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Making sculptures to go on the Coppice
Hiya all :)
I'm new to this Accrington web so you'll have to excuse any post mistakes etc.... :) I'm in my 3rd year of a B.A Hons Fine Art degree and I'm basing my last years work on memories of the Coppice, and I was hoping to get some information and history of the Coppice, and also maybe get some old photos of locals friends/family up there to base my sculptures on? With permission of course. I'm not entirely sure on how to go about asking for these photos other than just post a thread on here, so If there is another way please guide me :) I will be posting later on describing the sculptures I'd like to make. Thanks Sonnart |
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A brave topic for a 1st post :rolleyes:
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Oh dear. Oh dear. Oh dear.
It's bad enough we have just been betrayed by our own MP and fellow member of this website...but now this? Am I reading this right? Someone wants to stick something on top of the coppice? Sculptures, yes....but not on top of the Coppice, please. |
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This, I think, is different.
They said they're 'basing their sculptures on memories of the Coppice'. Not stickin' em up there. Hopefully. My memories are of terrible wind. You're free to incorporate that. :) |
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Welcome, by the way. :) Where are you studying? |
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:rolleyes: hell?? :D |
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my fondest memory of the coppice is its appearance in oranges are not the only fruit where the leading actress scaled the entire height of the coppice in 4 or 5 small steps.If only that had been the case when i used to run up it for cross country lol.
as for sticking things up there on the coppice we have already seen off one idiot who thought it needed a giant space ship or wa sit giant crop circles lol. |
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Groove will be approaching the council to have the word 'GROOVE' in big white letters on the coppice- like the Hollywood sign....these would be visible from trains passing through the town and make Groove a house old name.
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He already is but not in front of the children.:hehetable
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I think wooden sculptures can look quite pleasing.
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...nkmC6UmrQvYfGw Plus I have a spare bag of nails. |
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I think we should stick a gravestone up there, overlooking the town, with the following inscription:
Here lies the body of Hyndburn Democracy. Murdered by G Jones, 24.10.2011. A day that will live in infamy |
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Only memories i have of the coppice which i can put into print are of being in a torchlight procession around 1945--1947 to commemorate the ending of the war in Europe or the Far East
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Groove thinks Accy missed out on the panopticon scheme due to people acting like the coppice is some sacred shrine. Groove likes the sculptures on the hills in Burnley and Haslingden. Groove is upset that a few moaners prevented Accy having the same.
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Don't know what style sculpture you do,Sonnart, but I would do a sculpture of the shelter which stood there for many years until it was demolished recently.
It had four shelters with benches and, in them, I would put varying scenes e.g. a kissing couple, the elderly resting their legs, family eating a picnic, youths smoking on a sneaky fag, children running around the outside flags, playing hide and seek, with a dog somewhere enjoying their game. All ages got pleasure out of this shelter, including me.. :) |
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By the way, Sonnart is a 'she'. :p |
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Wee bit drammatic perhaps - "we live to fight another day" may be more appropriate!
