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My money is on David Cameron becoming the new leader, as long as he gets in to the final two the mass membership are bound to vote for him in overwhelming numbers over Davis..
He appeals to voters of all ages, intelligent, charismatic... I really think he can put a new face to the Conservative party and get them back in to power :)

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Is this realy going to help them or us as to who wins the leadership? Could end up with a Maggie Thatcher type person.

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Thatcher ruled ;)
But yes.. it could make or break the party for the next election. The last three were pretty crap and didn't really do much.. as opposed to someone like Tony Blair who reformed the Labour party..

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They have to have the strongest leader possible to oppose Tony Blair. Without a strong oposition then democrecy faulters and dies. There is no real way to bring Tony down to earth unless someone can match him in a verbal punch up and win. At present he has too much of his own way through the lack of strong opposition.

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i am not a tory ,but i have a lot of time for kenneth clarke...

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The Conservatives are having a party?


Good luck to them.


They'll need it.

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I bet you are going rindy just in case they have PB on as a stripper :D

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I love when New Labour supporters try and flame Conservatives ;)
Since Blair stole all the good ideologys of the right and could well be described as centre-right himself :p

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They steal bits off each other which makes it great to whatch them argue over them. :)

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Indeed, both cover the same ground at the moment, and they'll both still be around the centre unless someone like Liam Fox gets in :D

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For Liam Fox to get in the party would need to be united but there are still a few cracks there that might stop him.

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I think a bet on Cameron is safe.. he will win. its the same old message... scale down goverment (put thousands of people out of work).. cut taxes ( a couple of quid a week to most people, but £100's or £1000's to the tory paymasters ) freedom of the induvidual ( I'm alright jack ,sort yourself out )..help with private health care ( if you've got 3 grand we'll put 2 grand towards your operation... if not stuff you)... exellent stuff, Cameron,Davis,Fox,Clarke... the 4 horsemen

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Scaling down government is a good thing... you can't build a good economy when theres so much state sector..
Help with private health care... you're still going to get NHS if you dont want to go private, so it's hardly 'stuff you'

The labour party changed and theres no reason why the Conservatives can't either. Before the Labour reforms, they were a very socialist party which wasn't liked by many, (hence they wernt the natural party of government), Neil Kinnock and Blair changed that image by pushing through reforms and taking on Conservative ideologies.

Liam fox won't win an election, you can't win when one party is so centre ground and you go over to the right, it just won't work. Cameron/Clarke want to fight on the centre ground which is where 'modern' politics is going to take place

Oh and.. who cares if it knocks £100/£1000 (I dont know the figrues im just quoting yours) off the tax of rich people? If they've worked hard and earnt it surly they have the right to keep it..

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l had the misfortune to attend a private dinner with the old trout and she was just as patronising as she was when she was PM.

New Labour stole all your ideas? Awwwwww:(
Pinch them back and show some innitiative, they are ideas that the voting public apparently want.;)

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I've hust read your profile and realised you were only three when the Tories booted out your lovely Mrs Thatcher, perhaps you have a different memory of her then than those who lived under her caring sharing policies. Three million unemployed, industries closing left right and centre, poll taxes which even got the staid English up in arms and rioting on the streets.:)

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Of course I never lived through it, i've only read about it..
The poll tax wasn't a good idea, because well.. not everyone could afford it could they.. I can't comment on unemployment as i've not read about it.

What I do know, is she got voted in three times, the second time she was voted in she got something like an extra 50 majority making a majority of 400. Some of what she did was obviously liked. Although of course she had her bad points ;)

Oh and.. well yes of course many of the ideologies that New Labour took from the Conservatives were liked, thats the whole point of Labours reform.. i'm just trying to say that politics of today has now turned to the centre ground so somebody like Liam Fox who's rightwing wouldnt win an election right now..

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I'd read a bit more then before you start eulogising about her.:)

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Her economy was initally bad with large scale unemployment as you say, but this was also due to global resession. Her economy soon recovered however with sustained growth..

If it wasn't for her i'm sure the Labour party you see today wouldn't be New Labour at all, it would still be the socialist party of old in which trade unions had all the power.

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As you can probably tell I'm more likely to chop off a limb than vote Conservative, though without being at all patronising, I think it's great someone so youthful has a passion for politics.

