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Gremlin 12-09-2013 15:20

Where is this?
 
This photograph has been posted on the Transport Worldwide forum and the members have been trying to establish where it was taken.

They say it was taken in Feb 1967 and the train was taking Manchester United supporters to Burnley.

A few members have suggested Accrington but being a newcomer I can't remember the old station and lines.
If it is Accrington and it is coming off the viaduct then it must be going back to Manchester.

Does anybody have a definite yes or no whether it is Accrington? I doubt it.

Thanks in advance for looking.

Bob Dobson 12-09-2013 15:47

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The photo has been attacked by gremlins, Gremlin.

cashman 12-09-2013 16:12

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Well me eyes aint bad, but aint got X-Ray vision.:D

Gremlin 12-09-2013 16:19

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Ooops, sorry, trying to make my dinner and post at the same time.
Obviously I am not very good at multi tasking.

At least my jacket potato was good, and the Aussie white plonk even better.

I did find out that Burnley didn't play Manchester United in February 1957 but they did on the 22 April that year and lost 2-0.

jaysay 12-09-2013 17:06

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Could well be Accy Gremlin, looking at the arches

Retlaw 12-09-2013 18:14

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Originally Posted by Gremlin (Post 1075394)
Ooops, sorry, trying to make my dinner and post at the same time.
Obviously I am not very good at multi tasking.

At least my jacket potato was good, and the Aussie white plonk even better.

I did find out that Burnley didn't play Manchester United in February 1957 but they did on the 22 April that year and lost 2-0.

If that is suuposed to be Accy Stn, and what looks like the viaduct, which to me is the wrong shape as its a straght run over Blackburn Rd. Then that train is coming from Burnley. if thats Accy Stn & it carry's on it will be heading in the direction of Manchester

cashman 12-09-2013 18:28

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Don't look right to me the way i remember the approach from Burnley into accy station????:confused::confused:

davidf 12-09-2013 19:27

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Gremlin, can you please clarify whether it's supposed to have been taken in 1967 or 1957?
Didn't there used to be a footbridge from the Blackburn platform to the Manchester platform? It doesn't appear in the photo, though.

Gremlin 12-09-2013 20:00

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It says on the caption it was taken in February 1967 taking Manchester United supporters to Burnley.
The two chimneys just behind the engine looked at though they are on Blackburn Road between the arches and Town Hall so I think it rules out that the photo is of Accrington.

Sorry I put 1957 in my second post.

Mog 12-09-2013 20:26

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This is Accrington Station in 1966 looking to Blackburn on the right or west and Manchester on the Up or South,

cashman 12-09-2013 20:27

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Whats really confusing me, is i cannot remember another big viaduct between Manchester n Burnley??:confused:

accyman 12-09-2013 20:42

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1075425)
Whats really confusing me, is i cannot remember another big viaduct between Manchester n Burnley??:confused:

our viaduct is supposed to be pretty unique so id say that was it

Gremlin 12-09-2013 20:57

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when did they lift the line out of Accrington to Manchester?
There is a photo on this forum taken by one of our members dated 1967 and the rails to Manchester have gone.

yerself 12-09-2013 20:58

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Originally Posted by cashman
Whats really confusing me, is i cannot remember another big viaduct between Manchester n Burnley??:confused:

Here's Burnley viaduct, you go over it as you're coming into or leaving Burnley Central.

File:47124 crosses Burnley Viaduct.jpg - Wikimedia Commons


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ey_Viaduct.jpg

cashman 12-09-2013 21:03

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Ah cheers yerself, never did take much notice of owt the Dingles had.:D would guess its probably that un then?

cashman 12-09-2013 21:06

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Originally Posted by Gremlin (Post 1075432)
when did they lift the line out of Accrington to Manchester?
There is a photo on this forum taken by one of our members dated 1967 and the rails to Manchester have gone.

Think the line was still in place in 67 Gremlin. Near sure twas 69 when i was drunk in charge of a wheelchair off platform 1.

lancsdave 12-09-2013 22:04

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1075434)
Ah cheers yerself, never did take much notice of owt the Dingles had.:D would guess its probably that un then?

Not unless they have done some major consturction work. The Burnley viaduct links Central station with Barracks, it's a straight run.

lancsdave 12-09-2013 22:12

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There must have been some changes, the picture of the signal box ( presumably the same one in Gremlins picture ) shows a line bending off somewhere, presumably the Todmorden line

Retlaw 12-09-2013 22:44

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 1075448)
There must have been some changes, the picture of the signal box ( presumably the same one in Gremlins picture ) shows a line bending off somewhere, presumably the Todmorden line

That Signal box has Burnley Central on it, nowt to do with Accy Stn. Which Gremlin thought his picture was.

