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jaysay 28-05-2012 09:55

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 994499)
Agreed, but there aren't that many people alive today who personally knew Jesus.

Doesn't stop millions harking on about his untimely death every year.

Let him rest in peace.

:D

Ya but I don't stand infront of a cross every good friday crying my eyes out either:D

jaysay 28-05-2012 09:58

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 994499)
Agreed, but there aren't that many people alive today who personally knew Jesus.

Doesn't stop millions harking on about his untimely death every year.

Let him rest in peace.

:D

You've also got to remember that when he came to earth he knew exactly when he was going to die and how (daddy had told him)he came down on earth to die for use sinners allegedly, personally I think it would have taken more than one visit to achieve that:D

kestrelx 28-05-2012 09:59

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The issue is and why I brought it up - it's the Queens Diamond Jubilee and they are all out waving their little flags. I'm left wondering if the system at what ever level had the mother of the 2 Princes bumped off and everyones Oblivious to it!

The issue is; if Diana was alive, would she be a problem to this Royal Charade??? I think she probably would have been a problem to them and that is one motive for it to have happened. My gut feeling tells me she was, more than any other conspiracy theory! :cool: The poll say 72% yes - so a lot of people agree.

Boeing Guy 28-05-2012 10:05

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 994493)

As to was she murdered.

Dodi was a bit of a summer fling.

You'd have thought her two year affair with Hasnat Khan, and her stated intention to marry him, might have been the time to 'take her out'.

:rolleyes:

No doubt that will be explained away as a Double or Tripple Bluff, or maybe 'that's what they would expect us to do...." type thing or some other.

Personally I love the ignore any rebuttal, such as No Seat Belts being worn by any occupant although the right hand seat front passenger survived, thanks to Mercedes Benz Airbags. Of course it then follows if the Rear Right hand seat passenger had been wearing a seatbelt she would have survived a very survivable car crash.
Or the issue with the French emergency services in particular The SMUR and the fact they treat emergencys different to most of the rest of the world ( dammed French!)
But of course no one said she was not killed, but you get slated if you question a opinion and back that up with some facts.:cool:

garinda 28-05-2012 10:07

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 994504)
You've also got to remember that when he came to earth he knew exactly when he was going to die and how (daddy had told him)he came down on earth to die for use sinners allegedly, personally I think it would have taken more than one visit to achieve that:D

I don't have to remember, being an atheist.

He was just some nice hippy, who's had a very successful P.R. campaign carried out in his name, in the years following his death.

:D

I can't explain the grief we saw after Diana's death.

Perhaps some people have never experienced the untimely death of someone they knew personally, and like JFK, or Elvis, because of the media, felt some connection to a person they never knew.

Like I said, it was all very odd to witness, but can't imagine it happening again.

garinda 28-05-2012 10:15

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 994509)
No doubt that will be explained away as a Double or Tripple Bluff, or maybe 'that's what they would expect us to do...." type thing or some other.

Personally I love the ignore any rebuttal, such as No Seat Belts being worn by any occupant although the right hand seat front passenger survived, thanks to Mercedes Benz Airbags. Of course it then follows if the Rear Right hand seat passenger had been wearing a seatbelt she would have survived a very survivable car crash.
Or the issue with the French emergency services in particular The SMUR and the fact they treat emergencys different to most of the rest of the world ( dammed French!)
But of course no one said she was not killed, but you get slated if you question a opinion and back that up with some facts.:cool:


Perhaps it was all some eleborate suicide, and she'd planned it all herself.

She had teased the press, a short time before whilst in the south of France, that they were in for a big suprise.

That'd be quite a feat, for a girl with only one O-level....in hamster care.

:D

jaysay 28-05-2012 10:15

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 994509)
No doubt that will be explained away as a Double or Tripple Bluff, or maybe 'that's what they would expect us to do...." type thing or some other.

Personally I love the ignore any rebuttal, such as No Seat Belts being worn by any occupant although the right hand seat front passenger survived, thanks to Mercedes Benz Airbags. Of course it then follows if the Rear Right hand seat passenger had been wearing a seatbelt she would have survived a very survivable car crash.
Or the issue with the French emergency services in particular The SMUR and the fact they treat emergencys different to most of the rest of the world ( dammed French!)
But of course no one said she was not killed, but you get slated if you question a opinion and back that up with some facts.:cool:

I have to say that Diana had every right to a life, just as Charles had, lets face it it wasn't a secret he was knocking Camilla off while he was married, none of this would have happened if he had been allowed to marry her in the first place, its obvious that the establishment HAS LEARNT ITS LESSON, with William being allowed to marry a woman of His choice

susie123 28-05-2012 10:24

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 994512)
I have to say that Diana had every right to a life, just as Charles had, lets face it it wasn't a secret he was knocking Camilla off while he was married, none of this would have happened if he had been allowed to marry her in the first place, its obvious that the establishment HAS LEARNT ITS LESSON, with William being allowed to marry a woman of His choice

Very well put, John. Totally agree.

garinda 28-05-2012 10:25

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 994505)
The issue is and why I brought it up - it's the Queens Diamond Jubilee and they are all out waving their little flags. I'm left wondering if the system at what ever level had the mother of the 2 Princes bumped off and everyones Oblivious to it!

