cardwell Place.....Haworth and Nutall solicitors is facing the TSB but I cannot for the life of me recall Yates's on that stretch?

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i'm useless with streets, but i sure as hell know where yates was.:confused:

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I'm sure it was up/down a side street somewhere near the Sun and Swan. It used to be our first stop when we went to Blackburn Cashy for a dock of Aussie White.

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I'm like you cashy, used to meet there before going to work at the Cav, a couple of docs of Aussie White put you in good stead for the night:D

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Church St, just down fron the Swan...

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good man, bin saying that fer hours.:) just street name i didn't know;)

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This does say Lord Street. I am pretty sure it wasn't actually on Church Street but on a side street off Church Street, somewhere round the Sun and Swan

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The original was on Lord Street. It was the original you were asking about wasn't it Jeff?

It moved to Church street, on the corner later.

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Although not quite old enough to remember it I believe the old Victorian arcade was on the site of the now Mall with its entrance somewhere near where the delivery area is now sited on Church St

Edit: Cottontown.org has some old pictures of the entrance to Thwaites Arcade and looks to be more or less where I said - just opposite the Pavilion Buildings

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i cannot fer the life of me ever believe it was on Lord St. i reckon whoever made that web link used duff info.:confused:

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I am sure Bob Dobson did a book on Old Pubs of Blackburn. I bet he would know

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I only know one thing it wasn't that far from Lords Square, I mean a couple of minutes walk max

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Cashy , I thinking your getting Yates wine lodge mixed up with 'Soames' /'Sames' vault

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now that just could be mate, was a very confusing era.:D;)

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You are right...Sames' Vaults was the small beer house two or three doors down from the Sun on 'Higher Church Street'.
I was wrong about the TSB being on Lord Street....the TSB is on Lord Street West. Lord Street and Lord Street West are separated by the entrance to Northgate.
The TSB was the old Trustee savings Bank.
Haworth and Nutall and the Old Nalgo Club are also on Lord Street West.
There is no reference to Lord Street in either the 1901 or 1891 census but there is reference to Lord Street West.

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thats my trouble was too rat arsed to remember streets lol, i still know where yates was but buggered if i know the street.:D

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OK Draw me a map.....come out of the Sun or the Swan, Dunne Horse, or Old Bank and go on from there?

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The little crooked street at the top of Church st. where the Sun and Swan (on left side) was Astley Gate (I think ) Sames Vault was on the opposite side, if you carried on, it then it took a 'dog- leg" to the top of King st. and Northgate was on your right (heading to the Police Station) . Heading along Northgate, a couple of streets went off to your right and went thru to King William st. and the original Yates wine lodge was on one of those , cant remember if it was before or after the Dun Horse ( I thought the Dun Horse was higher up, nearer to and more opposite the Police station , but before you got to the old Co-op emporium ).

slight wander...think the Dun Horse was " Gods waiting room" for the old prossies coming to the end of their working lives :eek:

Hope that made sense , cause now I'm getting confused :D ;)

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assuming i got wires crossed n twas " Sames" just below the sun carry on down,n just past "Darwen St" on right hand side going down, near enough across from woolies corner.i reckon.

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bloody hell, just seen steeljacks post n now think i'm still rat arsed from 65.:D

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if you were coming out of the Sun /Swan and walking down to Woolies corner on Church st. that was the New/replacement Yates Wine lodge , not the original one . :D :D

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was but they'd always give ya a fag if yer were bout.:D;)

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they used to scare the B'jesus out of me , I was young and innocent in them days :D

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The Dunne Horse is on Mincing Lane as is the Old Bank.
Margo's folly is at the top of Higher Church Street.
The Swan has gone but the Sun is still there.
Going straight on from Mincing Lane will take you to the TSB Bank on Lord Street West.
The only Streets that leads on to King William Street from Northgate are at the back end of Marks and Sparks and the street that runs down from the library.....I think we may be getting closer?

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slight wander whilst were in the area, the "Mirabelle" was down one of those streets,but which?

