In search of a ACR
 

Would anyone know if ACR Roofing Contractors are still trading/contactable. They did a good job on my flatroof some years ago and I would like them to come back and check it over.

The phone number on the their letterhead is now an unconnected private number. The address was Trawden Close.

Thanks

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So, why if they did a good job would you need them to check it over?

are you or one of your pals suddenly going to produce the number?

Surely if the number is disconnected gives you a very good reason to get someone else?

I can't keep that number going, too many folk complaining, OR I owe too much money.

Have a nice Christmas but not at AccyWebbers expense.

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That's a funny (strange) and rather bad mannered answer to a simple question, politely asked. Are you just back from the pub??

ACR did my flat roof 17 years ago, and as a measure of their professionalism it has not been a bit of bother since. However, this type of roof system doesn't last for ever and I wanted to give ACR opportunity to check it out before it starts leaking. Pretty sure I've seen their transit knocking about so when I found their contact details from 17 years ago where no more, and the yellow pages went in the recycling some while ago I turned to the famed and well respected Accrington Web.

Unfortunately I seem to have attracted a reply from the village idiot.

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No, you have attracted the attention of someone that has seen this con on here before, post five then advertise and disappear with folks cash, without being insulting, prove me wrong.
:D

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Well if you use your initiative and google ACR Roofing Accrington you will see they come up on several websites with that address but no phone number. Looks like they may not be in business or perhaps only have a mobile no which they haven't disclosed? Why don't you go round to Trawden Close and ask them?

Far better than getting into a spat on Accyweb.

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Killjoy!

Was looking forward to his mate coming on site claiming to be them and ready to do any repairs needed, he may even have called me a moron or something because I dared to doubt this thread as genuine.
(If, when he does sign in and post, what's the betting he has the same IP address as the post starter).
:D

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Oh dear Less, sorry I spoil all your fun... I take things too literally but can see what you were getting at.

It just annoys me sometimes that people come on here with queries that they could sort out themselves in two ticks on the net.

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That's what should ring alarm bells with us all, They can manage to come on site, go to questions and answers, post a thread, but aren't capable of googling?

If we just let one cowboy through, innocents can be ripped off, the cowboys go away but accyweb is tarnished because this is the site these folk worked from.
:(

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Point taken, I bow to your superior knowledge and far greater experience of Accyweb and its ups and downs. :o

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I wish I could say it's never happened, but it has less chance of happening again, I'd rather jump on a thread like this and be called a village idiot by the thread starter than leave it alone and a month down the line have someone say they've lost money they can't afford because no-one stopped the cowboy, (no amount of googling will find them then).
:D

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Great Harwood isn't a newbie. Joined in 2008. Posts have been rare but the earliest is from 2008. This looks genuine to me.

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To be fair, he did say the number was disconnected, and although you found them on the web, you could not find a phone number.

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By the way, I am from Great Harwood but I have no connection to the poster, Great Harwood. Promise!

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He did say the number on their letterhead - from 17 years ago? Could have been changed since then.

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I think your idea that he visits their premises was best. It is strange though that they are on the web but don't list a phone number.

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i have been roofing most of my working life, most recent flat roofs (last 25 years or so) would have been laid in modern materials, and far superior to the old flat roof bad name syndrome, i am now retired with two new knees, but i would think if its lasted 17 years, its been laid correctly, and will last indefinetly, roofing products are better these days, not every roofer is a cowboy, whoever did the job originally took care and had pride in his work, remember the old saying if it isnt broke dont fix it,

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It may be genuine n it may not be? Thing is when yeh have seen stuff like this oer the years that have been cons, its much wiser imho to ring alarm bells, when summat is so easy to check out, that is much better in my view than 1 person being conned.

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Thats why I am checking to see if anyone knows if ACR or their successors are still trading. i.e. they did a good job. It is a simple question. Every 2 years when more than 12 years old, my new insurers require a piece of paper from a competent roofer to say my roof is ok to insure.

