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come on folks how long till the dangerous dogs ownership is really taken by the scruff of the neck and sorted out

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...ie_body_pa.jpg
A five-year-old girl has been killed and her grandmother seriously injured by a pit bull terrier at their family home on Merseyside. Ellie Lawrenson was found bleeding to death in the living room of the house in St Helens shortly before 0430 GMT.
Her grandmother, Jackie Simpson, 46, who is recovering in hospital, managed to lock the dog outside.
The owner, believed to be Ellie's uncle, had been warned in June about the dog's behaviour.
The pit bull terrier was destroyed by police immediately after the attack at the property in Knowles House Avenue, Eccleston.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/6222319.stm

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This is the bit that sould be in letters nine feet high:

Any dog which needs a warning about it should NEVER be allowed near a child.

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Very sad indeed.

No dog really should be left with a child un supervised.

I see they are strainght on the is a 'Pit Bull Terrior' band wagon when in reallity it is probably a cross of some description. but 'Pit Bull' gets more attention.

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Terribly sad.

Dogs that have been bred primarily to fight and be aggressive should require a licence to keep one. Now everyone can, and it sad when these cases seem to be increasing.

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Why anyone would want to keep a dog primarily bred for fighting each other, as a pet, is beyond my comprehension, my late father told me that large/fierce dogs were an extension of the owners personality. To keep one in a house with young children is asking for trouble.

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IMO that is totally wrong. How would you say what dogs are aggresive.

Bred primarily to fight are we talking fighting other dogs here. If so in reallity these dogs would less likely bite a human.

Dogs are like humans ALL are individual and should be treated and respected that way, not just stigmatize certain breeds.

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Man has been breeding dogs for whatever reasons for centuries, be it to look aesthetically pleasing, or to be agressive and fight.

All the terrible recent cases involve dogs that have been bred to be agressive.

You need as licence to own a gun, yet any d*ckhead can own one of these dogs.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ighting_breeds

By the way I'm not blaming the dogs, just the people who keep dogs that have been bred to be agressive as pets.

'Rocky' has never been agressive before, he loved children.' Doesn't really wash when a child is dead or maimed for life.

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Maybe most of the dog bite attacks dont get reported when its a alsation or collie as it doesnt make 'A Press Story'

I agree that anyone can buy a dog Inc the Di**heads happen thats what needs more control. but a licence?
I would say Compulsary Insurance Minimum Third party. and Compulsary Identi Chiping.

The lovably Boxer.

Notice Staffs are also on there and English Bull terriors.

Now the onlything wrong with this is the term 'bread for fighting' I presume that people and the list term a fighting dog as one that will fight another dog.

IMO anyone who did this as a hobby (I feel this is totally wrong) that dog would be less likely to bite a human, why you might ask, well a dog bred to fight, trained to fight will obviosly do so, but whould the owner of the dogs want to be bitten, want the spectators to be bitten, want a out of control dog in a group of people NO NO NO, the dog that is 'trained for fighting' is trained not to go for humans, so IMO a dog trained to fight other dogs would be a lesser risk to humans.

However a dog that is brought up to be lets say uncontrolled, IE no Disaplin, NO control then yes thats a very dangerous dog.

A dangerous dog, DOG this means ALL DOGS.

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Even dogs considered to be "family-friendly", such as Golden Retrievers, are capable of biting a child. A parent would rarely leave a child alone with an unknown pitbull, but people forget that even a cute dog is still a dog. Just because a dog typically has a good temperament does not mean that it is safe to leave a child alone with it. Since children are most easily harmed by dogs, there are a few steps that can be taken to ensure no harm comes to a child, or to the dog by extension:

• Teach your child never to approach a dog that they don't know.
• Always ask the owner if you can pet their dog. Owners know the temperament of their dogs.
• Approach dogs from the front. They could be startled if approached from behind and at the least may knock you over.
• Refrain from making sudden jerky movements. This could make the dog think you are playing or being aggressive.
• Never let a child play unsupervised with an adult dog or puppy, yours or a neighbor's. An accident only takes few seconds.
• Intervene and stop play if it looks too rambunctious or boisterous. Children aren't as durable as puppies. Puppies regularly bite as a part of regular play with other puppies.
• Always watch children to see what they are doing with the dog, and if what they are doing is dangerous or not.

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On a lighter note, and yes I respect your right to disagree with some of us, it reminds me of a newshounds saying "dog bites man is not news" but "man bites dog is"

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if the dog had a vicious reputation, what was it doing in the house in the first place????

now on the news they are saying that Determining the breed of dog is "a priority", why? any dog can turn nasty, to me its not the breed but how that dog is brought up!