The issue is; if Diana was alive, would she be a problem to this Royal Charade??? I think she probably would have been a problem to them and that is one motive for it to have happened. My gut feeling tells me she was, more than any other conspiracy theory! :cool: The poll say 72% yes - so a lot of people agree.


Whatever her beef with Charles, Diana was raised an aristocrat, and was an ardent monarchist.

She didn't want to rock the boat, and destabilise the system.

She wanted her son to become King, even if she didn't want her ex-husband to sit on the throne.

Diana certainly wasn't a republican.

susie123 28-05-2012 10:29

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 994505)
The issue is and why I brought it up - it's the Queens Diamond Jubilee and they are all out waving their little flags. I'm left wondering if the system at what ever level had the mother of the 2 Princes bumped off and everyones Oblivious to it!

The issue is; if Diana was alive, would she be a problem to this Royal Charade??? I think she probably would have been a problem to them and that is one motive for it to have happened. My gut feeling tells me she was, more than any other conspiracy theory! :cool: The poll say 72% yes - so a lot of people agree.

So you think she was murdered 15 years ago to prevent her causing problems at the Diamond Jubilee - which given the queen's age it was not a certainty she would get this far and it would ever happen. 72% of people (that's out of 25 voters on Accyweb) like to think she was murdered but I'm not sure they would agree with that reason

jaysay 28-05-2012 10:33

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 994516)
Whatever her beef with Charles, Diana was raised an aristocrat, and was an ardent monarchist.

She didn't want to rock the boat, and destabilise the system.

She wanted her son to become King, even if she didn't want her ex-husband to sit on the throne.

Diana certainly wasn't a republican.

Well I for one haven't voted in this inane poll, but your right about Diana, Rindi, she despised Charles because of the way she'd been treated and would have moved the earth if she thought she push William to the front at his expense

garinda 28-05-2012 10:33

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 994512)
I have to say that Diana had every right to a life, just as Charles had, lets face it it wasn't a secret he was knocking Camilla off while he was married, none of this would have happened if he had been allowed to marry her in the first place, its obvious that the establishment HAS LEARNT ITS LESSON, with William being allowed to marry a woman of His choice

She was used, as some virginal broodmare.

She was young, naive, and as the product of a broken home, hopeful that her marrriage to the Prince of Wales would last forever, unlike her own parents' union.

She had every right to a private life, after it was clear her husband had never loved her.

I've seen with my own eyes some of what she put up with after her divorce.

If any dick head with a camera had called my Mum a slut, a slag, or worse, in the hope of getting a good picture to flog, I'd have put their lights out.

kestrelx 28-05-2012 10:39

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Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 994517)
So you think she was murdered 15 years ago to prevent her causing problems at the Diamond Jubilee - which given the queen's age it was not a certainty she would get this far and it would ever happen. 72% of people (that's out of 25 voters on Accyweb) like to think she was murdered but I'm not sure they would agree with that reason

Naa I mentioned the Diamond Jubilee as an example - but I meant as a generalization. Royal divorces at the level are a rarity - I just can't see how it would have been for her with Camilla and Charles getting re-married etc. The the kind of infuence Diana would have over her sons military activity when she was campaigning against land mines and that may have lead to other issues relating to the arms dealers providing the weapons based in the UK. Don't you think that is a conflict of interests, a threat to the Royal family.

Could she have become an embarassment; for example on the front page of the Sun; Harry out in Afghanistan on a tour of duty! Then over on the front page of the Independant, Diana campaigning against arms dealers selling weapons over in some far flung dictatorship! I'D THINK THAT WAS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE TO THIS COUNTRY! (in their view not mine!")

susie123 28-05-2012 10:46

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 994521)
Naa I mentioned the Diamond Jubilee as an example - but I meant as a generalization. Royal divorces at the level are a rarity - I just can't see how it would have been for her with Camilla and Charles getting re-married etc. The the kind of infuence Diana would have over her sons military activity when she was campaigning against land mines and that may have lead to other issues relating to the arms dealers providing the weapons based in the UK. Don't you think that is a conflict of interests, a threat to the Royal family.

Charles and Camilla did not marry until several years after Diana's death by which time Diana herself would probably have remarried and moved on or become even more mentally unstable than she probably was and been confined to some sort of institution.

garinda 28-05-2012 10:46

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She's dead.

It was sad.

As it is when anyone snuffs it prematurely.

Who really still cares how she died, besides her immediate family?

I doubt mulling it over on Accy Web is going to throw any new light on the matter, if umpteen inquests, and investigations failed to do so.

kestrelx 28-05-2012 10:59

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Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 994474)
I don't think Barry George would be too pleased to hear that no one has been prosecuted for that murder. OK there is no conviction at the moment but George was tried and convicted but the conviction was quashed after three appeals. He was then tried again and acquitted.


Well it would appear that her death was a deliberate "Professional Hit" the person who did it may have been on a motor bike or something - left no traces and vanished - the Police then framed Barry George as they have several other people over the years!

kestrelx 28-05-2012 11:08

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 994510)
I don't have to remember, being an atheist.

