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couldnt help noticing that in observer today that 11000 is going to be given to discuss multiculturalism in hyndburn. i find it ludicrous and could think of better ways of spending the money . if those people want to do this they shuold take out time voluntarily as a hobby:mad:

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its been given to hynburn mela and community association for this project 'why do i want to live here'. probably the because this sort of money can be squandered in this manner

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yes it is that project but you could argue that it could be spent much better than this and still have money spent in the borough. it could have been used more constructively and there are sooo many of these so called projects that i cant recall

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i disagree ultimately the money is from the tax payer probably from poor poles who have worked in bad jobs and it should be allocated responsibeley. like i said there are so many of these projects half of the time local people have no idea

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Well Gayle did post about it on AccyWeb. ;)

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well that still doesnt justify it and maybe all that info could have simply been drawn mainly from here. this reminds me of that 600000 spent on a webpage organised by britcliffe

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We've had the discussion on here about funding many times - in some people's view it is a waste of time and there's going to be very little that I can say to change your mind.

I always try to be incredibly open about any funding that I bring into the area, so that the whole thing can be as transparent as possible. I'm not trying to hide £600k in a duff website.

This project is all about looking at why people choose to live in the area, exploring the issue through different faith groups. The reason why we're doing this is because we believe it's important to talk about different cultures and to celebrate similarities. Busman's right, this is a mere drop in the ocean compared to other projects and the results will be high value for little money.

If just two people come out of the whole thing with a better understanding of each others faith or cultures this will be a success.

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As an addendum to this just a bit of info about the funding pot.

This was a funding pot called Connecting Communities - from the Home Office. So, yes, from your tax ultimately however, my argument about that is that if the money is available to be spread throughout the country we can not afford to lose out.

The money (a maximum of £12k per project) was made available for projects which connected communities. I was directly involved in the submission of three bids from different groups and was indirectly aware of two other bids. This project was the only one out of the five projects that got awarded any funding.

If you look at the funding pot - connecting communities - then you can pretty much understand why this project got the funding because we're really fulfilling the brief.

Every body has a different opinion of what a good cause is. As far as I'm concerned this is a high value project for a good cause - the sharing of knowledge between different faiths and cultures. But we could not have submitted a bid for anything else to this pot as was proven by the bids that failed.

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A drop in the ocean Gayle,my my what a load of 'cobblers' I live here because i'm stuck here in the poverty trap, created by not 'do gooders' but 'well meaners' they do no good to yours truly, I squirmed when I read the newspaper report, after waiting for a grant on my house (in vain** for 20 years or more. You can argue till the 'cows come home' but you will not change my mind. Ianto.W. I wish I was an IMMI'GRANT'.

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And to be honest Ianto.W. I can understand your frustration. Of course, we're seeing it from different perspectives and have different opinions about it.

My perspective is that this money is out there and I try to bring it back into the borough - would you rather that it went to Birmingham or Surrey or any other place in the country?

The flaw, if there is one, is probably in the system to start off with. But I can't do anything about that!

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You are an immigrant, aren't you? I was under the impression you came from Mars.

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Youv'e spotted me Wynone have you, I take your point Gayle it is frustrating regards to you both Ianto. W.

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Greetings, o, voyager from a distant world! ;)

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Bloody hell, can't they keep the dingles in................:rolleyes:

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I had better get Gayle to sort my application out Willow, the point I tried to make was that the money does not go where it is needed, I do not think anyone is remotely intrested in how 'multicultural ' folk live together.

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And I'm looking for another photographer and researcher to add to the project.

I've done a quick tot up of figures and in the past year I've raised £90k for various different projects or events in Hyndburn. These have been attended by about 9,000 people (all local). It has provided at least one day's work for approximately 120 people (mostly local) and has supported over 100 organisations or service providers (all local).

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I disagree Ianto (of course I would) lots of people are interested in how people live together. The results of this project will be given to a lot of people - influential people who can help this area get even more money.

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Nothing personal Gayle, but I got on fine before we were a 'multicultural' society.

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gayle is just trying to whittle the issue down to perspective but like i said there have been so many of these so called projects providing eid dinners etc but i cant see the results of their work in terms of integration etc. the only people who benefit are those whose jobs are secured and the same old people go to thse functions anyway. it is a mafia of sorts. we the public should try to change the way these projects are run by complaining to the gov i am really fed up about it !!!

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I'm not trying to whittle it down to anything, I'm just putting my view forward.

BUT, if you feel really strongly about it then yes, you should complain to the government, I'm not stopping you.

