Originally Posted by planetsusie (Post 693935)

Gosh Margaret didnt realise this had damaged my daughter so much!
Hell hope she doesnt resent n berated me forever.......
Pah

Originally Posted by planetsusie (Post 693930)

unless of course it doesnt need saying or hasnt been asked for I assume cashman? and will only hurt someone

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 693944)

if it don't need saying it don't get said,if it aint been asked for, if its asked for people get it straight,from me susie, if the answer hurts em, they shouldn't ask the question of me, :)

Originally Posted by planetsusie (Post 693923)

I cant dumb it down enough....

Originally Posted by planetsusie (Post 693932)

I dont tell her biggies like Father Christmas exists and stuff
haha

Originally Posted by planetsusie (Post 693933)

ow stop being pedantic, hostile and unwelcoming. I already explained why I posted this

Originally Posted by Less (Post 693956)

but I got my fingers burnt in a similar thread to this before when I mentioned that, (search for it if you're interested), so I always try to be nice to her.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 693918)

If everyone told the truth all the time the world would be a better place.
Make a start - peaceful revolutions have small individual beginnings

Originally Posted by planetsusie (Post 693823)

I have this repetitive fib I tell my daughter. It happens whenever she has to be somewhere at an appointed time. I always tell her we have to leave 15 minutes earlier than we actually do.

Originally Posted by emamum (Post 693961)

yesterday i took ty to school, everyone was saying how well i looked.. i know that i looked like death warmed up but it made me feel better.... i think sometimes little lies are ok.

Originally Posted by churchman phil (Post 693967)

If we told the truth on everything just how far do you think you'd go in the world?? I'm betting it wouldn't be too far....

Originally Posted by katex (Post 693977)

Has happened the other way to me Emamum ... somebody telling me what they 'saw as the truth' and that I didn't look very well, when in fact felt on the top of the world !

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 693978)

Sadly true - but when you have 'got there' you will find your joy marred by guilt (if you still have some humanity)

Originally Posted by churchman phil (Post 693982)

Complete rubbish!!! Are you now saying that anyone who tells a little white lie has little or no humanity??

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 693983)

No - but feeling guilt shows that

Originally Posted by churchman phil (Post 693987)

So you would feel guilty for telling someone they have to be ready 15mins earlier than they need to be??

Originally Posted by churchman phil (Post 693992)

you never tell any little white lie at all?

Originally Posted by emzy (Post 694009)

I would like to say I always tell the truth but my kids beleive in santa :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by churchman phil (Post 694007)

The fact you say you don't tell little white lies is in itself a little white lie.

EVERYBODY DOES!!!!

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 694013)

Sometimes what is not said, is as telling as what is......and can actually be more hurtful.
Yes......I have to admit that I have told white lies.......I have told some grey ones too.
I don't have to justify why I have done these things other than to say 'Hey, I am human, and therefore fallible'.......If I am taken to task on the day of judgement(if there is one) then I will answer to the only person that can be my judge.

I think the world would be incredibly harsh if it were not for a white lie or two.

And for the record, I think what we consider as 'white lies' and what the government call white lies, are continents apart.

Originally Posted by wikipedia

Types of lies

The various types of lies include the following:

Fabrication
A fabrication is a lie told when someone submits a statement as truth, without knowing for certain whether or not it actually is true. Although the statement may be possible or plausible, it is not based on fact. Rather, it is something made up, or it is a misrepresentation of the truth. Examples of fabrication: "The dog ate my homework", or "I did unplug the iron".

Bold-faced lie
A bold-faced (often also referred to as bare-faced or bald-faced but have slightly different meanings) lie is one which is told when it is obvious to all concerned that it is a lie. For example, a child who has chocolate all around his mouth and denies that he has eaten any chocolate is a bold-faced liar.
Lying by omission
One lies by omission by omitting an important fact, deliberately leaving another person with a misconception. Lying by omission includes failures to correct pre-existing misconceptions. A husband may tell his wife he was out at a store, which is true, but lie by omitting the fact that he also visited his mistress.

Lie-to-children
A lie-to-children is a lie, often a platitude which may use euphemism(s), which is told to make an adult subject acceptable to children. A common example is "The stork brought you" (in reference to childbirth).

White lie
A white lie would cause no discord if it were uncovered, and offers some benefit to the liar, the hearer, or both. White lies are often used to avoid offense, such as complimenting something one finds unattractive. In this case, the lie is told to avoid the harmful realistic implications of the truth. As a concept, it is largely defined by local custom and cannot be clearly separated from other lies with any authority.

Noble lie
A noble lie is one which would normally cause discord if it were uncovered, but which offers some benefit to the liar and assists in an orderly society, therefore potentially beneficial to others. It is often told to maintain law, order and safety. A noble lie usually has the effect of helping an elite maintain power.

Emergency lie
An emergency lie is a strategic lie told when the truth may not be told because, for example, harm to a third party would result. For example, a neighbour might lie to an enraged husband about the whereabouts of his unfaithful wife, because said husband might reasonably be expected to inflict physical injury should he encounter his wife in person. Alternatively, an emergency lie could denote a (temporary) lie told to a second person because of the presence of a third.