He was just some nice hippy, who's had a very successful P.R. campaign carried out in his name, in the years following his death.

:D

I can't explain the grief we saw after Diana's death.

Perhaps some people have never experienced the untimely death of someone they knew personally, and like JFK, or Elvis, because of the media, felt some connection to a person they never knew.

Like I said, it was all very odd to witness, but can't imagine it happening again.

I never cried about Diana - felt shocked but it never turned to tears. Witnessed the phenomena of fields of flowers outside the palace and saw people lining Whitehall and Westminster the night before her funeral, setting up sleeping bags and camping cookers etc so they could have a few comforts while they waited.

It's easy to explain the grief; she was a member of the Royal Family that's why - and due to her "cute" factor and the few things she did for charity etc - she became a talisman for all the martyrs across the land! - to vent their grief in floods of tears and bouquets of flowers.:thankya::D

Margaret Pilkington 28-05-2012 12:26

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However you saw Princess Diana(and everyone has their opnions)......she connected with 'ordinary' people....something that wasn't notable in other members of the senior Royals.......she brought a breath of fresh air to the Royal family...almost modernising it.

She did not deserve to be treated in the way that Charles treated her. He basically used her as a brood mare.......which is Ok if you know that is what is happening (and are happy to comply)....I don't think Diana knew it....and the alarm bells should have been ringing at the time of their engagement when charles was asked about 'love' and he gave some ludicrous reply....she should have run a mile right then, but she didn't.....and who knows what mental tactics were used on her in the early days of the marriage......in fact, who really knows the truth about all of the scandals and things that went on long before she died.
She died in tragic circumstances.......maybe some of it was her fault(she wasn't, allegedly, wearing her seat belt - how true do we know this assertion to be......just because it is what we are told doesn't automatically make it the truth...as in many other instances.
She died.....and that is it. I am reluctant to speak ill of the dead(it must be a generational thing) however, I would make an exception in Tony Blairs case.

kestrelx 28-05-2012 13:43

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 994540)
However you saw Princess Diana(and everyone has their opnions)......she connected with 'ordinary' people....something that wasn't notable in other members of the senior Royals.......she brought a breath of fresh air to the Royal family...almost modernising it.

She did not deserve to be treated in the way that Charles treated her. He basically used her as a brood mare.......which is Ok if you know that is what is happening (and are happy to comply)....I don't think Diana knew it....and the alarm bells should have been ringing at the time of their engagement when charles was asked about 'love' and he gave some ludicrous reply....she should have run a mile right then, but she didn't.....and who knows what mental tactics were used on her in the early days of the marriage......in fact, who really knows the truth about all of the scandals and things that went on long before she died.
She died in tragic circumstances.......maybe some of it was her fault(she wasn't, allegedly, wearing her seat belt - how true do we know this assertion to be......just because it is what we are told doesn't automatically make it the truth...as in many other instances.
She died.....and that is it. I am reluctant to speak ill of the dead(it must be a generational thing) however, I would make an exception in Tony Blairs case.

Very well said Margaret! :D Particularly the point about her not wearing a seat belt that could have been made up as you say, also that Henri Paul was drunk. The length of time it took to investigate it - didn't a witness say they saw a white Fiat flash a light at the car and pass it and I saw on a program that a white Fiat was found burnt out in some woodlands.

Margaret Pilkington 28-05-2012 13:51

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I am not saying that this happened,(all I'm saying is it is possible) but just say she was found in a condition where she could have been saved by medical intervention....but that wasn't what the 'powers that be' had in mind.......she could have been terminated by an injection of some substance.......but hey, we won't ever know because she was embalmed......her blood was drained out of her(against French Law) so no toxicology tests could ever be performed.

There are things(if you believe the books and the media) that just do not add up.
So it isn't really surprising that the conspiracy theories abound.
My gut feeling(though I haven't voted) is, that she was bumped off.
Dead pricesses tell no tales and cause no further problems

Eric 28-05-2012 14:31

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The whole deal with Diana has to do with her fame ... ordinary folks are allowed to die peacefully, and they quickly slip into oblivion ... perfect; the way it should be. But ... when the rich and famous die ... well, we all know what happens ... hype and bs theories (if it is a rock star or a movie star, drugs have to be involved; it's part of the tabloid scenario) ... "When beggars die there are no headlines seen,/The tabloids themselves blaze forth the death of princesses."

I think that life is much less complicated when one is a nobody ... mmm, that brings to mind a lttle more poetry:

"I'm nobody! Who are you?
Are you nobody, too?
Then there's a pair of us - don't tell!
They'd banish us, you know.

How dreary to be somebody!
How public, like a frog
To tell your name the livelong day
To an admiring bog!