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Thankyou all for your great replies ☺
MargaretR - Thanks for the links, they are really useful, ☺ already in my research folder ☺ Tealeaf - Don’t worry, I won’t be sticking any huge awful abstract style sculpture up there, that would ruin it! My sculptures are only 1ft high at the moment ☺ They will not be an eyesore I assure you, you’ll have to find them 1st :P They are made of wood from the coppice (fallen trees, I will only use fallen trees, I won’t cut anything down ☺ ) to make them blend into the landscape better. I will put a picture up soon of what they will look like, but the best description I can give of them/how I make them at the moment is that they are long slithers of wood, layered on top of each other. Then a template laid on the side to cut around (currently of my grandma and grandad until I get more photos of people on the coppice) so what is left is a shilouette. I am making it out of fallen wood because I’d like to give the wood a last spark of life (seen as it is going to rot anyway) in the form of a memory sculpture, that will eventually rot back into the coppice. I am aiming to make them look as natural as possible, only wood, no metal/plastic etc. Although I have considered using Accrington brick but that would be hard to use and just complicate things… Garinda - I agree, it is very very windy up there, which is taken into account of my sculptures. I may place a block of wood underneath the sculptures (attached to them), then place that block in the ground and cover it up with leaves/debris , so it looks like it ‘grew’ there, and not just been plonked there. This will also act as an anchor and stop it from being blown over (which I doubt it will be, as it is only 1 ft high) I’m studying at the university of Cumbria (I know, a failing uni ☹ My course is one that has been run out since my 1st year, which means there is only us 3rd years here, they haven’t taken any other students onto the course. And half our tutors have gone ☹ anyway, that’s another story) Accyman - I’d probably see off someone who wanted to put a spaceship up there too :S what were they thinking :S Claytonx - That sounds interesting, do you have any more information on that? Or know if any photographs were taken of it? Katex - I have considered that ☺ I have got plans on what types of scenes my sculptures could be in, including a little boy playing on the roof (my dad when he was younger! 40years ago :P )Thanks for your scenes though, very useful. Oh and yes I am female ☺ |
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Sonnart i assume Cumbria yeh mean Carlisle? if so nowt much wrong wi that place, me son studied yon years ago n gained a masters at Reading 3 yrs later.;)
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My sculptures are only 1ft high at the moment ☺
Reminds me of the "Stonehenge" scene from Spinal Tap!! |
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Well, good luck with your finals.
I did my degree in art at Liverpool. Way back last century. :D |
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This is an absolutely awful photo, taken on my phone because my camera batteries went flat :(, but! Just to show you how small they are (at the moment, may get bigger but not huge!) Also if anyone walks up there and sees it, please feel free to tell me what you think of it on here :)
Bear in mind, this is the 1st one I have put up, so no doubt the quality of it/procedure of making it will get better and I have already made some decisions on changing it. For example, I don't like the sides being as clean as they are, they stand out too much, but, they may darken due to the weather., but I don't know how long this may take. The base it is on is far too shallow, it was still wobbling a bit when was stomping down the ground around it :S So i will need to make a deeper base to go into the ground. I know dogs will pee on it :/...... oh well, all part of it rotting down eh....https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/pictu...jpg?w=04049a4f |
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Whats n awful photo? we can't see nowt.
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It's not coming up, Sonnart. If you are having trouble contact Neil or Mick, they will help you uploading a 'photo.
There are threads on this : http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ite-24482.html However, they are always anxious to please ..LOL. Am looking forward to seeing your work..x |
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http://www.accringtonweb.com/gallery...e=11377&size=1
That better? I'm not good with these things till I used them a few times :S Don't get excited haha, you can hardly see it, But I will upload some better photos soon, and some of them being made :) |
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Don't know about dogs taking a pee on it, but are you peeing on us Sonnart ? :confused:
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Well i couldn't figure it out either.
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I thought it strange that they would only be a foot high.
They will disappear into the long grass. |
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It's an awful photo, it's the tiny sculpture on the right just on the edge of the grass. This photo is to show those who were worried about what they might be, as in scale and material.
No, but that's my friend :) she was in the year above me :) I would like them to be life size, for obvious reasons as they are figure sculptures. |
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Ah i see it now,hard to see what it is though.:)
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At that height and location some people will use them as boot scrapers.
....functional art :D |
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:D functional art :) ha, I like it. I do want to make them life-size, because when I put it down I realized how really really small it was, although it is only a tester piece.
I think I may put a bigger one somewhere else on the coppice in about 2 weeks. While I'm up there, I'll make sure my good camera is fully charged and I will take some proper photos of this 1st one. See if any of you notice where it is (If you go up the coppice) before I put a photo up :P Sonnart :) |
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Close-up definitely needed -my eyesight's terrible. Not sure even though Iknow it's on the right on the edge of the grass...
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Why don't you start with Accy's famous folk? Jeanettte Winterson, Jon Andersen and others...? Then a few of the characters from Accy web....plenty of scope!
