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Does anyone know what's been happening at the coppice? The gates are sealed off with police tape.
Jb x

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It wasn't me!

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Is that supposed to be funny?

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It was meant in a light-hearted way, Neil. Nothing to do with the gravity of the occurrence.

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I never found it amusing either. A teenage girl was sexually assaulted. Nothing light-hearted about it. But hey that's just me

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No doubt, "yes" ... Maybe some find it insensitive, like that N(eed) A(nother) S(even) A(stronauts) one ... but one shouldn't assume that because someone seems to make light of a serious event he is making light of violence against women. To infer that is a form of pc-ism. Just put it down to "Yorkshire humor.":rolleyes: ... and let's get on with our lives in this screwed-up world.

As an afterthought; here's one from '67: "Hey; they found Donald Campbell. He came out of a tap in Manchester."

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I'm sure the girl and her parents will be much happier knowing that.
I can only assume he has never experienced the effect of such an incident on a girl of any age. Maybe you haven't either defending his insensitive comment.

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The examples you give are original and witty Eric, irreverent and black humour too, I am struggling to see any of that in Jim's post?

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Maybe ... but Neil's question was, "Is that supposed to be funny?" I believe humor was intended ... but the "Intentional Fallacy" kicks in. Jim "intended" humor, and failed ... well, in my opinion anyway. Just because he failed to mouth the appropriate platitudes of shock and outrage doesn't mean that he believes sexual assault is "funny".

Come to think of it, violence against women is endemic in all societies ... yes, even in our enlightened ones. In some cultures, those where women are not considered "human", let alone "equal", women face FGM, forced marriage, and not being allowed to drive;). Here in the Great White North, aboriginal women are sexually abused and murdered, just because they are merely "squaws". Women are "imported" and forced into the sex trade. In the U. S. of Eh., prominent members of the Tea Party believe that a woman impregnated during a rape should be forced to carry the fetus to term. ... I suppose I could go on for much longer, but I hope I have made a point.

Rather than wringing our hands, and mouthing appropriate outrage and other synonyms of that word, maybe we should actually be doing something to address a problem that stubbornly refuses to go away, even in our enlightened times.

By the by, I remember another one from '67: "Campbell's have come out with a new soup. The call it Cream of Coniston." Now, that one I don't find all that funny ... just me I guess.;)

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Jim isn't an everyday accywebber so to come on and make a random comment in such a thread... nah.

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For the record,I can see Jims comment as a 'form of humour'.

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why does that not surprise me

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What's funny about somebody denying they have taped off access through the Coppice gates?

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The idea of censoring someone's humour, even on subjects (like this) which may well make folk uncomfortable is not the answer (imo).
Freedom of expression is a part of who we are.Jim's comment (assuming he meant he didn't commit the assault :rolleyes:) may of been a little distasteful.
Folk with that sort of (dark) humour should be allowed to express it just like those who find it unpleasant should be allowed to say how they feel about it.

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Now I don't know if Jim was referring to the gates being closed or the serious assault up there.
Think he's hunkered down in YO34 4HT ;) and may tell us in due course.
Humour in a lot of cases is used to deflect from the seriousness of the situation oh yes.
Without a post from Jim who knows what his motives or focus was.

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Posted a link in the over 18 section (it does contain a few "f" words) to a blog where a banker's lunch gets spoiled by Mr Brand.
Feedom of expression in spades AccyX
Witty, dark, blasphemous, sarcastic and denigrating women but worth a read.

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Wow ... all the good stuff, eh:alright: Pity I'm not allowed in there to read it;)

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Once you reach 18 yr old you may be allowed in, Eric.

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For me, a true sisyphean task;)

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Jim's attempt at humour may have been best not attempted but you seem to be suggesting that as he isn't an 'everyday accywebber' he has less right to make a comment, however out of place, than an 'everyday accywebber'.
Surely not so?

Can't have you getting too exited at your age- bad for you.
You won't have had the doubtful pleasure of seeing the obnoxious Mr. Brand. You've missed nothing- he's most unpleasant. More so because he uses being obnoxious, offensive and rude to get notoriety and publicity.

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On a more serious note: Evidently, a young woman was assaulted on the Coppice. Sadly, the majority of such crimes go unreported; and this is partly the fault of law enforcement agencies whose attitudes are still mired in the middle ages ... or at least the nineteenth century. There are certain truths surrounding this assault that do not easily lead to a humorous interpretation. Most of them concern the fact that, on the day she was assaulted, millions of women on this insane planet of ours were also victims of violence. Many more millions, perhaps as many as a couple of billion, are denied their rights, political and human, by governments and religion. That many women are now political leaders, CEOs of major corporations, doctors, lawyers, writers, thinkers ... you name it, merely masks the fact that for most women, "feminism" never happened, nor does it seem likely that it will happen soon. Attempts at "top-down" solutions to the problems ... and if you don't think such things selling women into sexual slavery are problems, you have a problem ... will never work. You cannot legislate what people think ... or, for that matter, what people consider humorous. Change has to come from the bottom ... which will be us. And we don't need harsher laws; we need to create a climate in which women feel comfortable .... maybe that ain't the right word, but I believe you know what I mean ... going to the authorities knowing that their cases will be taken seriously.