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Maybe if you had put that in your first post you would have got a more sympathetic hearing...although, you were perhaps not to know the things that have gone on before, that make people so very wary of requests such as yours.

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I was going to write a ranting defence of my request for a telephone number, but decided not to get down to the level of Less and Susie.
Though I would suggest that the Moderator(s) take note of this so called 'spat' and contemplate whether this is the way they want Accyweb to go. With 10 years experience moderating on a similar board there is no way I would allow members to take it upon themselves to take on freelance moderating by beating down and bullying another member.
Less and Susie who, it seems, are not located in Accrington and with 12000 posts and only 150 likes between them, sort of puts them in perspective.

An apology would be nice.;)




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Doh! Obviously! T h a t s w h y I w a s a s k i n g :rolleyes:

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greatharwood, I can't see why you want an apology......are you so tender hearted that you cannot take those comments?
If you are, then it perhaps explains why you have come here so infrequently.
The two people you quoted have those posts to their name because they come here and contribute to the forum...if everyone visited and posted to the forum as often as you have seemed to do, then there would be no forum to moderate.

You obviously do not know the forum well, or you would appreciate some of the concerns behind what you perceive as a hostile reception.

I am not getting at you here, I am just trying to make you see a little sense and reason.

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I did wink after the request for an apology...

And you have got to admit I did get a rough ride with some quite personal insults just for asking for a phone number. How as I to know asking for phone numbers for a local lad would be so out of order? Perhaps if I had been asked a question without the venom I would have been able to put everyone's mind at rest.

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I'm sorry, I failed to spot the wink.
I don't know about a rough ride...if you have any complaints about the way other forum members treat you, then there is a little triangle to report the post to the moderators...who will then decide if there was any infringement of the rules.

As I said, you have to know what has gone on in the recent past to really appreciate the concerns that were outlined.
I have always found Accyweb to be a place where genuine help can be obtained...if you have put in some of the brainwork and legwork yourself first.
Some people just don't do that - they want someone else to do it for them( and I'm not suggesting for one minute that, that is you).

The suspicion that some of these requests for help are met with, is understandable when you take these things into consideration.

As for the moderators - it is never a good idea to criticise them for the job they do(which is voluntary).....they cannot read everything, and the rely on people to use their common sense and report posts that are problematic.

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As far as I know I am innocent of insulting or bullying you. I merely pointed out that by a bit of googling you could have found out for yourself that the company appears to have no phone number. And if as Margaret suggested you had put in your first post the reason you wanted the company's details, ie for the insurance check, you might have got some more helpful feedback.

And if I may be permitted a gentle correction to what you said in post 24, in your first post you did not ask for a phone number, you asked whether anyone knew if the company was still trading.

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So, I voice my suspicions about post #1, you call me a village idiot and yet you feel insulted?
Don't talk out your bum.

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I like your use of statistics Great Harwood. You suggest that "Less and Susie with 12000 posts and only 150 likes between them" shows that we are somehow we are shown to be the bad guys because of the (?relatively) few likes we have received in relation to the number of our posts. I would remind you that the "like" system has only been in operation for less than four weeks and that Less has probably acquired more likes in that period than anyone else on Accyweb.

Yes, it's Friday night, I'm tired and bored and I wish I were in the pub...

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Susie, in his first post he did say trading/contactable and mentioned the previous phone number. By contactable, I inferred he was after a current phone number.

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Michael, I think we'd better head back to DtheP's thread on Anything Goes. Far more enjoyable over there than this nit pcking.

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OK, see you there. By the way, I don't have nits!

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It is a post that looks like many others that have been started on site, one person comes on, asks about a service or company and lo and behold usually within an hour or so the owner of a company logs in and announces their presence.
Getting free advertising on the site without anyone knowing if they are good, bad or indifferent.