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I can't seem to upload another image of it :@ I've got a close up of it but when it's going through the processing stage a page comes up saying I don't have enough space, even though I have deleted the other image :S
It's gone now apparently :( my parents went for a walk up there yesterday and said it's gone. Shame but I can make another I suppose. Sonnart |
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Sonnart, I have been having similar uploading problems all weekend. Have asked for help. See new thread under Feedback, suggestions and help.
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got it :) Although I do have to say it is looking a bit shabby compared to my new studio work pieces..... Comments welcome. This is the shilouette of my grandmad and grandad taken from a 40year old photograph :) The start of my project. Sonnart |
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Really good - how big is it though, life size?
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mobertol, the photo caption says mini sculpture and it's not much taller than some of the grass, so... not lifesize? though she says they will get bigger.
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They will have to be much bigger to have any sense in such a large area as the Coppice - I do like the idea though..
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Gotta say i like that.
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Groove thinks an appropiate sculpture or somethinkg of the like would be a welcome addition to the coppice and maybe become a kind of landmark. Haslingdens halo and Burnleys ring singing tree delighted my children when we went to have a nosey.
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I like the idea of art on the coppice, on the downside only people who have the health and stamina to walk to the top will see them. So it wouldn't bring art to the masses.
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There's a mega mountain of manure blocking the unofficial footpath at Spire Farm
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This is my newest sculpture. I like this better then the older one, It is neater and I like using whole chunk of log rather than slicing them into planks. Although I do not like the top two pieces, but that can be sorted easily when I make the next one. What you think?? There are also some photo of the progress of making it and some sideshots. :) Hope you like :) Sonnart |
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I put the new sculpture up yesterday and I will put up some photos of it :) they are decent photos this time, taken with a camera rather than a naff phone camera :D
Lets see how long this one lasts! I have also gotten some photos from a local lady, so I can start making sculptures from the figures in her photos :D hurray! Sonnart |
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Look forward to seeing them...
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I admire your efforts and noble intentions, but one person's art is another person's firewood.
I don't expect this one will be there for long either. |
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I agree. What I make will not suit everyones taste. I thought of making a large one, setting it alight and letting it burn. Similar to Gormleys Wasteman, though that was made of locals home materials, not local wood :P |
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Art is an expression of the soul -follow yours. (I can say this as I wish with all my being that I had some artistic talent but I don't unfortunately....).:) |
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Ah don't worry, it's was just an idea after I watched a video of Gormleys Wasteman. It was and idea to be more of a performance really, but I do prefer just the sculptures as they are. Gormley made his out of locals old objects like chairs/tables/beds etc. It was kind of a community gathering to watch it burn. It is a barm pot idea :P
I also thought of it as an idea to beat vandals to it before they get to it. I don't plan to put the big sculptures in the woodlands bit, more on the grassy parts. I have never ever been into conceptual art before I started this course, and although I do now understand it, I'm still not that keen on it. I'm still more of an aesthetics artist than "meaning". But I do like the idea of the sculptures rotting back into the Coppice, in the form of a memory sculpture. I have some photo-shopped (badly, only spent 10mins on it) images of what I would like the sculptures to look like life size. I have always planned to make them life size, but these smaller ones are just to test with for making and aesthetics, see if I come across any problems then I'll know how to do things more efficiently when I make the bigger ones :) Let me know what you think when I put them up :) Thanks for all the feedback so far, it really helps, I appreciate it :) Sonnart |
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I really don't see the point of burnng something you have spent time, effort and love creating. Perhaps you need to re-think where you are putting this work to be seen by the pubblic- it would be a shame for it to be pee-ed on by dogs and kicked over by the local vandals.