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Cashy...you are miles off......Mirabelle was on Randal Street.
If you focus on Tony's Empress Ballroom you would be in the right area. :)

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was it not one of them up be marks n sparks?:confused:

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Well then , that street which runs down from the Library is Town Hall St. (Tonys Ballroom used to be there , opposite a Lion pub , think it was the Queens) the old movie house Essoldo was at the bottom
thought the street near Marks and Sparks was Market st , but seem to remember Burtons being on that corner , and thats the street where I remembered Yates as being .
I dont remember the Dun Horse being on Mincing lane , where was it in relation to the Wheatsheaf ? and what pub am I thinking of then, on Northgate accross from the Police station (Not the Ribblesdale ) .

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wheatsheaf was a thwaites house just around corner from mecca, the Dun Horse was further up on otherside of road. wrong again lol that was the Old Bank, Dun Horse was just off one of them off mincing lane on a corner.

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Oh my the old blackburn drinking days came back. gawd Ive had some brilliant days and nights out around there. Barbary coast. although steered clear of the old bank. oh wow all the prosis used that one / Only went in once and omg it scared me to death.
swan, sun and the one next door. what was it called?
yates was on the corner was nt it as you were going to the cavindish. thats the only one I rem.

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OK that is it. I am going on top of my book shelves to see if I can retrieve Bob's book on old Blackburn pubs. If I hurt my back pulling heavy boxes down I shall hold Cashman personally responsible!

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This thread has certainly caused a debate, think the reason no one can quite recall where Yates was is we must all have been P***** in those days:D

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Well that went easier than I thought and I am still in one piece!!
In 1893 the following are listed:

Swan Inn, 3 and 5 Astley Gate

Sun Inn, 1 Astley GAte

Lower Sun Inn, 4 Church St

Dun Horse Inn 13 Market St Lane (where it is today)

Crown Inn , 9 Cardwell Place

Old Bank Hotel, 6 Mincing Lane (the present site of Margots Folly?)

Lots of other pubs too numerous to mention but no Yates Wine Lodge, maybe it was after this time?

Info from Blackburn's Old Inns by George C Miller, published by Landy Publishing in 1993

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I think I have found it from an old map. Go up Church Street, turn right on King William Street, first left Lord Street and it was on the left hand side.
Attachment 12597

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The only pub listed, that might be relevant, on my 1893 list for Lord St is Britania Inn, 33 and 35 Lord St
I wonder if this later became the Yates Wine Lodge. What year are we talking?

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c1960..........I think we should be looking at the Slot Machine place at the back of Nat West Bank (New Market Street).
Halifax (Ex Burtons) is on one corner Nat West on the other.
The George and Dragon was at the top of the Street at the Northgate end opposite the Ribblesdale.

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Was there the Legs A Man, and the Merchant around that area, I remember all the rest. The one accross from Tony's Ballroom and was next door to what was once the Co-op Emporium which is now the library was it the Oueens.

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Alan , your a diamond , :D think that was the Lion pub on the street behind to Cashys less salubrious haunts, (the Sun and the Swan,) going onto Fleming square where the Knife shop (Little Sheffield) was , I've been wracking my brains over this thread and the location of places , had the Dun Horse confused with the George and Dragon etc.

just hope one day I don't end up with sodding alziemers and start wandering around Northern California in my pyjamas asking directions to the Black Abbey :eek: :eek:

re. the Merchant .......seem to remember going in there when I was about 16/17 it had a reputation as a 'gay" (not called that in those days) pub and we (a bunch of lads from Ossy and Accy) wanted to see what 'they' looked like :eek: .

( note to younger Accy-webbers, this was in the days when Gays didn't exist, apart from a certain Clayton club owner who your parents told you to stay clear of , but not why ) :D :D

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That map cleared my memory - the 'white patch' top right is where the cobbled open air market was

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What a great thread - it's really reawakened a lot of memories for me from the 60's and 70's. The Merchants was a regular port of call for me (but only for the beer!). Can't remember exactly where it was now; I know it was on Darwen Street somewhere and it wasn't too far from the Boulevard, as we used to have the final hour in there, before rushing off for the Accy bus. Another one I used to patronise on the same street was the very appropriately-named Boilermakers Arms!

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the merchants was on darwen st at the corner by the traffic lights, further up towards the now "arndale" was the County - lion house which a certain MR Cotton used to frequent he was not a man to mess with if you valued yer teeth, just up a few doors from the county, was the legs of man. think theres only the general post office left on that block from back then.:)

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I remember Bob Cotton from when we lived in Blackburn, many moons ago.
My ex was always getting on the wrong side of him, and recall him coming to our door several times asking for him. Scary guy. Just one of the many reasons my ex has been so for 25 years. :D

Used to go in the Merchants late 60s/early 70s. I remember Ken Pilling. If I recall he later took another pub on the boulevard.