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No Willow I own my own house 'fridge' and I struggle very hard to maintain it, have a walk down Countess Street and see how much is being spent on people who have not been here as long as iv'e owned this one.

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oh just before i go the only reason i live in accrington is yes youve guessed it the poverty trap cycle. you wont be finding exiting brain tingling answers when you will do your complicated research. oh will i be paid from this money for my views

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So why not attend a few? The mela for instance is for everyone not just Asian immgrants. The thing at the Town Hall last Saturday was for anyone and everyone. This project is about everybody.

I don't see how that has any bearing on this project. We own this house too and have to maintain it. That's normal when you own a house. Sometimes everything seems to go wrong at once and we get snowed under with things needing replacing or repairing. I sat here freezing when the boiler didn't work for several days so you have my sympathy if your house is cold, but how would not doing this project improve your situation? If you feel you are being passed by in favour of others less deserving than you then by all means take it up with whoever is in charge of whatever isn't being done.

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You are assured of a big future in politics if you can justify £11,000 so lightly.

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all due respect willow but we are talking about justifying 11 grand to gather accringtonians views on why they live here. its outrageous and again hwill do nothing for community relations in fact the council should look at their own appointments re integration and should be ashamed as the portfolio holder for community cohesion barely speaks a word of ENGLISH! try phoning him if you are unfortunate enough to be in his council ward .how will he communicate to non asians and younger generation asians. forget melas the council should get its priorityies right its a mafia as far as im concerned

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If any bog standard 'Brit' cares about how Asians celebrate EID, I shall be very much supprised, most of us have had enough of it being shoved down our throats, cellebrate by all means but not at my expense.

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Well maybe some people will be surprised at what people are really like as opposed to what they think they are like. :) The photographer who came to our church was quite surprised at us lot anyway! :D

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Fair play to you Willow the 'white flag' is up regards,Ian.

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no willo it has got links to the council who help create half of this nonsense and the jobs for people who supposedly harmonise our communities. ive no probs with one off eid functions but it seems every other week some sort of function is going on with all the same people benefiting. how is that creating change

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too many to mention im afraid kashmiri day springs to mind apparently some members want to be seen as kashmiris only

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What does that mean?

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kasmiris are a nation within pakistan

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I'm a bog standard brit and all I see is yet more money being flushed down the toilet in the name of multiculturism.:(

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Bagpuss meet Spinner,

Spinner meet Bagpuss.

Match made in heaven.

Can I make your wedding sari?:D

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And so are we but you know as well as I do that to get any funding you have to be shown to support the minorities even if it means thousands more pounds of tax payers money going towards these tinpot schemes, you carry on attending the freebies if it makes you feel better, what a waste.:mad:

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Off topic slightly, but did you see that tv programme the other week? They can now anaylise a person's DNA into where there ethnic ansectors came from.

They had all these 'true brit' types.

Gary Bushell was 11% sub Saharan African. Carole Thatcher was 42% Persian, and on yer bike Norman Tebbit was 39% Ukranian. Fascinating.

Rindy. 100 c**t.:D

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Yes very good but this is what Gayle is after peoples points of view.:)

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See. Her getting this grant has already opened up a discussion on the topic.

Priceless.

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complete waste of money is my point of view.

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a few hundred i guess but it was in the paper and the council are now changig all the ethnic category forms to include kasmiris. it seems that only the so called asian leaders are happy with this

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We did not need a grant to discuss multiculturism = Priceless

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I think if you ask most people, of what ethnicity, as to why they came here, the answer would be the mills needed labour, and their grandparents needed to feed their families.

Easy.

Can I have eleven grand please?:D

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Only if you are a minority but put it in writing and pass it to Gayle I'm sure there will be something in the never ending pot for you.

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Yes, unique is a minority round here.

Who do I send my bank details to?

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at the end of the day i feel it has nothing to do with bringing cultures togeather but an innovitive way of someone (who wouldnt be able to get a decent job otherwise) using this cause to get themselves fundeing for a nice easy intellectually challenged job. oh bigo theve succeeded and try to make the rest of us feel that they are really in a smart and responsible job.

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You want to know the reason my mum used to tell me why she & my dad came here? It will make you laugh. My mum & dad came from Northern Ireland and my aunt was already over here during the war and she wrote to my mum Helmshore was a nice place and there were jobs in the mills etc and to come over. Mum thought Helmshore - shore = beach so that is why they came over!! Over in Ireland if the nameplace had shore it was a seaside place. Thats what my mum told me.