Feel free to wax humorous on the last line;)

mobertol 28-05-2012 15:07

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Since we are waxing lyrical i think this is quite apropriate:

Presentiment is that long shadow on the lawn
Indicative that Suns go down. - Emily Dickinson

MargaretR 11-06-2012 09:20

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A film which draws attention to the farce that was the inquest

Unlawful Killing ? the film the British won't get to see | Keith Allen | Comment is free | The Guardian

is banned in UK but has been shown anywhere else.

kestrelx 11-06-2012 09:53

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 997057)
A film which draws attention to the farce that was the inquest

Unlawful Killing ? the film the British won't get to see | Keith Allen | Comment is free | The Guardian

is banned in UK but has been shown anywhere else.

Good post Margaret - for those who can't be bothered reading the article on the link, here is a quote

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Consider just a fraction of what transpired. Over 100 significant witnesses were not called to the inquest, or refused to appear. Blood tests allegedly proving the drunkenness of the driver Henri Paul were deemed "biologically inexplicable" by a toxicologist. A British crash expert found that Diana's seat belt had not been working. And so on.
This link below explains a bit more about the verdict which blaims Henri Paul and the Paparazzi for "Unlawful killing" ;

BBC NEWS | UK | Princess Diana unlawfully killed

MargaretR 19-06-2012 22:02

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This article is an eye opener - assassinations happen more often than we think.

Intelligent kill: The dirty art of secret assassination | | Independent Editor's choice Blogs

jaysay 20-06-2012 08:55

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 998721)
This article is an eye opener - assassinations happen more often than we think.

Intelligent kill: The dirty art of secret assassination | | Independent Editor's choice Blogs

Well professional Hit Men have to earn a living some how, they can hardly sign on at the job centre:rolleyes::D

Mack 26-06-2012 19:50

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Check out how many conspiracy theories there are about the JFK assassination. Nobody wants to believe that a deranged little man could murder one of the most important men in the world. So we get all these conspiracy theories based on mere coincidences. Think about Oliver Stone's film. Oswald was a decent shooter, and he could have and did get off three shots in less than ten seconds. Science and modern forensic analysis have all but proved he was the only shooter.

If you are running from others in a car going 80 or 90 miles per hour - and you may have had a drink or two, the chances are that your reflexes and perception are not going to be as sharp as usual. Also, I don't want to make any enemies, but conspiracy theories are the last refugue of the immature and uneducated mind.

jaysay 27-06-2012 08:53

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Originally Posted by Mack (Post 999928)
Check out how many conspiracy theories there are about the JFK assassination. Nobody wants to believe that a deranged little man could murder one of the most important men in the world. So we get all these conspiracy theories based on mere coincidences. Think about Oliver Stone's film. Oswald was a decent shooter, and he could have and did get off three shots in less than ten seconds. Science and modern forensic analysis have all but proved he was the only shooter.

If you are running from others in a car going 80 or 90 miles per hour - and you may have had a drink or two, the chances are that your reflexes and perception are not going to be as sharp as usual. Also, I don't want to make any enemies, but conspiracy theories are the last refugue of the immature and uneducated mind.

Well I agree with your last statement Mack, but like me mate, use one of these:hidewall::hidewall::hidewall::hidewall::D

ossy kid 27-06-2012 14:21

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O.K. but sometimes a "conspiracy theory" is only deemed so by those who don't want to accept an alternative to their belief.

Gordon Booth 27-06-2012 16:49

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Originally Posted by Mack (Post 999928)
Also, I don't want to make any enemies, but conspiracy theories are the last refugue of the immature and uneducated mind.

You just did!

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Originally Posted by ossy kid (Post 999974)
O.K. but sometimes a "conspiracy theory" is only deemed so by those who don't want to accept an alternative to their belief.

A 'conspiracy theory' is just that-a theory, until someone proves it.
Show us some proof, not opinions or wild imaginings. Until then the available evidence stands. And available evidence isn't a theory.

Boeing Guy 27-06-2012 16:59

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And that's the rub Gordon, they will find numorous you tube video's or conspiracy websites, I have however to see any real proof to any of the most popular theory's.

jaysay 27-06-2012 17:21

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1000009)
You just did!



A 'conspiracy theory' is just that-a theory, until someone proves it.
Show us some proof, not opinions or wild imaginings. Until then the available evidence stands. And available evidence isn't a theory.

Couldn't have put it better myself Gordon, and lets face it there are those about with wild imaginations and a swift hand on the mouse even on here:rolleyes::D

Gordon Booth 27-06-2012 17:27

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1000010)
I have however to see any real proof to any of the most popular theory's.

That's because there isn't any, BG.

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1000013)
Couldn't have put it better myself Gordon, and lets face it there are those about with wild imaginations and a swift hand on the mouse even on here:rolleyes::D

If you, BG and me spent a few minutes together I'm sure we could come up with yet another good 'conspiracy theory', Jaysay.
We know at least 18 people on Accyweb would be ready to believe it.

jaysay 27-06-2012 17:38

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1000016)
That's because there isn't any, BG.



If you, BG and me spent a few minutes together I'm sure we could come up with yet another good 'conspiracy theory', Jaysay.
We know at least 18 people on Accyweb would be ready to believe it.

Only 18 Gordon:confused::confused::confused::D

Boeing Guy 27-06-2012 17:44

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Hehehe

ossy kid 28-06-2012 02:43

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Na, that's just a theory.

jaysay 28-06-2012 08:52

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Originally Posted by ossy kid (Post 1000082)
Na, that's just a theory.

