What's a lodge to you?
 

What, besides these meanings...

definition of lodge from Oxford Dictionaries Online

do you understand by the word lodge?

In this part of the world, and certainly to me, it means a body of water, along with the other meanings.

Probably man-made, to supply water for the textile industry, though it could also be a not very large, water-filled quarry. A lodge is larger than a pond, but smaller than a lake.

To me it's a word in fairly common usage in Lancashire, and the north, but can find no reference in any dictionary to a lodge being a place filled with water.

Do you call a small body of water a lodge?

How far away from this area does it stop being called a lodge, and is named something else?

Why isn't recorded in the dictionary? There are certainly more obscure uses of words recorded in most lexicons.

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Karma for anyone who can find lodge, meaning a body of water, in any dictionary, because I can't.

lodge - dictionary definitions

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Lodge definitions to me off hand are :- A type of cabin, accommodation - When something gets stuck/wedged - A meeting place for societies Masons/Buffs & the Orange lodge Protestant marchers - A beavers (the furry tree chewing ones you potential smart arses) home - Something done to register a complaint - If you stay at someones' home & pay a fee.

Those are what come to mind without recourse to a dictionary or something similar, but I can't ever say I've heard it used to define a body of water, the closest association would be the hairy tree chewers home the lodge on or at the lake. :)

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

I always knew them as the Mill Lodges and the following is from Wikipedia


Mill lodge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Nope, can't find it in any dictionary I own (not even Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase & Fable, which has loads of obscure stuff) Always assumed it was an English language word for a small lake but apparently not!!

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Dus tha' no, Garinda .... thas reet !

Never looked to see if this word was in the Dictionary.
What I did come across, in my travels around the U.K., was that when describing where I lived ... 'at the back of a lodge', the puzzled looks and questions of the main house took me back for a while. Soon learnt to explain my meaning of lodge before carrying on with further descriptions ... :)

It appears to be only found in some Lancashire Dialect dictionaries.

Obviously, is a word that was born during the textile industry for the small expanse of water that supported the mills. Man made.

They say if a word is used often enough, then the dicionaries will accept it. I am sure that most of Lancashire understands this meaning, and suggest you write to them at once...:D

Karma to you, sir, for pointing this out.

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Heres reference to a local one Haggs Lodge Accrington - FishingMagic Forums
I've always known it has Haggs lodge, theres no cabins, accommodation, dare say theres a few things stuck down there though :D

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

i'd say much more than a few THINGS

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Mayhap the actual water was so called "Lodge", I mean you've got Priory, Swaffam, Conniston & Windemere & these are lakes/waters/meres, so instead of it being a generic term, it was probably more definitive & indicating a particular water.

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Think it's probably a "localism" ... just a guess: but as there are many Anglo-Saxon, or early Germanic words still in the dialect ("hu" instead of "she", for example), it might be found there. But, I don't have time to check out my guess 'cause I'm knocking on doors today, trying to drum up support for the local NDP candidate in the upcoming election.

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Mill lodges(well, the ones I know of) always seem to be man made, and were to support the needs of industry - mainly cotton mills.
Highams Mill that was, had a brook running along the back of it but there was still a good sized mill lodge close by.

Ewbank was near the Hagg lodge.
There was a lodge near Howard and Bulloughs.
There is a lodge near Ossy Mills.
Maybe it is a Lancastrian thing.......linked to cotton weaving.

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

No, it refers to any small man-made body of water.

There are lots around here. All created to provide water for the textile industry.

I can sit in bed and look down on three.

They don't have individual names. At least that I know.

When I was at college in Liverpool lodge, as a water body, drew the same blank stares as ginnel did when I spoke of those in London.

:D

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

They're referred to as lodges on the Wildlife Trust website.

Lancashire Wildlife Trust - Places to See - Foxhill Bank Nature Reserve from the Wildlife Trust for Lancashire, Manchester and North Merseyside

Even if it is regional, and confined to Lancashire and Yorkshire, it should be in the dictionary.

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Apparently at least one lodge at the Foxhill nature reserve has a name.

Heart Lodge, Foxhill Bank Nature Reserve:: OS grid SD7327 :: Geograph Britain and Ireland - photograph every grid square!

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Roget"s International Thesaurus 3rd edition ........658. 10

verb , store,stow .........deposit,lodge,cache...coffer,warehouse, reservoir:

would have thought coffer (as in coffer dam) warehouse and reservoir, were all nouns :confused:

Eric in Canada is the English expert , he should be able to explain ;)

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Surprised npbody has mentioned Jacobs Lodge - near to Lynch's Garage on Willows Lane - thats certainly well known in the fern gore area

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Hyndburn B.C. refer to lodges, as bodies of water, too.

Back to Nature in Hyndburn - Foxhill Bank Nature Reserve

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Anyone remember the water for Queen's Mill, Penny House Lane?

If you go to Taskers now and use the car park .. the walls on the right were part of the sides of their lodge. Used to climb over their boundary walls to 'view'. Find it a little creepy now when I visit, to think that was filled with water at one time (shudders).