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Whatever. You being that guy that stirs the pot / devils advocate. I wasn't surprised you recognise his humour.

Sigh

No it means that not being regular its hard to get a feel for him as a person and what he is like. If you had posted it would be more disappointing

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Please can we not go back to the 50's and earlier?
I can remember my mother and two aunts discussing a young lass that had been raped, their conclusion with hardly any thought was:-

"Well she must have been asking for it, Out at 7.30 P.M. on her own, what else can she expect?".

Yes, back then the women strangely seemed to blame the woman not the rapist!

Any woman/girl should be able to walk anywhere at any-time without the threat of molestation, but unfortunately it isn't going to happen, some strange folk patrol the whole of the world.

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That's the trouble with posts and even emails.
You never get a feel for the real person, you both show the person you want to be seen.
You can't beat face to face talking.
I'm sure many folk on here would never say to someone's face the things they say to each other in posts and what you really mean can get missed in typed words.
I hate using smilies but sometimes they help add feeling to a post.

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I remember an episode of "Coronation Street" in which Ena and Minnie were gossiping about Elsie Tanner. It went something like this. Ena stated that people who were evicted could keep their bed and tools of their trade. For Elsie, according to Ena, they were the same thing.

Those, let's say "Sharplesian" attitudes ... A new word, eh:alright: That doesn't happen every day:D ... are still with us, fortunately not to the same degree. When 16 year old Rinelle Harper was raped and beaten, then left for dead on the banks of the Assiniboine River, I kinda doubt that she requested it. The fact that a woman dresses her best for a Saturday nite out does not mean she wants to be beaten and raped. She may be looking for a significant overnight relationship or, more commonly, just a fun nite with her friends; but she has the right to give or withold her consent as she sees fit.

Outdated, twisted conventional wisdoms are still accepted by many; and people are suffering because of them. In some cases it leads to someone's death. Here's one: "Young, black males on the street at night are probably armed and dangerous, and usually violent criminals." That one kinda takes your breath away, doesn't it.:rolleyes:

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Does anyone know anything about the attacker ??

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I'd rather be knowing the poor victim is alright.

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Yes good point, does anyone know anything ??

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You don't have to go that far back Less, a google search on "judge says girl was asking for it" shows those prejudices are still with us and it's not just the judiciary for sure.

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I agree that it's not funny really - these kind of jokes are from the Saville days and best off left there.

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Nope, it's not funny....then again I don't laugh at 'you've been framed' or 'it'll be alright on the night' and I think 'Harry Hills TV Burp' is an abomination because I really fail to see something funny in watching pratfalls like a baby banging it's head against a camera, a dog getting stuck in a cat flap or someones wedding day being ruined when the drunken uncle falls into the cake..but it's always high in the ratings so obviously i'm in the minority. I never write in to complain.....horses for courses, live and let live etc..

Give me the innocent humour of a soot covered Benny Hill and black hand marks on a white hot panted female any day of the week for a belly laugh. And before the resident PC nuggets jump in..even in the 60's, 70's and 80's he always ended up the loser. Pathos was lost on the PC brigade who hounded him out of prime time TV.

I grew up in your 'Saville' days....funnily enough I ain't a drug addled moron driving around the lake district with no regard for the safety of others, and I have a grasp on the fact that humour is subjective.

It's strange how we are constantly told that we have to accept diversity, yet there is always some PC clown who tries to dictate their own version of what is humour and what isn't.

Anyone with half a brain doesn't condone attempted rape or beating women and I doubt very much that Jim meant anything other than a black humour joke (Frankie Boyle makes a lucrative career with this), in my opinion it was a crap joke..but hey...in my opinion, so is a dog getting stuck in a cat flap..guess you guys who pilloried him will not be pulling crackers next week on the 'crap joke' principle.

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What's been forgotten about in all this discussion about humour, poor or not, is what's happened to the poor girl!
Does anyone know how she is?

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Back on thread, I hope the young lass involved in this attack is being supported by her friends, family, and those who are trained to give help....And I hope she is alright.

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It's only as you lose family over the years that you realise how important and pressiose those 'get togethers' at Christmas and other times were.
Don't begrudge it, make the most of it while you can.