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Exactly. I was around dogs as a kid and had no problem with them. If you abuse a dog or train it to perform certain acts that rely on its instincts then this kind of sad incident will occur.

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Only in the Sport.:)

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I'll never get tired of saying this - and it's not long since I last did - dogs are not born vicious. A dog's behaviour is the result of its upbringing.

Different traits have been bred into varying breeds over centuries. The bull terrier was selectively bred, originally, with a very strong jaw and big muscles to be a fighting dog - to fight and harrass bulls. Inbreeding selected those more disposed to fight than run.

Any responsible owner of a bull terrier, or any other dog, will train it and socialise it while always being aware of its underlying inbred nature. The result is a good dog.

The trouble lies with the owner, usually male, who only has a dog to reinforce how "hard" he is. He hasn't got a clue about dog-training and he doesn't want a faithful companion, he wants something to swagger about with and intimidate others. If his dog harms someone, he's to blame.

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It's hard to make any assumptions on a tradgedy like this one,But whatever happened,I think Young Children & Dogs just don't mix,whatever breed they are,They all have teeth,Church Boy

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yeah and sharks arnt born vicious either :rolleyes:

dobermans , pitbulls , staffs etc are all instinctivly vicious animals but their owners will all say how soft and gentle they are then look everywhere for an explination as to what went wrong when the mutt decides to mame their or somone eslses child

if you got a child and must have a dog get somthing that cant fit its mouth around your childs throat and maybe just maybe the poor kid will stand a chance if or when the dog turns on it

an old friend of mines parents had a doberman and in the summer it had to have a hat on its head because apprently they have thin skulls and heat sends them vicious , some kind of sunstroke or somat , why anyone would keep a dog like that as a house pet i dont know , keep the vicious dogs for guard dogs but not as a childs pet

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Quite correct. They are hunters and equipped to find food in a way we describe as vicious. They don't unexpectedly "turn on" prey - everything's prey to a shark.


How about vicious humans? Does the analogy still stand?

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Obviously you dont have a dog or konw much about dog breeds and how many actual dog breeds there are.

Lets look at the other breeds like- Poodle, collies and GDS, oh and lets not forget the mongrels,cross breeds, are all instinctivly vicious animals but their owners will all say how soft and gentle they are then look everywhere for an explination as to what went wrong when the mutt decides to mame their or somone eslses child.

Oh and mosquitos arnt born vicious to.:D

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actualy yes i do think it does to some extent everyone is capable of murder its just that everyone has a different limit that must be reached for them to do it

we are also at the end of the day also animals and and have the basic instinct to kill if need be but unlike these mutts most of us have over the years learnt how to control it

back to dogs

what realy annoys me about the owners of these mutts that think their prize pet wouldnt harm a fly is that they see fit to let their mutts loose in parks where children play and in my eyes you may just as well be throwing in a time bomb

my 3 year old son dosnt know about types of dogs all he knows is that its a doggy and he wants to stroke it and when a staff ran into teh play area my heart stopped when i saw my son heading off to pet it but luckily ime faster than he is and intercepted him

funny how after a few deaths on a road they put in speed bumps , how many children have to be killed or mamed before somthing is done about these dogs

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I think thats a key factor the Socialisation. and people, sheparding there kids away from dogs is the Wrong Attitude.

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For starters the dog shouldnt be let loose around strange kids (as in the dog doesnt know them). But if the dog did bit someone then I would see that as the owners fault. not because it was a staff.

These dogs? so what dogs in particular.

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actualy i think its a bad idea to have any dog near a child and the reason why i dont have a dog is because i have children , my brother has staff crosses and my child has never been to his house for that reason alone and my brother knows damn well not to bring it to my house

the difference between been savaged by a rotweiler and a yorki terrier is that you can simply stamp on a yorki teriiers head where as the rotweiler isnt quite as easy to subdue

poodles - ide have evey one of the yappi little sods put to sleep

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Cm,on Wynonie,Put some common sense into the debate.Church Boy

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No good asking me, mate. I'm way out of my depth here. The only dogs I like are hot dogs!

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seen as i am not as knowledgeable about dogs as you are lets just say the ones with big pointy teeth

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Thats just the common sense answer I expected, Give yerself an uppercut.Church Boy

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PMSL at the yorki comment, hope no one ownes one.:D

But I really believe that education is the way forward, dogs can sence fear.