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I absolutely agree, I've known several decent and honest roofers/building workers, unfortunately there are some cowboys as well, caution needs to be applied when dealing with expensive repairs.
I applied this caution and my doubts, I would rather be wrong than have one member of our site ripped off by the unscrupulous.

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@ Margaret + michael1954 - thank you for your sensible contributions

@ janhost - just seen the weather forecast and am comforted by your professional opinion of my 17 year old roof!

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Yes, I do apologise about the 'likes' comment. Isn't it annoying when someone makes comments about you when they have the facts wrong. Hope you managed the pub.

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You claim to have 10 years experience as a mod and yet your second post today was hardly correct.
Under no circumstances was I Moderating, beating down or bullying another member.
An unknown posted, we have had similar posts, I gave a list of reasons why I found your post suspect working on past experience.

Your expert moderators reaction?

In comparison my reply was quite polite,
Perhaps your style of modding is the reason you are perhaps an ex mod?
Certainly your style of reply could do with a touch of moderation.

I would rather warn fellow members than have one of them possibly ripped off.

You showed a copy of a receipt, o.k. you may be genuine I will however continue to put my friends interests before those of a stranger every time.

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Well on production of a receipt, then i can accept this was a genuine request, What i do not accept is anyone has bullied this fellow, I also find it unbelievable that he has modded fer 10 yrs on a similar board???? Is anyone aware of a similar board thats lasted that long?:confused:Thats summat else we had a fair few of oer the years "Mods From Other Boards" always strikes me as funny, how they feel the need to announce that fact?:rolleyes: Would that be cos they see themselves as more important than us plebs? After calling Less the Village Idiot, i think that seems to be the case,:rolleyes:

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Well after giving this some thought i can recall one of our ex members who has been a mod 10yrs, though the board is no way similar to this!!Long term members here will remember he left here sulking, cos the majority did not agree wi summat he said.and he would not accept the fact he was wrong.Does that ring any bells wi this poster?? This could possibly be that old member Posting this fer friend or family member? stranger things have happened.

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How can a simple uncontroversial question cause so much unnecessary hassle?
The assumptions (without any evidence) that have been made about me and my motives, commonsense (yes, I have heard about Google!) and my experience, have been ludicrous.
As Adrian Shurmer used to say, in another context, never ASSUME - you will make an ASS of U and ME.

Despite what Less assumed about me after only 46 words, my question was genuine. I am genuine. I do know about Google and I have run a Yahoo Group since 1999. I don't think I am necessarily better than anyone else, though other people, by their actions or words, may well prove that, in fact, I am.

Here in Accyweb you have a huge local resource and a great place for people to get connected, yet it seems if you ask what some members think is the 'wrong question' you are slapped down without any reasonable enquiry.
To be faced by Less's initial incoherent contribution, out of the blue, makes you think WTF!
Just to show what a good guy I am I think I'm right in saying that I am the only poster to have apologised in this thread:)
A great welcome to Accrington!

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What a load of sanctimonious crap, all yeh have apologised for,is the "Likes" comment,:rolleyes: No way have yeh conceded there is a valid reason fer that comment, Its probably beyond yeh to even consider that, So as fer yeh being a good guy, the jurys out wi me.:rolleyes: anyway I'm off to the match now so bye bye.

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I'll quote you rather than the diatribe of hurt in Clayton if you don't mind cashy.
He wants an apology? On your monocycle you winghing pleb.
I've already been far too polite with you, get thee from this place until you can actually post like what we does.

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Nope.......I apologised to you for missing the smiley at the end of a post.

This thread has gone on far longer than it would have if everyone just took things with a pinch of salt.

I did try to explain Less' motives for what you saw as an inflammatory repsonse......There was no need for anything else to be said.

As for the receipt.......well, it could be genuine, but then again anyone with a modicum of computer savvy could have formulated that.......it proves very little....Not that I am casting aspersions on your integrity greatharwood...I'm not. I am just trying to be a devil's advocate...a balanced poster....seeing both sides of the discussion.