Gremlin 13-09-2013 07:00

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It is still a mystery to me, the line to Todmorden branches off a long way from Burnley Central station, just after Rose Grove.

lancsdave 13-09-2013 07:42

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Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 1075459)
That Signal box has Burnley Central on it, nowt to do with Accy Stn. Which Gremlin thought his picture was.

To be pedantic the thread is titled 'Where is This' . :p

It does go on to discuss Burnley :)

lancsdave 13-09-2013 07:44

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Originally Posted by Gremlin (Post 1075473)
It is still a mystery to me, the line to Todmorden branches off a long way from Burnley Central station, just after Rose Grove.

It does now but did it then ? Have to admit I can't think of anywhere that it would cross the town in that area.

umpire 13-09-2013 09:02

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No way Accrington, too much industry on left, no footbridge, no station canopies.
There was no platform on south to west line as shown.

Gremlin 13-09-2013 11:32

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I have just spent an hour trawling through the remainder of my railway books and come across the original article and photograph.
The photograph depicts a special train (one of three) on the 18 March 1967 entering Top Bank station Burnley.
The train hauled by Class 5 No. 44809 was special No. 1T80 and had left Liverpool at 11.10 AM. carnying football fans to watch the Match at Burnley.

It appears that the original poster on the Transport Worldwide Forum had got his facts wrong about the date and football team.

wadey 13-09-2013 12:19

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On Dave's photo is that the Trafalgar Flats in the background ?

lancsdave 13-09-2013 13:21

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Originally Posted by wadey (Post 1075503)
On Dave's photo is that the Trafalgar Flats in the background ?

I would say so. They would be newly built then wouldn't they ?

Think that's Clock Tower Mill at Sandygate nearer to it

wadey 15-09-2013 21:28

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Burnley Central Station | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

wadey 15-09-2013 21:29

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The curved bit of track cannot be the Tod line

wadey 15-09-2013 22:01

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Looking at the 1890 map Burnley Central (Bank Top) had dozens of lines, sheds etc

http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/environ...y/burnleye.jpg

Greeny 16-09-2013 10:49

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My hubby worked on trains for 45 yrs and says the photo is Burnley Central looking from Bank Hall sidings.

davidf 16-09-2013 18:52

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Originally Posted by Gremlin (Post 1075432)
when did they lift the line out of Accrington to Manchester?
There is a photo on this forum taken by one of our members dated 1967 and the rails to Manchester have gone.

In the book "The Archive Photographs Series - Accrington" by John Goddard is a photo showing the Manchester platform, and the date is given as 1970. A single track is there for all to see, and part of the caption accompanying the photo reads, "The Manchester platform and the booking hall were used after closure for goods traffic." The photograph shows loaded trolleys on the platform. Do we take it that goods services continued for some time after passenger services had been discontinued?

cashman 16-09-2013 18:56

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Originally Posted by davidf (Post 1075880)
In the book "The Archive Photographs Series - Accrington" by John Goddard is a photo showing the Manchester platform, and the date is given as 1970. A single track is there for all to see, and part of the caption accompanying the photo reads, "The Manchester platform and the booking hall were used after closure for goods traffic." The photograph shows loaded trolleys on the platform. Do we take it that goods services continued for some time after passenger services had been discontinued?

Think that may be likely davidf, I know they were still shifting wheelchairs from Fred Millers on platform1 69/70. Cos i shifted one meself to the King Wah went drunk.:D

TubbyLes 16-09-2013 19:45

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Well done.Just to tie the ribbons----

davidf 16-09-2013 19:47

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What intrigues me is the tightness of the curve, it looks much too tight to be either Burnley or Accrington compared to how the viaducts and final approaches to both stations are depicted on my old maps.

Gremlin 16-09-2013 19:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gremlin (Post 1075500)
I have just spent an hour trawling through the remainder of my railway books and come across the original article and photograph.
The photograph depicts a special train (one of three) on the 18 March 1967 entering Top Bank station Burnley.
The train hauled by Class 5 No. 44809 was special No. 1T80 and had left Liverpool at 11.10 AM. carnying football fans to watch the Match at Burnley.

It appears that the original poster on the Transport Worldwide Forum had got his facts wrong about the date and football team.

My book called it Bank Top station but it was the name for Burnley Central.

Anyway, job sorted now, I have put the same information on the Transport Worldwide forum which is where I saw the photo in the first place.
One poster had even said it was Lostock Hall.

Lost in Cornwall 17-09-2013 07:13

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In the late 60's a group of us as early teenagers used to go down Accy station on a Friday night to help load the parcels service and generally muck about down there. The single track didn't go beyond the end of Platform 1. The parcels train came in from Burnley and used to reverse out before heading on to Blackburn. Can't remember when they knocked the old booking hall down and built the shed on the other side but I think that brought the parcels service to an end.


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