Whats just a theory:confused::D

MargaretR 28-06-2012 08:56

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Theories are the ones you don't agree with.

Facts are the ones you do ;)

...and when several people disagree with you - they are conspiring

jaysay 28-06-2012 09:10

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1000103)
Theories are the ones you don't agree with.

Facts are the ones you do ;)

...and when several people disagree with you - they are conspiring

When several people disagree with your theories, that's a conspiracy:rolleyes:

Gordon Booth 28-06-2012 13:04

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1000103)
Theories are the ones you don't agree with.

Facts are the ones you do ;)

...and when several people disagree with you - they are conspiring

Theories are possibilities still waiting the facts to prove them.

Facts are what are required by sane people to confirm theories.

When several people disagree with you you're probably wrong or talking rubbish.

Conspiracy theories are( usually) unprovable theories made up by publicity seeking morons and believed by people who in some cases should know better, in other cases never will.

Boeing Guy 28-06-2012 15:22

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1000103)
Theories are the ones you don't agree with.

Facts are the ones you do ;)

...and when several people disagree with you - they are conspiring

Facts can be backed up with evidence.

Theories are there for when you want to believe something else.
Unfortunately they never seem to have any evidence, material or otherwise to back them up.:rolleyes:

Boeing Guy 28-06-2012 15:49

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I forgot to say, Facts are there to be ignored, unlike Theorys which you tube videos are taken as absolute proof, as well as websites

Eric 28-06-2012 16:31

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1000022)
Only 18 Gordon:confused::confused::confused::D

Yeah ... I would have thought more like 95% ... that seems to be a popular figure aound here;)

The weakness of the Di conspiracy is that there is no really good reason that anyone would want her dead ... JFK, on the other hand: lots of folks wanted him iced. And as for Oswald being a good shot? I'm a decent shot with a rifle, but the gun he was supposed to have used:eek: I've fired one of those Italian pieces of junk, and it was in good condition when my buddy bought it: never fired and only dropped once;) Hitting the side of a barn from 10 feet away is a good shot with one of those things. But I still think that what happened to JFK is probably something a lot simpler than the conspiracies dreamed up in the media and in Hollywood.

Now ... I wonder what really happened to Elvis .... :D

cashman 28-06-2012 16:35

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1000167)

Now ... I wonder what really happened to Elvis .... :D

Yeh got much to learn mate, Hes Alive/Well/ n living on Mars.:D

jaysay 28-06-2012 17:16

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1000167)
Yeah ... I would have thought more like 95% ... that seems to be a popular figure aound here;)

The weakness of the Di conspiracy is that there is no really good reason that anyone would want her dead ... JFK, on the other hand: lots of folks wanted him iced. And as for Oswald being a good shot? I'm a decent shot with a rifle, but the gun he was supposed to have used:eek: I've fired one of those Italian pieces of junk, and it was in good condition when my buddy bought it: never fired and only dropped once;) Hitting the side of a barn from 10 feet away is a good shot with one of those things. But I still think that what happened to JFK is probably something a lot simpler than the conspiracies dreamed up in the media and in Hollywood.

Now ... I wonder what really happened to Elvis .... :D

I believe he does a stint in a chip down Accy 4 nights a week:rolleyes:

MargaretR 28-06-2012 17:33

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1000167)
The weakness of the Di conspiracy is that there is no really good reason that anyone would want her dead ...

You are not aware of how the royal family obsesses about bloodline integrity, and the prospect of a future king having a muslim half brother is enough to send them into a flat spin.

Gordon Booth 28-06-2012 17:39

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I would imagine the prospect of it ever coming out that the Royal Family had been involved in or organised the murder of Diana would have sent them into a flatter spin.
Not worth the risk, push comes to shove they could always have had her certified and taken out of circulation- it's been done before.

jaysay 28-06-2012 17:42

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1000187)
I would imagine the prospect of it ever coming out that the Royal Family had been involved in or organised the murder of Diana would have sent them into a flatter spin.
Not worth the risk, push comes to shove they could always have had her certified and taken out of circulation- it's been done before.

Weren't there something in the passed about some bloke called George who was a bit pots for bluebells:D

MargaretR 28-06-2012 17:45

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1000188)
Weren't there something in the passed about some bloke called George who was a bit pots for bluebells:D

That was George III and it was due to a medical condition not known of at the time (or so we are told to believe:rolleyes:)

The interbreeding does turn out genetically unsound specimens at times.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...veals-all.html

Gordon Booth 28-06-2012 17:46

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1000188)
Weren't there something in the passed about some bloke called George who was a bit pots for bluebells:D

Are you talking 1810 or 2010?
This is how conspiracy theories start!

jaysay 28-06-2012 17:52

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1000190)
That was George III and it was due to a medical condition not known of at the time (or so we are told to believe:rolleyes:)

The interbreeding does turn out genetically unsound specimens at times.

The Queen's hidden cousins: They were banished to an asylum in 1941 and left neglected now an intriguing documentary reveals all | Mail Online

Ya but its only a theory Margaret:rolleyes::D

jaysay 28-06-2012 17:56

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1000191)
Are you talking 1810 or 2010?
This is how conspiracy theories start!