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Unfortunately Margaret there aren't two sides to the argument so far as he's concerned, he's right and I'm a village idiot.
The pinch of salt I'll take with it, though too much salt is bad for you.
I've enjoyed Learning from an ex mod I do wonder, with his display of moderator skills, how did his site last ten years?

Re: In search of a ACR
 

Less, only a pinch...not a sackful.
We need a little salt to survive.
As for the 'two sides to an argument' thing...maybe arguments/discussions are like versions of the truth, there is your truth, his truth and then something in the middle which is probaly the 'real' truth.

A sense of perspective is all that is required.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1033563

A sense of perspective is all that is required.[/QUOTE]

Yes, how true, I will continue to perceive in favour of members that I know.

:)

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That's fine by me Less.

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Got a bit fed up reading all the replies, many of which didn't seem to answer your question. My apologies if I'm now giving you information which is already in one of the responses. ACR was a roofing firm that was run by Cliff Davenport, who was a great chap. He had a good set of lads working for him and as far as I know always did a professional and competent job. He did some vertical tiling and some flat roof work (built up felt) for me which lasted over 25 years. The flat roof was still not leaking when I had it replaced because some of the felt edges were beginning to age and crack. Unfortunately Cliff retired many years ago and as far as I know, the company stopped trading. I'm afraid you will not be able to get this company back to check your roof. I hope this answers your original question.

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At last a sensible and helpful answer to a simple question,what a pity it took a junior member to send it instead of all the completely unwarranted venom and mistrust right from the first response.

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Point taken Dave but we might have been waiting a long time for that answer. Superwhite's last post was last September.

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I take your point also Susie but just as some people seem to spend most of their day on here some others are more casual(for the want of a better word) members and contribute only when a relevent topic arises and they have something to add to that
topic.Both have the same right whether a senior member or a junior and should be afforded the same respect until it transpires that respect is not warrented.Surely ??
Rant over!!

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OK Dave, just speculating as to whether the responder may not have been online at all since the thread started and hence any reply would be a bit late or out of date. The relevant topic arose some weeks before the reply but of course all members should have the same respect if warranted.

Think we both know what we mean. Actually it's good to see that someone does have some concrete information about this, even if it may not be what the thread starter was hoping for.

BTW if you have noticed that I am one of those who seem to spend most of their day on here, it's because I'm not well, unable to do much else sometimes, and bored. Accyweb has been a great help to me in overcoming this, I'm not here for any other reason.

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Exactly Susie the site suits you for what you need it for and that what matters

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Holy feces Batperson, another Moses has arrived to lead us from the wasteland of our ignorance and error into the Promised Land of god-knows-what:rolleyes:

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So more junior members arn't allowed to post an opnion ??

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You can post as many opinions as you like, just don't expect everyone to take them with more than the minimum pinch of salt.

I think you will find we get a few junior members on a regular basis that want the site to be run their way, the site and it's members are diverse, what is wrong about it for you may just be perfect for others.
;)

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Thank you, superwhite. I can start looking for an alternative roofing firm now. Your experience of ACR sounds similar to mine.
In deference to Less, I won't be asking for recommendations of alternative roofers on here. I'll just leave the thread to be viewed by others to make up their minds whether there is a lesson to be learned on how members treat each other.
I think Big Dave will see my point. Thanks for your contribution.

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Got it in one there, bud. Senior members ... sounds better than owd farts;) ... emerged fully developed from the forehead of Wisdom. There was no tentative testing of toes in the murky waters of AccyWeb. We were not born; we were created. We don't post opinions; we speak Truth.:alright: Get used to it.

By the way, forget about cliques. There are none ... well, apart from the Fellowship of the Hat:dancedog:. There is merely the infallible host of the Wise ... oh, and C'mon;):D