Perjury
Perjury is the act of lying or making verifiably false statements on a material matter under oath or affirmation in a court of law, or in any of various sworn statements in writing. Perjury is a crime, because the witness has sworn to tell the truth and, for the credibility of the court to remain intact, witness testimony must be relied on as truthful.

Bluffing
Pretending to have a capability or intention which one does not actually possess. Bluffing is an act of deception which is rarely seen as immoral, because it takes place in the context of a game where this kind of deception is consented to in advance by the players. For instance, a gambler who deceives other players into thinking he has different cards to those which he really holds, or an athlete who indicates he will move left and then actually dodges right, is not considered to be lying. In these situations, deception is accepted and indeed expected as a tactic.

Misleading/Dissembling
A misleading statement is one where there is no outright lie, but there still remains the purpose of making someone believe in an untruth. "Dissembling" likewise implies presenting facts in a way that is literally true, but intentionally misleading.

Exaggeration
An exaggeration (see also hyperbole) occurs when the most fundamental aspect(s) of a statement is true, but only to a certain degree.

Jocose lies
Jocose lies are those which are meant in jest, and are usually understood as such by all present parties. Teasing and sarcasm are examples. A more elaborate instance is seen in storytelling traditions which are present in some places, where the humour comes from the storyteller's insistence that he or she is telling the absolute truth, despite all evidence being to the contrary (i.e. tall tale). There is debate about whether these are "real" lies, and different philosophers hold different views (see below).

Contextual lies
One can state part of the truth out of context, knowing that without complete information, it gives a false impression. Likewise, one can actually state accurate facts, yet deceive with them. To say "yeah, that's right, I slept with your best friend" utilizing a sarcastic, offended tone, may cause the listener to assume the speaker did not mean what he said, when in fact he did.

Promotion lies
Advertisements often contain statements which are incredible, such as "We are always happy to give a refund", or exaggerated predictions such as "You will love our new product".

Puffery
Puffery is an exaggerated claim typically found in advertising and publicity announcements, such as "the highest quality at the lowest price," or "always votes in the best interest of all the people," or "even a jeweler cannot tell it from a genuine diamond."

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 694021)

you can lie by omission as well as by comission.

Originally Posted by churchman phil (Post 694023)

Let's quote Wiki!!!!!!



Blimey!!!! All those types of lies!!!! And you're not guilty of any of them Margaret??

Originally Posted by katex (Post 693984)

Well, I'll admit it now to cleanse my soul ... I do not make my own yorkshire puddings any more ... get them out of the frozen food compartment at Asda.
Sorry ... :o

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 694048)

It is a very difficult situation to be in.
My father used to ask if I thought he looked better when I visited him.....I used to try and deflect the question by asking him how he felt.....he would say he felt better, so I told him he looked better.
That would make him smile. Those smiles were more precious than pearls........and they stay in my memory.......rewards for the white lies, I guess.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 694089)

Try Aunt Bessies kate their better than ASDA's own:D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 694089)

Try Aunt Bessies kate their better than ASDA's own:D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 694090)

I agree with you Margaret, I don't think I'd have wanted to tell my father how poorly he was either, sometimes it is better to hide the truth, especially on halth issues

Originally Posted by katex (Post 694102)

Oh no Jaysay ... don't like Aunt Bessies ... they don't rise properly.

The Asda ones I buy are their 'specials' .. 4 big square ones in a pack, just 4 minute warm up ... they are lovely. Can even get a sausage in them to emulate Toad in the Hole ... I lie not.

Sometimes 'tis dangerous not to tell a white lie, but if you are little inexperienced can be difficult as one episode I had:-

Daughter enters ready for night out wearing high black boots and other black clothing, asks me for opinion .. not sure whether was white lie or not, but said "'looks lovely".

Wishing to get a second opinion, she turns to much younger brother (probably about 13 years at the time). He, of course, totally disinterested says "Yes, Ok". Daughter suspects he has done a man-type thing here and forces the point until young son says "Ok, you look like a prostitute" :s_frighte:s_boom:Think he learnt a lesson that day.

Originally Posted by churchman phil (Post 694151)

I suppose if you say nothing when asked you're asked then you can't lie....can you??

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 694188)

In other words, you take the fifth?

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 694350)

Jaysay and Churchman: are you sure you don't have the fifth? I'm inclined to believe that some form of "I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I might incriminate myself" exists in English law. Even if it is not explicitly stated in any form of written constitution, it must, in an enlightened legal system such as yours, be strongly implied in practice. In Canada, as far as I am aware, any accused in a court of law cannot be forced to give evidence against him/herself ... and that is what the fifth is all about. Damned Tullamore Dew makes me sound like a pedant:eek: Keep an eye out for my (possible) upcoming article in "Studies in Bibliography" on the first impression of the first edition of Fielding's "Tom Jones" ... recommended for those who have trouble sleeping:D:D:D

Originally Posted by planetsusie (Post 693823)

I have this repetitive fib I tell my daughter. It happens whenever she has to be somewhere at an appointed time. I always tell her we have to leave 15 minutes earlier than we actually do.

Do you have a dirty, but harmless white lie you continue to tell?