Would think its applicable to both dates, we know about the George long ago in our history and we have an MP called George who crawls around playing a cat on reality TV in modern times:D both pots for bluebells:rolleyes:

Mack 28-06-2012 18:04

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The weakness of the Di conspiracy is that there is no really good reason that anyone would want her dead ... JFK, on the other hand: lots of folks wanted him iced. And as for Oswald being a good shot? I'm a decent shot with a rifle, but the gun he was supposed to have used I've fired one of those Italian pieces of junk, and it was in good condition when my buddy bought it: never fired and only dropped once Hitting the side of a barn from 10 feet away is a good shot with one of those things. But I still think that what happened to JFK is probably something a lot simpler than the conspiracies dreamed up in the media and in Hollywood.

But there you go. Because you couldn't hit anything, this means nobody, including Oswald, could hit anything? It was a very easy shot that has been replicated many times. JFK was moving away at 180 degrees, and Oswald popped off three shots without trouble. I think it was a BBC production, too, that analyzed everything. The single bullet theory has been proved much to the dismay of the conspiracy theorists, and of course, there are those who want to keep conspiracy alive because it is in their economic interests to do so. I believe there was a two house special on the Discovery Channel. Due to multiple camera and sound recordings, a three dimensional model was constructed, and the conclusion was that the shots could not have come from anywhere else but the Texas Book Depository where Oswald was. And he carried in a long package wrapped in brown paper earlier that morning and said they were curtain rods? Buddy, a close friend of mine in Nigeria who was a major bank manager wants to get 10 million dollars out of the country, and he's willing to split it with you. I can't do it for tax reasons, but you..............

Gordon Booth 28-06-2012 18:07

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1000195)
Would think its applicable to both dates, we know about the George long ago in our history and we have an MP called George who crawls around playing a cat on reality TV in modern times:D both pots for bluebells:rolleyes:

You're forgetting the third George(not George the Third).

jaysay 28-06-2012 18:22

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1000200)
You're forgetting the third George(not George the Third).

Go on Gordon, hit me with your rhythm stick:D

Eric 28-06-2012 18:22

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1000185)
You are not aware of how the royal family obsesses about bloodline integrity, and the prospect of a future king having a muslim half brother is enough to send them into a flat spin.

Sorry hon, this is a tad too contrived for me ... you have muslim councillors, muslim MPs, muslim peers etc, and your biggest ally has a black President with an even blacker First Lady whom Her Majesty seems to like just fine. I just don't buy it. Now, if the future King were to have a half brother who wore a flat cap, clogs, carried a whippet and talked like Cashy ... that would be worthy of an assasination.;)

jaysay 28-06-2012 18:26

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1000204)
Sorry hon, this is a tad too contrived for me ... you have muslim councillors, muslim MPs, muslim peers etc, and your biggest ally has a black President with an even blacker First Lady who Her Majesty seems to like just fine. I just don't buy it. Now, if the future King were to have a half brother who wore a flat cap, clogs, carried a whippet and talked like Cashy ... that would be worthy of an assasination.;)

I should think so too Eric carrying a whippet, it should be flaming running:D carrying it must be a flogging offence

Gordon Booth 28-06-2012 18:50

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1000167)
And as for Oswald being a good shot? I'm a decent shot with a rifle, but the gun he was supposed to have used:eek: I've fired one of those Italian pieces of junk, and it was in good condition when my buddy bought it: never fired and only dropped once;) Hitting the side of a barn from 10 feet away is a good shot with one of those things.D

Eric, I agree it's hardly a snipers rifle but several marksmen duplicated Oswald's results( speed,range, accuracy score) using that same rifle and Oswald had qualified as a sharpshooter and marksman not that long before.
Accepting that he did it he must have felt he could do it using that rifle(perhaps he wasn't too worried whether he killed or not, as long as he made his point). And it worked better than he expected.
The test results on the rifle, carried out by a variety of independent shooters, are facts, unlikely but still facts.
Maybe he was just lucky and Kennedy was unlucky.

Mack 29-06-2012 01:55

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1000208)
Eric, I agree it's hardly a snipers rifle but several marksmen duplicated Oswald's results( speed,range, accuracy score) using that same rifle and Oswald had qualified as a sharpshooter and marksman not that long before.
Accepting that he did it he must have felt he could do it using that rifle(perhaps he wasn't too worried whether he killed or not, as long as he made his point). And it worked better than he expected.
The test results on the rifle, carried out by a variety of independent shooters, are facts, unlikely but still facts.
Maybe he was just lucky and Kennedy was unlucky.

Have you seen the shots he made through a telescopic lens? They weren't even lucky shots.

MargaretR 04-07-2012 11:47

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 998721)
This article is an eye opener - assassinations happen more often than we think.

Intelligent kill: The dirty art of secret assassination | | Independent Editor's choice Blogs

I don't usually quote myself but needed to remind you of that post.

