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BERNADETTE

25-02-2010 11:53

Identity Cards

Got a letter this morning about the new identity cards. Was just wondering if you need a passport as well as an identity card as in the blurb it suggests they both have the same use throughout Europe. Anybody know if you need both or if an identity card will be acceptable instead of a passport?:confused:

entwisi

25-02-2010 11:57

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they are only for certain countries so you would still need a passport for places like Tenerife that are outside EU and further flung like Tunisia, Egypt dom rep, cuba, mexico etc

IMHO they are not something I would even consider. Look at this Goverments record on losing personal data, do you really want all your biometric stuff in the hands of crooks?

Barrie Yates

25-02-2010 12:05

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Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 791809)

ID cards are fine for access to other EU countries, not sure about Dependencies etc of EU Countries.

Biometric infromation is now included in new passports - same information that is going on the ID Cards.

I believe a new passport costs in the region of £90

Neil	25-02-2010 12:18

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Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 791809)

Look at this Goverments record on losing personal data, do you really want all your biometric stuff in the hands of crooks?

Some would say the Government are the crooks.

I think we will have little choice soon.

BERNADETTE

25-02-2010 12:23

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I don't have a problem with ID cards in fact I think they could be good for the country. Given where I will be travelling to and the vast difference in cost I may just go with the ID card. Will give it some more thought before making my mind up.

MargaretR

25-02-2010 12:29

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As we are slaves to the system, we need branding/barcoding.
Once we have accepted ID cards, the next phase will be the ID implant:eek:

yerself

25-02-2010 12:35

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

the next phase will be the ID implant:eek:

Thought we already had that. Isn't it called DNA or something?

MargaretR

25-02-2010 12:40

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RFID Chip in Humans

Since they are causing some health problems when used in pets, I won't be volunteering.

http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2004/10/4305.ars
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In case it's not immediately obvious to you why you wouldn't want to walk around in public broadcasting your financial and/or medical information to anyone with an RFID reader, Bruce Schneier spells it all out for you in a great post on the Bush administration's plans to push for RFID-based passports. Here's a nice chunk of it, but you should read the whole thing.

These chips are like smart cards, but they can be read from a distance. A receiving device can "talk" to the chip remotely, without any need for physical contact, and get whatever information is on it. Passport officials envision being able to download the information on the chip simply by bringing it within a few centimeters of an electronic reader.

Unfortunately, RFID chips can be read by any reader, not just the ones at passport control. The upshot of this is that travelers carrying around RFID passports are broadcasting their identity.

Think about what that means for a minute. It means that passport holders are continuously broadcasting their name, nationality, age, address and whatever else is on the RFID chip. It means that anyone with a reader can learn that information, without the passport holder's knowledge or consent. It means that pickpockets, kidnappers and terrorists can easily--and surreptitiously--pick Americans or nationals of other participating countries out of a crowd.

It is a clear threat to both privacy and personal safety, and quite simply, that is why it is bad idea. Proponents of the system claim that the chips can be read only from within a distance of a few centimeters, so there is no potential for abuse. This is a spectacularly naive claim. All wireless protocols can work at much longer ranges than specified. In tests, RFID chips have been read by receivers 20 meters away. Improvements in technology are inevitable.

Do you really want to walk in and apply for a job knowing that you're broadcasting details about a heart condition/HIV infection/cancer history/etc. to everyone within 20 meters, including the people who are considering whether or not to hire you and pay your medical insurance and sick leave? Do you really want to walk down a crowded street broadcasting financial data of any kind to God knows who? Is it really a good idea to broadcast personal identification information to anyone and everyone, when identity theft is one of the country's fastest growing crimes?

Ken Moss

25-02-2010 12:56

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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 791833)

Thought we already had that. Isn't it called DNA or something?

Yes, the one unique identifier that could be used very effectively as the biggest crime deterrent possible if someone could work out a flawless system.

ID cards and passports can be forged, as we have found recently. It's a clever man that can tamper with his own DNA.

Incidentally, nice avatar. Aren't there rules about bad language on this forum, though???