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was talking to a guy in spain,last october cazzer, Bob is apparently in very poor health these days, yer ex could not have been the brightest bulb on the street, Bob certainly was not a man to get wrong side of once, never mind always.:D;) may have seen ya late 60s,used to go in merchants every friday night around 10-00 n sit up on the little balcony bit n watch fer the drunken knobs to come in n start taking the mick out of Ken.Sharon,Pearl, n Beaky, was hilarious watching Ken whizz em through the door. pmsl

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He was one of his "money lending clients" Lost count of the things that had to be sold to keep up with his debts.:(

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ah that explains it.;)

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From the Merchants you just nipped down Dandy Walk to the Boulevard Wynonie, did it many a time. Used to go in the Merch on a friday night when Ken Pilling had it, that was some experiance I can tll you., Pearl was a sight to behold:D

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If I remember rightly wasn't the Legs of Man an Ale House cashy?

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Ken had the Wheatsheaf on Mincing Lane for a while and then The Adelphi on the boulevard.

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Ya Roy, but he made his name in the Merchants in the early seventies, I actually got to know Ken quite well whilst I worked at the Cav, he used to come in after the pub had closed, was one of the fittest blokes going in those days, would think nothing about vaulting the bar if there was any bother in his pub, and banging heads together, a very ard man was our Ken

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ex army PTI, or so the legend went.;)

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If you get on to the Cotton town website and type in Astley Gate the photos are fantastic, take you back there. let us know what you think.

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He was cashy, he might have batted for the other side, but I certainly wouldn't have crossed him, he was one hard man believe me

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I have just been talking to a local historian who tells me that Yates's Wine Lodge was originally on Lord St, the exact location being somewhere near the car park ramp next to Debenhams. Apparently it was previously called the Britannia Inn
There is certainly a Britannia Inn listed for 1893 at 33 and 35 Lord St.
He also said that that latter on Yates opened an eating house on Northgate though this has since been demolished.

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thanks fer that polly, interesting.:)

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If you go to cotton town page and type in Lord St, theres a photo of the old Grovsner pub, with the Arcade next door.

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There's a server error at the moment Alan for this site, can't get on it .. :(

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Its a great site for old photos Kate, just type in any street in Blackburn Centre and see what comes up. When its back on line.

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Will do ... not that I frequented of these pubs in my youth Alan ...:D

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need to contact any regulars of the wheatsheaf when ken was landlord .i have lost the address of stephen cahill and david. they moved to manchester and then to london. i get christmas cards every year and hate not being able to reply. please please please help if you can kath

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I'm a little late joining this topic (only a couple of years late). You're right, the old Yates was towards the top of Lord Street. It was sort of opposite Johnny Forbes (sportswear) shop. It was a little lower down than where the ramp is now. It was more where Debenhams windows are. The Grosvenor was lower down, closer to Victoria Street (as you say). There was also the (old) Clarence on Lord Street, on the opposite side to the Grosvenor. When they demolished those properties on that side of the street to build one of the phases of the shopping precinct, they then put the (new) Clarence in there. It had the balcony that overlooked Lord Square.

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You're thinking of Sames's Vault, it is still there below The Sun, but now has another name Arena Sports Bar.

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They were the same pub Polly. I have an old directory from 1894 (just a year after the Old Inns list) and it is listed in there as Yates Bros 33/35 Lord Street.
Blackburn also had a Britannia Inn on the bottom end of Penny Street, which disappeared in the early 1900's (that's also listed in the Old Inns book).

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If any of you folks are interested, a few of us have spent the last 18 months or so trying to get a photo of every Blackburn pub there ever was. Just go onto Facebook and search for a group called ''Blackburn Pubs (Past & Present)'' We've done pretty well so far, but there's still the elusive 100 or so that we haven't got (the old Wine Lodge on Lord Street being one of those).

If you have any photos of the old Wine Lodge, we would love to include it ;)


We have all the others you mention, Grosvenor, Sun, Swan, Clarence, Queens, Dun Horse, Castle, Old Bank, Merchants, Legs 'O Man, Wheatsheaf, Ribblesdale, George & Dragon.