Today a FACT has emerged that Yasser Arafat was assassinated.
Yasser Arafat 'poisoned with Polonium' - Telegraph

cashman 04-07-2012 12:14

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Fact me arse..........Under headline it says "May" have, how the hell is that a fact?:confused:

MargaretR 04-07-2012 12:16

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1001143)
Fact me arse..........Under headline it says "May" have, how the hell is that a fact?:confused:

I suppose it could have been self administered:rolleyes:

cashman 04-07-2012 13:15

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1001144)
I suppose it could have been self administered:rolleyes:

Say what yeh wish, Headline says one thing, sub headline says may have been, To me thats press sensationalism to sell papers, which they all are guilty of, I stop reading when that occurs, some carry on n swallow it all.:rolleyes:

Less 04-07-2012 14:17

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The only thing murdered was 'candle in the wind', at the funeral.

jaysay 04-07-2012 17:32

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1001144)
I suppose it could have been self administered:rolleyes:

In which case its not murder is it:rolleyes:

MargaretR 04-07-2012 17:59

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1001189)
In which case its not murder is it:rolleyes:

I suppose you think that radioactive polonium can readily bought in any arab market and, in view of the horrendous effect on the body, it is an ideal way to commit suicide:rolleyes:

jaysay 04-07-2012 18:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1001201)
I suppose you think that radioactive polonium can readily bought in any arab market and, in view of the horrendous effect on the body, it is an ideal way to commit suicide:rolleyes:

its very effective though;)

Gordon Booth 04-07-2012 18:21

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1001201)
I suppose you think that radioactive polonium can readily bought in any arab market :

You'd be surprised what you can buy and sell in an Arab market, Margaret!
Last time I was in one someone tried to buy my wife but I couldn't work out how to get two camels and twenty goats home.

DaveinGermany 04-07-2012 19:30

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1001201)
I suppose you think that radioactive polonium can readily bought in any arab market

No but with the break down of the Eastern bloc & the old Soviet union, disarmament & disposal of various weapons systems wasn't exactly as precise as it could've been. Plenty of things found their way into the black market & into the hands of some very nasty criminal types.

To coin an expression, "The truth, is out there" along with some very unsavoury relics of the cold war military stockpiled nasties. If you really want it, it can be bought.

cashman 04-07-2012 19:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1001221)
No but with the break down of the Eastern bloc & the old Soviet union, disarmament & disposal of various weapons systems wasn't exactly as precise as it could've been. Plenty of things found their way into the black market & into the hands of some very nasty criminal types.

To coin an expression, "The truth, is out there" along with some very unsavoury relics of the cold war military stockpiled nasties. If you really want it, it can be bought.

Thats unacceptable..........cos its FACT.:hehetable

DaveinGermany 04-07-2012 20:06

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1001225)
Thats unacceptable..........cos its FACT.:hehetable

Oh we're talking facts & there's me thinking it was conjecture, well I'll get off me soap box then. :rolleyes:

jaysay 05-07-2012 09:11

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1001231)
Oh we're talking facts & there's me thinking it was conjecture, well I'll get off me soap box then. :rolleyes:

When your using words like conjecture on a family website, I should think so too:D:D

Eric 05-07-2012 15:24

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Why don't we all just wait for the movie to come out ... that should settle the question:rolleyes:? Seems like the movie will touch on Di's relationships in the last few years of her life. Mmmmm ... a cast of thousands.;)

jaysay 05-07-2012 17:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1001334)
Why don't we all just wait for the movie to come out ... that should settle the question:rolleyes:? Seems like the movie will touch on Di's relationships in the last few years of her life. Mmmmm ... a cast of thousands.;)

Ya Naomi Watts is playing her, but unfortunately another warts and all version by Keith Allen (Lily's father) has had to be shelved, a tad too controversial according to reports

yerself 07-07-2012 21:18

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Originally Posted by MargaretR
I suppose you think that radioactive polonium can readily bought in any arab market and, in view of the horrendous effect on the body, it is an ideal way to commit suicide

You want to take care of what you smoke Maggie, never mind using the weed of the witch as a safety shield, you don't know what's in that Golden Virginia.
Polonium has been found in tobacco smoke from tobacco leaves grown with phosphate fertilizers.
How Does Polonium 210 Kill ? - Softpedia

MargaretR 13-12-2012 13:59

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1001334)
Why don't we all just wait for the movie to come out ...

It has -

This Keith Allen's film about the death of Diana.
It was screened in USA but is banned in UK.
I was able to watch because it was uploaded to Russian rutube.
part 1
?????????? ???????? (????? ??????) ? ???????? ?????? ?????, ?????????!

part 2
?????????? ???????? (????? ??????) ? ???????? ?????? ?????, ?????????!

part 3
?????????? ???????? (????? ??????) ? ???????? ?????? ?????, ?????????!

Even though those links look rubbish, they do work, and the commentary is in English.

Boeing Guy 13-12-2012 17:13

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What you omit to mention Margaret, is Unlawful Killing was mainly financed by Mohammed Al-Fayed.
The last time I checked he blamed Prince Philip for that accident.
Forgive me for saying this, but that conflict of interest does rather skew the story.