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I do not know who Gary Bushel is, as for the other two poorly bred individuals, hard luck, in the early 1940s there was only two 'coloured' people living in Accrington so pray tell me how many there will be in 2040plus, can you get a grant to sort that out.

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Well that's it, nothing in the pot for me because reading this thread shows I'm not in the minority with the view that this is a waste.:)

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Gayle used her skills to help secure the funding. She's able to do other jobs, as I'm sure she does as well as this.

You may not agree with the aim of the project, but like was said earlier, the money is already in the pot, and if people like Gayle didn't secure it to be used in the area it would still be spent on other projects...but in other parts of the country.

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Try amputation or lesbianism.;)

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If you amputate the wrong thing you may have to turn to lesbianism.;)

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hey jen pmsl there was a story in the telegraph in the 60s about a couple from the usa who booked a holiday in helmshore for the same reason as yer mam.

:rofl38:

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It's a good job your Auntie wasn't living in Elephant and Castle, your Mum and Dad would have been really disappointed.:D

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For $395 you can.;)

http://www.healthanddna.com/ancestry.html

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Im with you on that opinion, i do think its a complete waste certainly of that amount, gee for that huge amount anyway - i cant see the justification for it:(

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I just want to know which direction this breaching of divides of multi cultures will take? I am sick of hearing how I have to accept others way of life into my culture, GET OVER YOURSELVES I ALREADY HAVE, because I have had to endure years of having it rammed down our throats hearing how we have to accept it!! :mad: If people butted their big noses out maybe we would live side by side. When one seems to gain more than another, be it public funding, people start to resent that fact.

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Well said Tinks & straight to the point, couldnt put it better myself:D:Banane21:

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People aint happy unless they are putting their neb in. It has caused so much agro and suspision that its now justifying the jobs these nambies have by "stirring it up" when things look like they are getting on an even keel. If we are left alone without interference things might just work out which is what these people fear the most. As for the funding there must be a better use for 11k than on making it harder for people of all races creeds colour and religous beliefs to live together harmoniously.

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Tinks, you should ask to be interviewed. Then you can put your view forward as part of the project.

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Neil, I put a call out on here a few weeks ago for volunteers to take part in the project - I got three replies and all of them are being included - a atheist, a muslim and a mormon (no prizes for guessing who that one is!). I would love more people to step forward.

This project is absolutely, totally, nothing to do with the council. The results will be given to the council at the end for information but it is not a project instigated by them or involving them.

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This project is nothing to do with celebrating Eid.

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It has nothing to do with the council and is not an Eid function. What relevance has this got to it?

They are not the same people benefitting - I have tried to find as many people as possible from different faiths to participate.

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Absolutely not. This has to be a complete mix of faiths and cultures. Why does everyone assume that when the subject matter includes everyone that we're really talking about minorities.

Plus, I take exception to this on a lot of other levels too. I organise a lot of projects and events and some of them are targetted at more 'white' audiences and I don't see people objecting to those events or activities. You can't have it both ways. Just because some projects INCLUDE minorities (by the way, are mormon's and buddhists minorities?) that doesn't mean that everything is for minorities. A broad base of projects covers a broad base of the population but not every project can do that on its own.

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The money comes from the Home Office according to the news report, same public purse different pot. No one is going to tell you "I live here because I get a lager slice of the cake." no more like "there is no alternative for me and many more like me," to spend 11 thousand pounds on a scheme like this, 'in my opinion' is a waste of public funds.

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Quite offended by this. This is a decent job, it's hard work and I work hard.

I don't ask everyone else on here to justify their jobs. You are rude and this is an unnecessary attack.

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Nobody is gaining more than any other. Although, having said that, I'm white and middle class so may be I should let some Asian have the funding! :(

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Gayle no matter if I would like to participate in this survey to do so would go against everything I have been saying in this thread plus if people do participate it only encourages yourself and others like you that there is an interest and produce more surveys at great expense to the taxpayers.

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Quite correct Gayle, personal attacks are unacceptable, you do a fine job of work promoting the arts in Hyndburn, people will not aggree with all your projects that is human nature. I think apologies are in order from a certain quarter.

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What gets my hackles up, is not which direction the money is being doled out, but the fact that money is being flung around by this government like confetti at a wedding, when we cannot staff our hospitals with enough nurses and the ones that are there are leaving in droves due to being overworked and undervalued.
I understand your arguement, Gayle, about the money being made available, so hyndburn might as well apply for a slice of the pie. What I don't agree with is the fact that the money is being spent in the first place. It doesn't cost 11 grand for people to talk to one another. To talk and hold a conversation is free; it doesn't cost anything. But first people have got to want to talk to one another.