Your only hope is that like Labour in the 80's, the Tories now seem unelectable, but like the fickle British public things do change, although I'll fight to my last breath to keep the Tories out. They preached Victorian values, a patriarchal society run on hypocritical lines, which totally backfired when it was revealed there was more sleeze than in the back streets of Soho.

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Complements... aww :( Now I have nothing to argue against :p

Argueing when nobody is right.. is so much fun :p

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Seeing as you were only nine the last time we had a tory government, I'm hoping like acne you'll grow out of conservatism.;)

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I wasn't nine the last time we had a Conservative government. I also remember quite well the governments formed by Wilson and Callaghan at the culmination of which the British public found out the true cost of Labour's single policy version of politics; tax and spend. Which had people with money to invest fleeing the country en masse rather than pay income tax at 90%.

I remember rubbish piling up in the streets and the dead queueing up to be buried because the unions had dragged public sector workers out on strike after strike. I remember the antics of people Like Dereck Hatton in Liverpool and Margaret Hodge in Islington. The era of Champaign Socialism was also the era that allowed in the scourge of Political Correctness.

Margaret Thatcher may not have got everything right, nobody is perfect. She may not have been as diplomatic in her speech as some might have wished but, when she took office she told the nation quite bluntly that the medicine the country needed to get back on its feet would not be pleasant, and for many it was decidedly unpleasant. At least, unlike the present incumbent, she did not lie to the country and to parliament. And before anyone starts bleating about the "Belgrano" that is a different issue.

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I was pulled in to being a Conservative much earlier :p

Back somewhere just before John Major got in to power I was in the newspapers for shaking his hand when he came to Accrington .. I must have been like.. 2 :D

It's all his fault ;)

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Well if its a british trait to back the underdog then the conservatives could return to power at the next election. Think of it this way if in the past hyndburn has had tory councils and tory mp then its not improble that it can happen.

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Yes like being a manufacturing nation, instead of being a service/call centre nation who are now even loosing those jobs to countries with a more populus and cheaper work force like India.

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Like I posted earlier I was invited to a private dinner at the Carlton club, along with the other eleven diner guests was Thatcher. Luckily I didn't have the pleasure of shaking her hand or anything else of hers, otherwise I would have been in the papers but for more serious reasons.;)

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Supporter of Clause 28 were you A-b?

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No, I was not, anymore than you were a supporter of the British involvement in Iraq.

Incidentally, I don't keep track of these things too closely, has Clause 28 been repealed yet?

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No, but the government keep trying, sadly it keeps coming up against those idiots in the Lords.

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No brains or commen sense in that chamber. You can get more sense from kids. Maybe they have had their time and the upper house should be elected. How that would go down with the conservatives is a possible can of worms.

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No matter how may cronies Blair fill the upper house with, it's still amazing that we have a second unelected chamber, whose decisions rule our lives, who are still only there through the privilage of their birth.

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Hmmm. Funny, that. Blair can use the Parliament Act to force through legislation, but only when it suits him, apparently. Must not be that important after all. However, correct me if I am wrong but, I thought that the Government had a majority in the House of Lords too?

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He does but as you can see from my past posts I'm not keen on any unelected second house.

I'm suprised you didn't follow the progress of the repeal of clause 28, you being artistic and educated though.

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"Crack Pipe" Cameron all the way, get your money on

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If your going to have a Tory leader, at least it looks like your going to have an old Etonian toff.

To my mind there's nothing sadder than working class Tories. So all the Tory supporters will be able to at least doff their caps at someone who they will be able to consider their 'better'.

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Unlucky Ken.. you fat bastard

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The face of young Conservatism.

Simply topping.

Glad to see there is no division in your party.:)

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You are wrong Bob.. The Torys still hold the majority in the Lords

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Bob?

You don't need to bob, or even curtsey to me.:)

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now now,,, he is the one tory that labour were afraid of..
as for maggie thatcher ,the snatcher,, pompus old bat... http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_19_3.gifi dont think there will be another woman p.m. for a long long time





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Granny C, I could see you replying to this post and was a little afraid.


Now I've read your post, and your comment on Thatcher, I'd give you karma but I can't.:(

I owe you one.:)

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i always wondered how she could sleep at night..now she is 80..i wonder if she is scared to meet her maker.

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Her maker?


Is Dr Frankenstein still practising?;)