Shurm 13-12-2012 17:44

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Why is it banned when you can watch it everywhere else ?

cashman 13-12-2012 18:32

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Originally Posted by Shurm (Post 1031970)
Why is it banned when you can watch it everywhere else ?

Probably cos we are far more "Controlled" than we care to admit.

Boeing Guy 13-12-2012 18:51

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1031956)
It was screened in USA but is banned in UK.
.

Actually the film is not Banned, but because of the threat of litigation, after all it is rather biased, insurers will not indemnify the distributors in the UK or France.
See here:
Princess Diana documentary Unlawful Killing is shelved | Film | guardian.co.uk
And here:
Keith Allen's Princess Diana film 'Unlawful Killing' shelved - Movies News - Digital Spy

As normal the truth is more boring than the fantasy:rolleyes:

Shurm 13-12-2012 19:02

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After watching that you can see why its banned.

Boeing Guy 13-12-2012 19:08

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Originally Posted by Shurm (Post 1031979)
After watching that you can see why its banned.

Did you bother to read the last post?:banlama:
As I said:
Actually the film is not Banned, but because of the threat of litigation, after all it is rather biased, insurers will not indemnify the distributors in the UK or France.:rolleyes:

This means it has simply been shelved

MargaretR 13-12-2012 19:16

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The inquest jury returned a verdict of 'unlawful killing' despite the attempts of the judge to persuade them otherwise.

That fact did not get publicity.

Boeing Guy 13-12-2012 19:22

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1031984)
The inquest jury returned a verdict of 'unlawful killing' despite the attempts of the judge to persuade them otherwise.

That fact did not get publicity.

Your right Margaret they did decide on Unlawful Killing, however the verdict said, due to the "gross negligence" of Henri Paul and the actions of the paparazzi, something that Al-Fayed, the financer of this film did not agree with.
BBC NEWS | UK | Princess Diana unlawfully killed

Tealeaf 13-12-2012 19:32

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No doubt Margaret is now busy surfing the web to find evidence of the conspiracy orchestrated by Prince Phillip, the Freemasons and MI5/6 to murder nurse Jacintha Saldanha for bringing the Royal Family into disrepute.

Boeing Guy 13-12-2012 19:34

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You know what really bugs me, is when you question someone's conspiracy belief on here, they just ignore you and carry on posting as if you don't exist.

I am afraid that is rather rude

MargaretR 13-12-2012 20:08

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1031989)
You know what really bugs me, is when you question someone's conspiracy belief on here, they just ignore you and carry on posting as if you don't exist.

I am afraid that is rather rude

I don't argue - I just attempt to present the alternative opinion.

There are two sides to any story and you are entitled to take one of them.

I prefer just to observe both.

I may well find one version more credible than the other, but since both versions have flaws, I reserve 'judgement'.

After all, unless you are there when an event occurs, you can never be sure what happened.

Boeing Guy 13-12-2012 20:21

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Fair comment Margaret,
I have not took any side of any story, I just prefer to look at all available facts and make a rational decision.
Your postings regarding the film, Unlawful Killing, have omitted key facts, the producer/financier, the real reason the film is not being shown in the UK.
You also omit the jury's reasons behind the verdict they gave for Unlawful Killing and the fact Dodi's Father did not agree with it.
Without those simple facts you cannot make a unbiased opinion.

The facts are Dodi and Diana were in a car, being driven at high speed, they were not wearing seatbelts and the car crashed into a concrete pillar at high speed, while being chased by the paparatzzi.The front seat passenger survived.
Other facts are as follows, the Driver Henri Paul was a employee of the Ritz Hotel and the car, a Mercedes Benz S class belonged to the Ritz, Mohammed Al-fayed owned the Ritz at the time.
Anything you want to assume is up to you

MargaretR 13-12-2012 20:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 1031988)
No doubt Margaret is now busy surfing the web to find evidence of the conspiracy orchestrated by Prince Phillip, the Freemasons and MI5/6 to murder nurse Jacintha Saldanha for bringing the Royal Family into disrepute.

I did that yesterday (man):D
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ml#post1031823

"Will the real Jacintha Saldanha stand up please"

Yesterday that fiasco looked very 'fabricated'.

Today it just seems an irrelevant diversion.
Sad IF someone died but Sh... happens.

Shurm 13-12-2012 20:50

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After watching that you can see why it's been shelved

Is that better :D

MargaretR 15-12-2012 12:51

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The links no longer work.
Don't you just luuuurrrrv censorship:rolleyes:

kestrelx 15-12-2012 12:58

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1032274)
The links no longer work.
Don't you just luuuurrrrv censorship:rolleyes:

Must be a conspiracy Margaret! :eek::rolleyes:

Shurm 15-12-2012 13:33

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Glad I watched it now. :D

Boeing Guy 15-12-2012 18:35

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Oooooh Dark Forces........Prince Phillip.....MI6 .....or just Bollo@@s:eek:

Restless 15-12-2012 18:43

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Fayed calls Phillip a Nazi

Later we see Harry go to a party in a Nazi uniform.

These elements are surely questionable, but I doubt we will truly know exactly what went on with Diana. So it might as well be Bollo@@s


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