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...... one example of deceptive hype is on the front page
of the caccy observer ..... im looking at it now and having good knowledge of the real story i can only laugh at their news which the headliner is a typification of self glorification of a drama queen tabliod who claim it is all thanks to THEM? I expect only a fraction of readers to understand fully the absurdity of the witch-hunting concensus called democracy who unwittingly fall for this crock of **** all the time.... to label karl as a "drug baron" is more than o.t.t. considering he was just an average "dealer" to which there are a multitude of in every town, hes made out to be a major player but i can assure you he was just average...(there are dealers in this town as young as 8...will they be classed by a/ob as primary school drug princes?)... what false security you are lulled into is that by this over dramatised action you are conned into beleiving it is a cure for the estates problems, and that a/ob & h.b.c. are your saviours... as for the drug side there are much bigger fish who wont get caught because of decoys like karl.... the little fish gets it again! plus the punters who bought from karl will only go elsewhere, it wont SOLVE the drug problems we have, just moves it on like an unwanted child in care of the social services. The real problem with drugs in the modern world is that they are illegal. Put simply, the Drug War exists primarily to support — financially and otherwise — the maintenance of the criminal status of the possession of (certain) drugs so that those (mostly on the payroll of the U.S. and U.N governments) who profit big — directly or indirectly — from the supply of prohibited drugs can continue to do so, at the expense of everyone else, and especially at the expense of the hundreds of thousands of people imprisoned for victimless "crimes". This is a scandal and a disgrace of the first magnitude. It will become for the United States of America (and britain) a source of enduring shame and infamy just as the Third Reich became for Germany. .if there was any wisdom amongst the plethora of drug taking hypocrites who work for government (and there isnt) then they should be asking why drug users prefer being intoxicated instead of sobriety, if its cus life SUCKS then why not take a step back and see it as a whole instead of monkey-mentality-justice... secondly the estate is not exactly an example of a caring place to live..... reminds me of other estates..the typical attitude is to keep one to ones self....thanks to the few tenants who cause this to be... .im sorry but you cant blame karl for the behavour of the residents and their undisciplined offspring can you ....im not saying every resident is bad, but i know of many who dont care about nothing but their own agendas, i know of folks who have been seriously assaulted for merely passing through norfolk grove at night, and funny enough nothing ever gets published in the two-faced tabliods about them, you only know half of it. at least he really cared about his children, unlike most fathers round here who never bother with their kids and only care for their own feelings, .. even i am seperated but i see my kids every day and will not abandon them because i feel a sense of RESPONSIBILITY... unlike most.... is it any wonder schoolgirls are getting pregnant and ruining their lives by thinking lust is a substitute for the lack of a decent father? And karl never thought he was "above" the law...(another assumption). he always said if he gets caught then he would serve his time for it, but will he serve the same average sentence imposed on every dealer who DOESNT make front page? he may end up a victim of gross injustice by the system who may well act ultra-vires due to the over-dramatised situation the press implied.... be honest...dont think the drugs problem will be solved by the observer or the council, their purpose is to sensationalise the banal and wallow in fabricated glory, its just MIS-information to divert you from the real problems facing the entire country, such as bad management of local authority funds, failure of community spirit due to the "divide and rule" policies of government who constantly lie to you and forge statistics so you think they are doing a grand job! what they wont tell you is the truth.... its a crying shame that you trust these people too much and never question their authority of any subject they think they are adept at... such as H.B.C. who should be questioned as to what qualifies them to do what they do, such as dig up a graveyard where the margram is just to provide a couple of parking spaces for the d.i.y. store? (desecrating the dead in the name of capitalism) why give away the council houses to a private business when they knew damn well the gov were due to give away 42 billion to improve council housing? the town centre is a sham and hyndburn works- my ass.... cowboy contractors ... cowboy councillors .... cowboy management ... the only town in lancs where a "black hole" was discovered and you still dont think these people are as dodgy as an n.h.s. prescription? Talking about h.b.c. did you see in the paper a couple of weeks ago the bit about councillor DOBSON giving a certificate to a private slum lord? the headline was... "letting company does sterling job to boost standards" (page 7) ... what a load of fabricated rubbish this dobson spews..... i wonder how this councillor vetted this company? how many properties has he looked at to compare with the general standards of these h.b.c. approved cowboys? the main feature of privatisation is to minimise expenditure and maximise profits (like the lying hyndburn homes who proclaim not-for profit yet the rents go up and up..WHY?) the main agenda is to SKIMP on spending money in order to line the pockets of the few.... this for me is the end of h.b.c. and (un-needed) privatisation to which gives a license to rob the poor. Dont beleive the h.b.c. hype....... its just a diversion to blind you from the real problem, which is THE INCOMPETANCE OF HYNDBURN COUNCIL. |
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There is no such thing as a victmless crime.