MargaretR

25-02-2010 13:10

Re: Identity Cards

Your DNA can mutate
Mitochondrial DNA - Genetics Home Reference

Margaret Pilkington

25-02-2010 13:24

Re: Identity Cards

My passport runs out next January, I may not renew it if you have to buy one of these wretched identity cards too.(which is what was being proposed at one point)
I do not trust the government to safely store my biometric data on a card....and I do not want or need an identity card.

grannyclaret

25-02-2010 14:02

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I still have my identity card issued in 1941,,,,,lol

cashman

25-02-2010 14:13

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Originally Posted by grannyclaret (Post 791859)

I still have my identity card issued in 1941,,,,,lol

bet ya aint changed a bit granny.:);)

Retlaw

25-02-2010 14:48

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Originally Posted by grannyclaret (Post 791859)

I still have my identity card issued in 1941,,,,,lol

Still got mine from 1939. NTCC 28/3.

Retlaw

jaysay

25-02-2010 15:13

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I got the Letter too Bernie, it is now filed safely in my recycling white sack:rolleyes:

Less	25-02-2010 15:33

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 791845)

Your DNA can mutate
Mitochondrial DNA - Genetics Home Reference

Yeah, right, say thank you to those little green men next time they beam you up and give you a right good probing.

BERNADETTE

25-02-2010 16:17

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 791879)

I got the Letter too Bernie, it is now filed safely in my recycling white sack:rolleyes:

Well if an ID card at £30 will be ok for where I am likely to visit why pay £90 for a passport? As I said I have no problem with the concept of ID cards in fact they could be good for the country IMHO.

MargaretR

25-02-2010 16:57

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 791899)

'good for the country' is a phrase often churned out by governments.
It implies sacrificing civil liberties for the 'benefit of the nation'.

This may appear noble to those who have absolute trust in those who govern you, but I don't. I see it as intrusive and just another step towards the absolute control of the population as in '1984'.

BERNADETTE

25-02-2010 17:01

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 791910)

"good for the country" is my thought, it works in other countries so why not here? Anyway it is not mandatory to have them but from my point of view if I can save £60 it isn't a bad thing

Barrie Yates

25-02-2010 17:10

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I have lived with ID cards for most of my adult life - and a portion of my childhood. ID card in the RAF for 18 years, ID card when working on State Prison Systems in the USA, ID Card for 17 years in Saudi Arabia.
There is nothing wrong with the priciple of ID cards, just the information they contain. TB & GB, our dear leaders, want too much on there - Name, photograph, place & date of birth, nationality, blood group, fingerprints/iris scan, should be adequate and I have no objection to that information being placed on/in an ID Card.

MargaretR

25-02-2010 17:15

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 791922)

The principle is fine with me too - name, age, photo, nationality - which is what an old style passport is.

BUT with the RFID chipped passports and ID cards- how will you know what is on it? - do you believe you will be told the truth if you ask?

yerself

25-02-2010 17:32

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Have a look at these two pages for information about the new passports and ID cards

What are biometric passports? : Directgov - Travel and transport

Identity cards: an introduction : Directgov - Government, citizens and rights

Neil	25-02-2010 17:46

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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 791934)

What are biometric passports? : Directgov - Travel and transport

So passports are already a form of RFID

katex

25-02-2010 18:04

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Well at least you can get through passport control quicker with the chipped passports. Proves, without a doubt, that is me in the passport.

I have no problem with ID cards either ... will stop those supermarket check out lads, who think it is funny to ask me if I am over 21, when buying my carton of wine. :D

DaveinGermany

25-02-2010 18:20

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I have carried a form of ID card for most of my Adult life, they are easily carried, can verify who you are to those who need to know with half a dozen valid points & without any further intrusion into your private sphere.

I believe most European countries have them for their citizens & functions well enough. Further to that with your card being recorded & issued through a central registry false cards are quickly & easily picked up, thereby identifying illegal immigrants.

cashman

25-02-2010 18:44

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 791946)

Well at least you can get through passport control quicker with the chipped passports. Proves, without a doubt, that is me in the passport.------------------------------------ no ya can't kate, yer supposed to get through quicker but its bull, the seperate place ya can use yer new passport has NOT worked since introduced, least every time i have returned to manchester airport, so far = load of cash spent fer no return.:rolleyes:

I have no problem with ID cards either ... will stop those supermarket check out lads, who think it is funny to ask me if I am over 21, when buying my carton of wine. :D

i have no problem at all with these cards, had a residencia card when i lived in spain. easy to carry n effective i found until ya try to use em in england.:rolleyes:

Barrie Yates

25-02-2010 18:52

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 791946)

The short-sighted ones?:)

grannyclaret

25-02-2010 19:03

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 791861)

bet ya aint changed a bit granny.:);)

well i didnt have any teeth then ,and i dont have any now,,,,,,:D:)

Retlaw

25-02-2010 19:06

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 791946)

I have no problem with ID cards either ... will stop those supermarket check out lads, who think it is funny to ask me if I am over 21, when buying my carton of wine. :D

I'm not saying owt, just lauging my head off.
Mirror mirror on the wall.
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:theband:
Retlaw

garinda

25-02-2010 19:21

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Originally Posted by grannyclaret (Post 791859)

I still have my identity card issued in 1941,,,,,lol

Just don't try squeezing into your gas mask.

:p:D:p

katex

25-02-2010 19:30

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Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 791973)

Quote:

Originally Posted by katex (Post 791946)

I have no problem with ID cards either ... will stop those supermarket check out lads, who think it is funny to ask me if I am over 21, when buying my carton of wine. :D

I'm not saying owt, just lauging my head off.
Mirror mirror on the wall.
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:theband:
Retlaw

There are other forums I can move over to to receive insults ya' know .... :p

Barrie Yates

25-02-2010 19:40

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 791981)

There are other forums I can move over to to receive insults ya' know .... :p

PLEASE, Please let us know where you go-)

entwisi

25-02-2010 21:02

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 791847)

You can renew with 9 months left and they extend it so anytime from April you should be good to go for a renewal

Retlaw

25-02-2010 21:25

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 791981)

There are other forums I can move over to to receive insults ya' know .... :p

Ged a move on then, Calderstones still has vacancies.
:tongueout:tongueout:tongueout:tongueout:p:p:p:p
Retlaw.

MargaretR

25-02-2010 22:11

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It appears that the age of chivalry has died with age:rolleyes:

cashman

25-02-2010 22:19

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 792039)

It appears that the age of chivalry has died with age:rolleyes:

nah it aint cashys still here.

accyman

25-02-2010 22:37

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 792041)

nah it aint cashys still here.

thats the age sorted now whos got some chivalry :D

Eric	26-02-2010 04:18

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 792044)

thats the age sorted now whos got some chivalry :D

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

jaysay

26-02-2010 09:35

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 791981)

There are other forums I can move over to to receive insults ya' know .... :p

Oh come on kate you have to admit you get a better type of insult on here than anywhere else:D

jaysay

26-02-2010 09:37

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 792039)

It appears that the age of chivalry has died with age:rolleyes:

It died when women decided o burn their bras Margaret, but I still open doors, give up my seat and walk on the outside, cuz I'm a gent:rolleyes:

yerself

26-02-2010 14:32

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Originally Posted by Neil

So passports are already a form of RFID

Looks like it, I've just renewed mine and received a biometric one.

Eric	26-02-2010 18:03

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Never had an ID card ... the closest thing I have is my Ontario drivers' licence .... the Government of Ontario is now offering what they call Enhanced Licences which have an RFID that indicates that the holder of the licence is a Canadian Citizen ... and that is all. This licence will allow a Canadian Citizen to pass through US customs without a passport.

Benipete

11-03-2010 10:26

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 791899)

I received a letter about these cards this morning.If my passport was due to expire I think,like you that I would apply for one and save the £60.

However I still have four years left to run.Here is the latest Info.

Identity cards : Directgov - Government, citizens and rights

Ken Moss

11-03-2010 14:02

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I got my leaflet this morning. Not a bad idea in principle but I'm still rather dubious that simply buying one of these and rolling up to airports and seaports with this will be accepted in place of a passport for a long time.

I also seem to recall that a great number of EU countries still require a passport, plus the Isle of Man which is a law unto itself.

yerself

11-03-2010 14:30

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Originally Posted by Benipete

Here is the latest Info.

I posted that link nearly 3 weeks ago.;)

Benipete

11-03-2010 16:57

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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 796069)

I posted that link nearly 3 weeks ago.;)

If I post it again in another three weeks will I qualify for a job in the Civil Service?:D

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