Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 716965)

what a load of bull****,im with tealeaf on this why would they fake it,if you think theyve faked why do you believe some unknown whos probably in the propaganda wing of al quaeda hasnt faked it...even the junkie music is crap...

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 716965)

what a load of bull****,im with tealeaf on this why would they fake it,if you think theyve faked why do you believe some unknown whos probably in the propaganda wing of al quaeda hasnt faked it...even the junkie music is crap...

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 716862)

I agree 100%.

A drug-taking, illegally resident, tax-evading, bone-idle cowboy electrician was accidentally shot by policemen in the course of their duty. So far, this man's foreign family have been awarded over half a million in compensation - far more than any of our servicemen or families get for death or injuries incurred for queen and country. That is insufficient, however, to satisfy the nauseating liberal mob - of which there are more than a few on here - who no doubt will not be happy until the smiling British bobby becomes no more than a footnote in their own warped history.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 716974)

Since the police hadn't the foggiest as to the real identity of the man when they shot him, I hardly think his legal status was an issue at the time.

I'm all for the arrest and deportation of illegal immigrants, if that is what he was, though I've struggled to find any concrete evidence to back this up, right and left wing sites both claiming he was/wasn't, but public executions on the tube aren't really the answer, especially in the rush hour.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 717078)

I actually felt sorry for the coppers who actually shot the guy, they were acting on info received, the whole point is if this chap had have been a terrorist and caused another atrocity on the Underground, there would have been holly hell to pay. The bottom line is the the info was flawed and an innocent life was lost and no matter how many enquiries they have had you can't turn the clock back and undo the wrongs

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 717083)

No, but one would like to think it won't happen again.

Copper peeing in a bottle at the time, wrongly identifies de Menezes as the suspect they should have been watching. Follows him on a bus for two miles. Follows him down into the tube station, and executes him in a carriage, a few feet away from other commuters.

Even if he had been a suicide bomber, you'd have thought they could have taken him out earlier, and in a much safer way, than wait until he was a couple of hundred feet underground, in an enclosed space filled with he general public.

The whole thing stank at the time, and still does.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 717102)

I totally Agree Rindi, but is always easy to answer questions with hindsight, "If only" is one of the most used phrases in the English language, and no amount of soul searching is going to alter things now.

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 717104)

It has already 'altered things' - mistrust of the motives of politicians

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 717114)

You can never alter things that have happened Margaret, just hope that people learn by their mistakes, but mistrust of the motives of politicians has always been high on he agenda for lots of people, its just more prominent today than its ever been :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 717116)

No, you can't rewind history, but you can learn from it, in the hope of preventing similar things from happening again.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 717078)

...no matter how many enquiries they have had you can't turn the clock back and undo the wrongs