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I take it you knew the accused and guilty 'average dealer'?
Surely 'Drugs Baron' is a courtesy title, like allowing a Viscount's child to be called the Honourable so-and-so? So in this case the Observer's report is accurate. |
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If you are such the big, anarchist fighter for social justice go and fight the f*cking system instead of talking about it.
Posting a load of old crap on here for us to read won't bring about the fall of democracy that you so crave. Best of luck. |
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You've complained before that political bias at the BBC has stopped the promotion of your musical acts.
What have you done about it? Wrote a few angry messages on a few local forums. Big deal. If you truly had the belief in your convictions you would be more pro-active. Even the old lezzies that stormed the six o'clock news, and chained themselves to Sue Lawley and Nicholas Witchell, make you look very apathetic. |
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...or he may just be an appologist for a convicted drug dealer.
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If you are calling the accrington observer why did you buy it then or waste your time looking it up on the net. You cant have gone to the library to read it because the library is shut at 11.27pm. If you want to reply to what they say do reply to the paper you might get an answer from them instead of us who dont work for the paper. I agree with willow - there is no victimless crime and the people who do the crime should be punished as far as the law goes.
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Just a little tip.
If you do write to the Observer and they don't reply or print your letter it will probably have more to do with the fact that it's hard to read than that they are censoring you. |
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Only read the first few sentences then relised what a plonker he sounded, remember the urban terrorist Wolfy, the whole worlds against us, the goverment lies to us, and lets mention the USA, got nothing to do with Accy but its the great satan,etc, etc. Grow up.
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I suspect that 'The Real Michael' is somewhat under the influence of his friend Karl's illicit substances....
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Interesting, because you seem to have logical points but then agree with drug dealing, which is totally illogical. Drug dealers are scum and aren't even worthy of a prison cell, I'd tie them to a post and starve then to death. bit like my sister and her kids are starving because some piece of scum has gotten her back on heroin.
'Joe I need you, I'm back on heroin,i'm a smackhead, **** got me back on it, he wouldn't leave me alone until I was, I've got no money and i'm going to lose the kids, come up and be with me, I need help to get me off it.' I was gettin those texts all day yesterday, so I have no sympathy for karl and I think his family have had a lucky escape. As for the housing, we know there's coruption, NWBC has just been investigated by the police, we recieved letters from our mp saying so. The refits to decent home standards are a sham, and a cowboy job, I have half a kitchen and dangerous untested electrics, but it's ok, because the council are the ones who bring prosecutions for not complying with part p and they won't prosecute them selves will they. Makes you wonder how many other councills this coruption is happening in. will we end up with thousands of unsafe homes, will they be condemned due to the government not listening to complaints about local councils. |
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I don't live in Accrington any more so I won't presume to comment on your points referring to corruption. Neither do I know the background of the article on a drug-dealer you refer to but, having read your essay, I presume this person was your friend. A friend who, you say, was a good father. A good father who supplied substances to someone else's children, as long as he was well paid; substances that could ruin someone else's child's health and life and from the profits of which he could carry on being such a good father. Oh what twisted logic. What a perverse morality.
You say you have children and you feel a sense of responsibility. Does your responsibility extend to preventing your children from experimenting with drugs? Do you warn your children to stay away from the Karls of this world? Or do you say it's fine, Karl was my friend, he was just an average dealer, go ahead. You cite schoolgirls getting pregnant through lack of a decent father; a decent father who excuses a drug dealer on the grounds that he was "average". Your schoolgirl was just as likely to have become pregnant while under the influence of the drugs your friend sold to her. You question why drug users prefer to be "under the influence" and proseletise the answer being that life "sucks". I disagree. They prefer the narcotic state because "average" dealers made a profit by introducing them to an addiction which they cannot break. Life "sucks" for many, many people who just grit their teeth and get on with it; people who have not had the misfortune to be weaned into a drug habit that saps their brains, their energy and their money; people for whom life "sucks" because they have been robbed, or worse, by the addicts who will do anything to finance their next fix from the "average" dealer you defend so heartily. |
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I waded through the first post and it is possibly the saddest reflection on life that I've ever read.