There used to be a stray dog (NONE BULL TERRIER) that wondered around my mums area, this dog was soft when I saw it because I was not scared it didnt usually look twice at me.

However one day coming home from work I saw the same dog barking at a middle aged woman, had her stuck in here tracks up against a wall, So being the hero(LOL) I had to intervient, all I did is should at the dog and off it went, the woman thanked me but then admited Im really scared of dogs.

Now this dog shouldnt of been on the street in the first place, but these things happen and FEAR is not the best way of coping with the situation.

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thats the last tiem i take your advice my bloody chin hurts now :rolleyes:

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Who said I was knowlegable, I got Google.:D

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I'm really so glad I Didn't say give yerself 20.Church boy

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guide dogs are smarter killers they just bark that its ok to cross the road when it isnt ;)

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has anyone been to springhill lately it is FULL of pitbulls roaming around withot leads and some hardley contolled by their owners. i wonder where the owners get the money to buy these horrid dogs as they appear to be terminally unemployed types when i contacted the dog warden about fouling he advisd me to follow them . is he off his head who would like to do that

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If what was on the news is correct then it is a banned dog and as such the owner could face charges.

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I think there are many answers to the question about what to do with dogs in public places and dogs with children etc.. As far as I see it being the owner of a large dog myself, I would say that my dog is 99.9% safe with children but I would not take any chances, if any children ask me if they can stroke him I always say that he may bite, and if they ask me if he bites I always say yes he might do, that way there is no confusion as to whether they are safe to pull him about which I am sure that is the way the dogs see it and it is in response to this that the kids get bitten.

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A friend of mine had one of these dogs and it went through professional training, it was taught who was the master and never went out without a muzzle or not on a lead, he called it his gentle giant (it was HUGE).

But although it went through all this it still turned round and bit him on his hand down to the bone, he then sent it away to a trainer down south who specialised in the breed.

Unfortunately despite all this he eventually made the decision to have the dog put down as it was starting to show aggression.

So tell me that this was due to his upbringing???

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Terrible shame about this lil girl.

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I knew of someone who had one of these types of pitbull dogs and i was absolutely horrified when i found out they,d got it ,purely on the basis ,
a...they had had one similar before and neither could be bothered to execise it so they got rid .
b... then came along a baby ..
c... then came along another pit bull type dog ..
these people couldnt be bothered to execise themselves or a child never mind a bloody dog of any description let alone one that is known to need exercising 3/4 times daily and then to have it around a toddler .

IMHO its just a matter of time and yes they have been reported

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Id never leave my dog alone with a lil kiddie

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That's part of my point about responsible ownership. A well-trained dog will behave well but a dog is a dog, not a human, and has canine instincts. No one with an ounce of sense leaves a small child alone with any dog.

In the case of pitbulls, these dogs are bred from fighting stock. They are, almost without exception, owned by morons who think it's cool to have a vicious dog at their command. The average bull-terrier is not particularly aggressive, if well trained, but the pitbull is rarely trained to do anything but show aggression.

Years ago it was the Alsation that had the bad reputation. People saw it as a villain. Then it was renamed as the German Shepherd (its old, pre-WW1 name) and it was recognised as an intelligent breed as well as a useful guard dog. You still hear of "rogues" but they are, like the pitbull, generally owned by idiots for "macho" value. Any dog can be a dangerous dog in the wrong hands.

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its like those magician ppl who had all those lions in their act and then one of them attacked them

they were like we've been with them for 20/30 yrs

yes u have but end of the day it just takes one to remmeber what he is to be what he is

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Unfortunately that was the only reason both these dogs were got.(macho type image) the female never wanted them but ended up going along with it to keep the peace , it was such a shame for the dog to go to such place where sadly excersise was one of the few things available

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i got bitten by two alsations and been attacked by three pitbulls whilst cyclin along the canal

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Looking at this list of 'celebrities', consisting of rappers and slappers, who have Pit Bulls as pets, somewhat explains why they are so popular with jobless wannabe macho chavs.

Famous People with Pit Bulls

• Actress Jessica Alba has a pit bull.
• Actress Jessica Biel has a pit bull named Tina.
• Actors Adam Brody and Rachel Bilson have a pit bull named Penny Lane.
• Rapper DMX has 9 pit bulls.
• Actor Jamie Foxx has two pit bulls.
• Radio host Ira Glass has a pit bull.
• Rapper Big Boi from hip-hop duo Outkast is a registered pit bull breeder.
• TV cook Rachael Ray has two pit bulls.
• Comedian Jon Stewart has pit bulls.
• Actress Alicia Silverstone has a rescued pit bull.
• Author Andrew Vachss, who has written numerous books and short stories featuring dogs of banned breeds, had a pit bull named Honey.