Also have a look at my site sometime BLACKBURN PAST I have a few pubs and pub related photos on there. Have a look under 'Miscellaneous' too, as there's a couple of slide shows I put together and there's a few of the old pubs crop up on those.

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Thanks for that, I keep having a look at

Lost Pubs In Blackburn, Lancashire

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Ahh yer right mate, was never very sober in those days.:D:D

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That's a different one Wadey. We have migrated some of the images off the Facebook group onto there, but there some we haven't, as that only lists the Blackburn pubs that have closed. we have a lot of photos (old and new) of pubs that are still open, though admittedly, they're getting fewer by the month.

This link should take to you too the Facebook group (hopefully)
Blackburn & District Pubs (Past & Present) | Facebook

There's lots of discussions below many of the photos, you don't get that on the Lost Pubs project.

Cheers

Colin

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If you stop my little slide show on 1.53 there's a shot of Lord Street (viewed from Northgate). On the left is Johnny Forbes outfitters and on the right, but sadly not in shot, was Yates. Johnny Forbes in later times became the Job Centre (not sure what it is now) and as a few of you have mentioned, the car park ramp and Debenham's windows are now sort of where Yates was.

YouTube - Blackburn images (1963) - Don't Let The Sun Catch You Crying by Gerry & The Pacemakers

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cheers mate great footage, brought back memories, particularly the "Ribblesdale" which me owd mate "Leo" had back then.:)

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I used to call in the Ribblesdale for a pint before popping of to work at the Cav:D

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I remember the name Leo from the Rib, but can't picture him. We only used to go in at the weekends though. The George & Dragon is also in the same photo you mention of the Ribblesdale (it's now the loading bay area for M & S)

I saw an article in the Telegraph the other night about the Queens in Accy being turned into a doctors surgery. Nice job by the look of it. The ex pubs in Blackburn have either been left to rot or turned into private houses. Can't say I ever went in the Queens but it looked a grand building.

If you follow my Youtube link, it should take you to another similar slide show I made. Or just type in Blackburn Easter 1963 (In My Life by The Beatles)

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cheers will do, can remember a funny story about those 2 pubs, was 1970 n we had been watching England get knocked out of world cup, a mate who had tears streaming down his face,got up left the ribb, n went across the road to the George @ Dragon, apparently he went straight up to the piano @ pulled the strings out of it, cos it was German.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Cashy, seem to remember that one of the pubs opposite the Wine Lodge had a piano raised up on a wall?
Sure I saw that on a pub crawl as the Tech Xmas holidays started one year - think I got the bus home to Church:confused::confused::confused:

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Think that was Samses Vaults Barrie, there was a raised piano so you weren't that blotto mate

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Wow , Cashy , thats a name from the past , his wife's name was Peg / Peggy (a Geordie), Leo was ex Blackburn Police. another ex Little Harwooder , same generation as Jack Walker and Fred Skinner and mi Dad , used to 'play-out' with his kids (2 boys) when I was a tyke 5 or 6 yrs old

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me memories not what it was mate, but can always remember Leo, he was a top geezer, one of the best landlords i ever came across,bit strict but 100% fair,great sense of humour.;)

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By that I take it he never bared ya then cashy:D

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nope was never barred, but once got a "Public Warning":D

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Makes a change just a yellow instead of a red card cashy:D

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Colin, thanks for the links

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Thanks for the photos, I didn't often venture into Blackburn but when I worked for Batty Holts tours our depot was at the bottom of Pump street and the Pump House was our usual lunch time haunt when we wasn't on tour. Many a time the traffic manager would come in to drag us out at 2pm so we could get our coaches ready for the next tour. Steeljacks dad was one of us and he never seemed to fall down after a lunch of whisky. This, by the way, was around 1966/7

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You're welcome sir !

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I've just stuck a dozen photos of the 1951 carnival on my site Gremlin and they were all taken on Whalley Banks pretty close to the Pump House. You can see the pub in a couple of the photos. Mind you it's the older pub. I'm not sure when it was demolished and the later Pump House built (late 50's maybe?). The later pub has just been demolished a couple of weeks ago.

I was still at junior school in 1967 ;-)

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Ah nout but a lad then:D