The statement that jumped out at me was that "The real problem with drugs in the modern world is that they are illegal." No, that is not the problem - the problem is that they are addictive, destructive and dangerous. And yes, I concede that they probably haven't got the real drug barons off the streets by this one conviction but as far as I can see, every single arrest helps and gets one more nasty, evil drug dealer out of the way. |
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Let's hope they can get more dealers off the streets and discourage any potential new dealers by the threat of prison sentences. If it means one less family grieving at the untimely death of a young drug addict who got hooked by a pusher at the school gates then it can't be a bad move.
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everyones entitled to an opinion, as i am entitled not to completly read all that,its fine having a point,but you do go on.:(
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When i was 16, a girl i went to school with took her own life by way of a heroin overdose. She was a friend & nieghbour. At the age of 19, one of my best friends was stabbed to death by a drug addict. Both of these people were supplied by an "average" dealers.
I hope this so called "average" dealer rots in jail. If you think this is a harsh response, then visit my DEAD friends, parents. This is the first time i've given negative karma, & yes i signed it. |
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It's a shame I've given out too much, because there are some comments on here that deserve positive.
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On this thread, or, in the initial post?
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Jay have you read my previous comments? The initial post has been given negative, something I rarely do but I feel so strong on this for very obvious reasons given in my previous post. I dunno which is worse the texts saying she's just bought some and begging for help or the silence inbetween. :(. Do I go up there and risk loosing my job and flat here knowing he'll just get her straight back on it or do I leave her till she loses the kids and that makes her help herself. Thats assuming she's alive to do that.
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No it's very relevant because that is just the sort of angush that this so-called average dealer deals out to people.
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positive for you jay n baz, willow,gayle,westender,.... decent people who can see what they're doing.
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BIG DEAL ACCY J........ i have lost loads of friends to drugs.... its obvious you
are a child with a mentality of a beleif that everyone should be denied the right to explore a world were one of your so called freinds died .... you cant blame drugs for the loss of your freind...blame your freind...alcohol is far worse in reality... causes adultery-murder..... leah betts death is down to leah betts... so was your freinds death, its the risk you take when you indulge in such stuff....... when(untaxed) drugs were legal the quality was regulated as such that a single dose was precise as to the strength that it was virtually impossible to die from overdose as the chemist would give you only enough pure substance to experience the "trip" but not be at all fatal..... unfortunately due to government making more money making it illegal, the quality cannot be assured , hence sometimes it may be pure and uncut, causing heart failure on most recipients who are used to impure cut drugs... just because it killed your freind (it has killed many of mine) doesnt give you the right to deny humanity from using it does it? for you to judge through the mistakes of others doesnt make you intelligent or wise.... some day you may be taking drugs (whether n.h.s. prescribed or illegal, its all the same)... the worse thing is that people can turn on you and call you a hypocrite... dont judge the situation until you are at least 45 yrs old, |
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your all obviously stuck in an unreal world were you expect too much....
even pensioners take viagra (DRUGS) where do you all exist? a child of 6 can understand what i say, yet accrington folk still harp on as if drugs have never been used in this town? failure to accept the truth always ends in disaster...............some of you reading this may never want to consume drugs not approved by government.....maybe cus your too scared of the consequences of waking up, 90% of the populus are conformist sheep who will always depend on idiots who,s views are designed to limit the independance of the person who listens to them, such as the churches.... if you or your idiot freinds cant handle drugs then simply DONT BUY THEM... are you totally moronic???? YOUR FREIND CHOSE TO BUY DRUGS.... dont blame the dealer for your idiot freinds demise, blame your freind for buying drugs, you are as stupid as your freind who died...FULL STOP.... until this world ends there will always be dealers....AND USERS.... are you a child? a dealer provides a SERVICE, a buyer sets a DEMAND, your freind was never forced to consume, neither was the dealer forced to sell, you miss the wisdom of your point...... so come back in 30 yrs ....if your not an addict by then.... |
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Honestly RM.... You don't half spout a load of bull***t. A drug dealer is a drug dealer...end of. I am glad that this average dealer is off the streets. If he misses his kids and is unable to now be a good father due to his enforced absence then tough........he's brought it on himself.