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to gayle re i am not rude and for someone to outlandishly call me so says a lot more about them tham me. i apologise if you thought it personal i was being general and it was not intended to be a personal attack. i was talking from experience as i no so many so called community project workers who can barely string a sentece togeather. having failed in akll other jobs they become community project workers. ive seen it wth my own eyes.

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Gayle, I don't blame you for applying for the funding, of course you should apply for it because it's there, but the fact of the matter is that there shouldn't even be a Government pot for this in the 1st place.

Not twenty years ago we all managed to live side by side more amicably than we do now. It's only after the Government started ramming it down our throats that we have to bend over backwards to accomadate others cultures and faith that all the racial tension began. If someone was interested in another faith or culture then there's enough information out there for them to go and seek it for themself.

Instead, we have a massive amount of money in a Government pot that should be better spent, surely you can see peoples annoyance?

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I totally agree with you regarding the hospitals and I'm sure that people who work in them must be weary of all the endless reems of paperwork most of which seems superfluous. I was at The Royal Blackburn (which to me will always be Queen's Park) yesterday and was seen by several different people, all in connection with the same op, but despite the information being there in my notes anyway every person I saw had to fill in a multipage document and ask me the same questions over and over again. It seemed such a waste of time and effort. Multiply this by the number of patients and it becomes ludicrous. Yet it isn't the fault of each of those individuals it's the fault of the system.
The thing about money circulating is that people benefit from it. If we didn't have professional photographers then not as much photographc equipment would need to be made or sold and maybe shops like Garth Dawsons would suffer - silly example perhaps but money does need to circulate for people to stay in business or in employment.

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but the point is they could have thought about a more challenging project and anyway a proffessional photographer is not bound to garth dawson he is more likely to have bought from a specialist company on the net etc if its about money circulationg they may as well give it to garth dawson

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likewise i was also using it as silly example to make a case in point but droves of people arent going to come into accrington for community discussions its not exactly berlin film festival . anyway about spending the gov wants to curb it

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Please don't attempt to turn this around to me attacking you. I will remind you of your quote again.

You are clearly talking about this project so how can you say that you are talking about community workers in general?

I maintain that you are rude to attack me in this way and I await your apology. You have no idea about the work I do.

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Yes, I can see people's annoyance, of course I can - the Government squanders money right left and centre in the health service with all the bureaucracy. It allocates millions to the health service already which it should spend on services and not civil servants. However, all the money in the country can not go to the health service, there has to be more to life than that.

There is a very small, almost miniscule percentage of government funding going to the arts - it's not the 1% that spent on the arts that is badly managed it's the rest of the 99%.

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Pressie for Gayle: ;)

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to gayle i already apologised if you thought it was a personal attack which it was not. i did attack the project and you shouldnt get youre heckles up eveytime someone disagrees with money spent as they see it needlesly. i stand by my views based on my experiences

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So what's discussing multiculturalism got to do with the arts? Are you trying to tell us that this £11,000 is part of the mis-spent 99%.

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Lets take you out of this post Gayle and I think that spinner has a valid point. I have seen and had dealings with people in similar positions as yourself and a high percentage of those have a snotty attitude when confronted, in my view it is a breeding ground for the faceless "Politically Correct" brigade that we all love to hate.;)

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I wonder if Gayle could tell us exactly what will be delivered after eleven thousand quid has been spent. What will the good people of Hyndburn see? Will it be a report? Will it be tables of statistics? What, exactly?

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Why should she? her job is to get the funding not use all the money, why not ask your local council members or MP. The good people of Hynburn seem conspisiously absent at times to ask these questions, go to your local council meeting ask there. We need people who know how to ask the right questions to burocrats, why knock someone doing there job.

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Tealeaf asked a legitemate question Bazf if you can answer it instead of beating about the bush, do so, but do not hide behind the inept Hyndburn Council, who only know what the officers or paid 'minions' tell them. Yes Gayle works hard for the Mid Pennine Arts, no one on Accyweb will tell you differently, but let us all have our say without fear of retribution

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Now we know why it will cost £11,000 when the same people come up with this stupid idea, I could go on but what's the point.........idiots wasting our money.......mumble, mumble, mumble...............:(

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I totally agree with you, Gayle, but do those in charge of the local Labour party know that you hold such anti-government views on this subject? And, if so, will they let you run again? Still, top marks for speaking your mind - I would give you some karma but, apparently, i've got to spread it around a bit.

Sorry, as always, for the thread wander, folks.