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Used to fish there as a boy, it's actually off Fielding Lane, Ossy

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

I have done.

Contacted the Oxford English Dictionary new words editor, telling them what we know the word to be, and supplied published evidence that lodge can refer to a body of water.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

I'll let you know if you're called as a witness.

:D

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

The Lodge refers to the artificial water storage area (man made) for use within the Mills.

http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source...9MsmKQ&cad=rja

See the last sentence paragraph 3. :) I've seen other references while I've just been looking but nothing describing them like this fella.

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

I remember that one Kate. Spent a few hours around Queen's Mill.

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Yes, of course, Bernard ... you lived further down than me on the same street. Was sorta' a green colour.

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Bit of a puzzler why the word is not in the dictionary.
The ones I remember are
Broad Oak Lodges
Bulloughs Lodge
Hag Lodge
Hambledon Lodge
Plantation Lodges
Steiners Lodge
Warmden Lodge
Can't remember the one Latex described off Queens Rd.
Retlaw.

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

After further searching :)

http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source...sFB5Eg&cad=rja

Well you learn something new every day & I thought today's' lesson was don't get your arm in the way when clearing brush as it causes grazes ! :rolleyes:

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

The term mill pond is often used colloquially to refer to a very flat body of water. "It's like a mill pond!" - Captain Smith of R.M.S. Titanic.
I guess Captain Smith was not from Lancashire.....

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

I used to live on Lodge street, and where Bms garage is, i believe that there used to be a lodge there.

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Yes, I'd forgotten about that one.
There was a small one on the left down Grange lane,
facing the end of Cross St, never knew its name.
Then the one on Broad Oak Rd, the Ambulance Station now occupies the site.
Theres probaly more, long since filled in.
Retlaw.

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Retlaw,what is the small lodge at the top of plantation cobbles called?(if it has a name) Its on the left just opposite where you turn left to go up to the slate pits.

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Strangely we used that phrase in our family, growing up.

Which usually meant the sea or lake was errily glass like, and we were going to have some great waterskiing.

We'd still refer to a lodge as a lodge though. Never a mill pond.

My dad always eyed lodges, wondering if they were large enough to get a boat on.

One near Darwen was.

We only skied on there once though.

Wasn't much fun, just going round and round, in circles.

Plus the ducks looked a bit peeved, at our disturbing the peacefulness of their lodge.

:rolleyes::D

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

bash lodges ... always called em that top and bottom lodge ..

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Find it very odd "Lodge" aint in any dictionary, twas always n expanse of water bigger n a pond in my lifetime. well spotted rindy. other meanings also but always used.

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

It was known as Plantation Mill Lodge, I used to try and net tiddlers in there when I was a kid, 70 odd years ago, it looked very shallow, about a foot deep, but it was deceptive, I once pushed the cane of my net in, and never touched bottom.
Retlaw.

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

We'll just have to Lodge a complaint that lodge (as in expense of water) does not appear in the concise oxford English dictionary

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Garinda has already done that #20. Please concentrate Jaysay ... :D

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Concentrate Kate, I'm sixty blood five in a couple of months and the grey sells are retreating very fast these days, anyway I never pay attention on a Wednesday:D

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Theres always one:rolleyes::D:D

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

whatabout the saying hunting lodge:confused:

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

See link in post one of this thread.

That's already listed in every dictionary there is.

;)

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

English is quirky. That's the explanation;) If you need any expansion, try Noam Chomsky's works on generative and transformational grammars. Reading them won't help too much, but they will put you into a deep, relaxing sleep. And when you wake up, refreshed, you won't worry about such mickey mouse stuff:D:D Oh, by the way, "coffer" in "coffer dam" is an adjective.;) Or, at least, adjectival. And in North America, "warehouse" can be used as a verb.

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Haven't you heard John.....sixty five is the new forty five so the poor sods who are 45 now will be working until they are at least 80...just be thankful it isn't you.

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Whippersnapper;):D

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

My mother was awarded a widows pension in 1995 for my father who was killed in 1944, not backdated. She died in 2001. Why winge?
My mother brought me up on 11 bob a week for fifteen years. I am now 71 years old and in moderate health.
I don't have to work anymore and am paid ample pension for my endevours. over the years.
Where unions have been involved the outcome has gone "Tits up", Miners,Shipbuilders,Car workers, now it seems the NHS is the target, not forgetting BA.
The alternative Labour government give us: The wrong Milliband, The ultimate Balls up, and the witch of balls up. need I go on on?

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

Ya but I've lost that snapper bit Eric:D

Re: What's a lodge to you?
 

A lodge, to me, is a small body of water. I spent many a summer swimming in the Coppice Lodges. When they drained them, several years ago, I was horrified to see how deep they were and how much crap was in the bottom of them. There was even a shopping trolley in the bottom of one of them. Who the hell takes a shopping trolley up the Coppice!!!!!!!