The newspapers will use titles such as 'Drug Baron' for no other reason than to sell papers. We are not naive and are all aware of why they do this. There are many different reasons why people start to use drugs. Most of them are to do with personal choice but.... some of them boil down to circumstance, availability and peers. A large percentage of addictions are down to dealers who will supply substances such as cannabis and cut a little something extra with it so that a person becomes addicted. Crack and heroin have both been promoted in this way by your average dealer. I know several local drug workers who will vouch for this. I have also drug tested young lasses who swear that they only take cannabis and have found a plenitude of other illicit substances. Your defence of your average dealer mate is senseless. In many of your posts you stoop to insulting the people who don't agree with you. You obviously have a modicum of intelligence. Why don't you begin to use it? |
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Something you said about losing everyone you loved when you were a child and having your cries for help ignored or laughed at made me think that perhaps that is really what we have here - cries for help. If you perhaps resent being 'dumped' in Accrington as a child then it's in your hands now to be able to move away from here if you wish. Perhaps you need to sort out the unresolved issues of your past first though and get some professional help to do so. The post where you said those things has unfortunately been removed due to other content, but I was touched by them and could possibly see where you are coming from with the other things that you've posted. Other people may have been responsible for what happened to you as a child but you are an adult now and responsible for yourself. You can take control of your own life and do with it what you will. |
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Are you still here talking sh*te?
I'd have at least expected tou to be on the roof of BBC Centre by now. Poor show. Perhaps if we were all in K-hole we could imagine you there bring more proactive in your protests. |
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Absolutely unbelievable. A full stop wouldn't go a miss either.
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When I first read this post I thought it was a joke to spark a bit of debate, but it seems it`s true!!
When I saw the Observers headline last week, my first thought was good, another piece of scum locked up. If you are a drug dealer it is because you want to make a lot of easy money instead of working for it. I would`nt know where to buy drugs in Accrington, neither would my friends, work collegues or neighbours. Why, because you are in the minority and you hang around people who use drugs, where I`d avoid `em like the plague. You say your friend is also a father, my dad was a quiet unassuming man, hard working, well liked by all who met him. Could your friends children say the the same thing? |
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Perhaps this hardworking drug dealer could sue the paper for libel.
Is he in the 'Just an Average Drug Dealer's Union? |
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When was the last time your average dealer included an instructions and dosesage sheet with his smack? My sister was pressured into taking the ****e and if I had my way I'd force the dealers to take till it killed em. Why can't you take some , take plenty, more than enough, Then I'll have party. |
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Wasn't that a scene from 'The Wild Geese' Madhatter?
Yes a lot of people take prescription drugs - some of us wouldn't be alive without them - but that's just the point they are on prescription and tested and monitored. Drug abuse is exactly what it says -- abuse. |
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Good video, very hard hitting (excuse the pun).
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Think it's too late for TRM's brain
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That first video really gets its point across Bazf. I pray my kids never get caught up in drugs. They know it's stupid but I still worry that someone might con them into taking something without them being aware of it.
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http://www.checkyourself.com/Stories.aspx
I don't know if you could stop them, only warn them, some of the clips above may make them take a little more notice. This is a great website I know its "American" but if one kid see's it and it makes them think twice then it doesn't matter what country they are in. As part of my duties as a coach to the high school soccer team we discuss drugs once a month, mainly steroid use which is getting worse here in the U.S, but it allways ends up in discussions about who in the school is doing what, you will be amazed how much your kids know. |
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Yes they know quite a bit about girls who smoke, get drunk and get pregant but so far they don't know for sure of anyone taking drugs. In the Junior school they had visits from drug awareness teams.
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Just thought I'd add this link to the Observer story.
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E was caught int the act so there is no way it could have been denied. He has only himself to blame for what happened and its his fault if his family are suffering because of it. Sadley though they have taken one of the streets but there will always be another waiting to take up the mantle.
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