The small sculptures are a bit "lost" on the Coppice in any case -perhaps the gardens of Haworth Art Gallery or an angle in one of the parks or church gardens would be more appropriate... |
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This is one of the photos I've photo-shopped to give an idea of what life size sculptures would look like on the Coppice in certain areas. I know this one looks a bit flat, that's because the photo of the sculpture was taking head on so there is no depth to it. There is also another photo-shopped image in my album. This is on top of the steps and although I couldn't get the colours right, I think the angle the photo of the sculpture was taken at helps it looks more realistic and less flat. I know that these aren't great examples of photo shopping, they only took 10mins (you can tell!) but they are just to give a quick idea of what they could look like. Comments welcome as usual :) Sonnart |
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Still can't get used to the idea of trees on the Coppice. There weren't any when we used to go up there in my young days.
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Cool Sonnart -like them "Life-size"!
Imagine they will take some making though and be quite susceptible to the Lankyshire winds. Had you thought about that problem i wonder...may have to make sure they are put in sheltered spots. |
Nope, sorry, photo chopped or not they look like something cut out with a fret saw and unfinished.
I could show my 9 year old grandchild how to make something better with a stanley knife, at least the blood stains from her handling the blade incorrectly would show a little more life. Must the Coppice be used as a dumping ground for someones half-hearted efforts at what they claim to be art? BRING BACK THE PANOPTICAN ALL IS FORGIVEN! |
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Gotta disagree wi less,i quite like em.:)
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"Nope, sorry, photo chopped or not they look like something cut out with a fret saw and unfinished.
I could show my 9 year old grandchild how to make something better with a stanley knife, at least the blood stains from her handling the blade incorrectly would show a little more life. Must the Coppice be used as a dumping ground for someones half-hearted efforts at what they claim to be art? BRING BACK THE PANOPTICAN ALL IS FORGIVEN!" Less - When I say 'comments welcome', I mean useful criticism, pointers, helpful information that may inform my practice. Not insults and how dare you be so harsh and rude about something that someone is putting a LOT of effort into. I knew that I would have to be hard skinned by posting my work on here as I understand that everyone has their own opinions and likes/dislikes different things. YOU clearly do NOT understand that. Who says I am claiming this is art? or trying to make them look life like? They are to represent memories. This is a project for my 3rd Year Degree at uni, I have learned to open my mind to different styles and accept other people opinions. You, again clearly have NOT. As I have explained before these are tester pieces, of course they are unfinished and the photo shopping quality is bad because they are again, example of what MIGHT be made. Just out of interest, why would someone (who supposedly values the area) want a big ugly glass and metal building plonked ontop of somewhere as beautiful as the Coppice........... but not want sculptures, made of of wood taken from the Coppice, in the form of people and animals that use the Coppice all the time, giving something back to the Acrrington people who appreciate the views the Coppice has to give? My sculptures will blend into the Coppice and give the dying wood a last spark of life (cheesy I know, but true). Think before you speak Less. Your could have sent me a private message letting me know your opinions, but instead you have tried to embarrass me and humiliate my work in public. Why so negative? You should be ashamed. Morbertol and cashman, thanks for your positive comments :) Sonnart |
Without quoting your hissy fizz, I have waited for six pages to go by hoping that at some point there would be an improvement, there hasn't been, if you can't take on board anything other than positive criticism then how are you ever going to improve?
This is so far the result of 3 years hard study? And at University prices as well? You might like it, you are even allowed to be proud of it if you have put all your heart and talent into it. Others do like it and have told you so, I don't like it if that disappoints or upsets you, well, perhaps instead of claiming to be deeply hurt and now made to suffer for your art, because of my comments why not take a step back and try to see it from my point of view, the only grass I have any use for on the Coppice grows there naturally I would need one heck of alot of the other type to convince me such a sight up there would be an improvement. But don't be disheartened, what do I know about art? Obviously these objects are far too sophisticated for the likes of me and I should not be allowed any form of opinion. |
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Hissy fizz, I think not.
Why wait to make a comment like that after 6 pages? I have asked for opinions and views to be made throughout so why not voice your opinions or contrusctive advice earlier? This is the result of my last project study, which I am proud of yes, because it's roots are in Accrington, and the Coppice, a place I am proud to know and because I am working on memories from there. It is my choice to attend university, I am here for the experiance, I am not one of those "anything is art" persons. I expect art to be the product of a skilled person, I personally love paintings and portraiture, but like I said in the above post, I have opened my mind to other forms of art, that doesn't mean I always like it. I don't appreciate the way you are stereotyping me as a Young Brish Artist type. I am not upset that you do not like my art, lots of people don't, lots of people do. Even I don't sometimes. But those who don't usually tell me in a positive constructed way. I have made no claim that I am deepy hurt or made to suffer for my work. Although I am upset at the comments made that have nothing in connection with it. You flippent sarcasm is uncalled for. If you read what I posted, you will see that I have said that I accept others opinions and I understand that we are all different so of course you are allowed an opinion. I suggest that in future you may word it better to avoid causing upset by choice of words. Top end and tail of it, I've made some tester pieces, you don't like them. Fair enough. But there is no need for the nasty comments made in which are no way "positive criticism" and I would appreciate it if you did not leave any other comments on this thread unless they are constructive. Opinions, idead, advice yes, but nasty comments not.. Sonnart |
Oh dear, I can see I have wounded you, only positive criticism from now on.
I am positive that I don't like your work. I am positive that it is a waste of scrap wood. I am positive that you should put this kind of thing not on the Coppice, but where the sun don't shine. I am also positive that you could have made a better attempt with photo shop. Though I'm not positive about making any form of recant on what is my honest opinion, like it or lump it but don't rant at me because you're standards aren't up to mine. |
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If you say so.
I am tired of replying to your nonesense. Standards..... hm......coming from someone who apprears to be online all day, trolling other people posts. And before you point out that I have been online, It is for my project, networking. Sonnart |
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I made an observation, I am entitled to make an observation, you now show that you not only dislike criticism but will sink to the depths in an attempt to vilify anyone that tells the truth. If your work had any merit you wouldn't need to be so.... Childish. |
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not the brightest move ever made- calling the troops in.;)
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Please ignore Samuel, I know he only came on to defend his love, that's why I treated it as if I was talking straight to the thread starter.
Please, all of you check out her profile, she has up until now made 22 posts, 21 have been in this thread, one was a belated suck up in introduce yourself! If we all only post in our own threads how long will AccyWeb last? Her art is rubbish, she only wants to use us as a stage for her own publicity, can we please keep our enthusiasm for someone that gives as well as takes from the site? |
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Well none of this page will fit on my large monitor so I give up.:mad:
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Or maybe a nice scratch behind the ears -though you don't really deserve it when you are so naughty....;):D Will suggest to Sonnart that the piece she makes to be burnt be based on your own very distinctive sillouette -I'm sure you'd appreciate being a victim in the name of art...:rolleyes: |
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I had no idea that someone had posted something like that. I think he's a friend of a friend of a friend so sorry about him.
Please can we end this as I'm sure it is dragging on too long for you as it is for me. I accept your opinions no problem, I just hoped they may be worded more constructively. Believe it or not I value you opinions because they will inform my practice. I don't come on here for publicity at all, I come on here to get Accringtons peoples view and opinions of my work and what they think and memories of the Coppice. I read, but may not have posted on other topics because I am like everyone else, a busy person. I apologise if I may have picked up on every point but of course it is hard when someone insults your work. Like I said I listen to others opinions and I accept them, they are all useful. I value this thread because of all the useful comments on it and I'd hate to see it turn into a place for argument. Sonnart |
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Dear "Sonn" don't ever take anything Less says to heart -he just likes to stir up trouble and will be duly castigated ....he likes a bit of castigation so don't feel bad about it!
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I have fought many a battle without someone trying to patronise me by using a doggy style parallel. If you wish to clap your hands and praise the Emperors new clothes, then fine, do so, when you've seen the site deliberately used as often as I have perhaps your tolerance will also be put on the back burner? Still, at least she has a reason to be upset compared to you, I did criticise her work, with you I was silly enough to use the term he instead of she when defending you, I seem to remember the rot whiler was a touch on heat over such a minor mistake weren't you? |
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