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And dont forget princess Anne,,,

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Has she bit someone again?:eek:

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NUTTER:D :D :D :D ..
by the way does she still have that pitbull with the chip on its shoulder ?

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I'd forgotten this story about Princess Anne's dog attacking one of the Queen's Corgis.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3345585.stm


Personally I blame the parents.:D

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Some of the 'lucky' children...the ones who survived.

http://www.doganswers.com/images/photo13.jpeghttp://www.unchainyourdog.org/news/emma.jpghttp://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...toddler238.jpghttp://www.sptimes.com/News/050401/p...-kayla-345.jpghttp://www.leerburg.com/Photos/soda1.jpg

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Ita always the innocents that suffer....never the so called a...hole owners that put their street cred before a childs safety..such a shame

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it may have come across in this thread that dogs are my number 1 hate , i would like to clarify my position if i may

i would rather see a dog mangle a cat any day of the week :D

lets hope the next time someone buys a vicious breed of dog as a fashion accesorie they are wearing it around tehir throat instead of a kids :mad:

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A death of a child caused by a dog is tragic beyond belief, my thoughts are with her family.

Put into context, as a nation of dog lovers a fatal attack by a dog are so far and few between.

I agree with the sentiments of other posts, behaviour of a dog is totally the owners responsibility.

Under the right ownership ANY dog is a loyal family member, under the wrong ownership it's a tragedy waiting to happen.

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And this is saying what???

How many Celebs Slappers own other dogs, lets say alsations.

People call the Breed 'Pit Bull' when they clearly have NO really knowledge on the subject AT ALL.

Let see now and BE HONEST can you pick the 'Pit Bull' from the picture in the link below.

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

And What did some one say 'Pit Bulls arnt used for any kind of work.??

http://www.pbrc.net/misc/PBRCHeros.pdf

Oh and let see some more badness of these STIGMATISED DOGS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdY9Z5ub9xw

And what did I just read.
Pit Bulls are one of the most stable people-friendly dogs in existence. The National Canine Temperament Testing Association tested 122 breeds, and Pit Bulls placed the 4th highest with a 95% passing rate!

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You are getting quite agressively defensive.

I do hope you aren't responsible for teaching a dog how to be sociable?:D

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PMSL.:D

No just wanting to share facts that arnt usually brought up.

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Well the facts, as far as I could research them, is that there aren't any photographs of children maimed for life, or that have been killed, by Toy Poodles or Golden Retrievers.

Sadly there is a whole library full of ones inflicted by badly trained Pit Bulls.

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I was reminded of a story I read a couple of years ago about a family in America who had a pit bull. The father heard his son scream and ran to the barn where he saw his son lying injured and the dog with blood round its mouth. Without hesitation he shot the dog but the boy screamed out NO! as the dog fell dead and only then did the father see the wolf that the dog had killed which had attacked the boy. :(

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And your point willow ? we dont get too many wolf's round here fox's maybe but i have never seen a wolf on blackburn road

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Exactally.

Any dog that shows aggresive tendancies (inc one's belonging to higher powers) should be delt with appropriatly, whether this be a Pit Bull, Rotty, Alsation, Poodle.

All Dogs are dangerous, certain breeds would cause more damage as they are bigger, just as certain cars are more dangerous as they are faster.

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So do we rename you Barbara Woodhouse then??? :p :D ;)

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No, I haven't got the cardigan for it. :D

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I am sure that can be arranged. :D

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News reports just come through, about yet two more dog attacks on children aged six and ten years in Newcastle, Police statement said they were Stafforshire Bullterriers, 'Itv lunchtime news Wednesday 3rd Jan.'

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Well suprise, suprise.

The dead child's uncle, pictured laying flowers on the news in his trackie, has served time for possesion of drugs with intent to supply.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm...name_page.html

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Ruddy hypocrit is all I can say. Niece is savaged to death and he wants the sympathy vote! Sorry but it dont wash that easy!

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'Meanwhile, residents said that Simpson, a bodybuilder, bragged about owning the aggressive breed.

"Kiel (Simpson) used to let the dog off loose on the playing field behind his house," said one young mother, who was too afraid to be named.

"It was off its lead with no muzzle and would run around frightening people. It was clear he liked to intimidate people, he thought it was a big laugh to see them scared."

Another neighbour said the 12-month-old dog had been "trained" to attack others.'







Like I said earlier, whilst d*ckheads like this carry on having these dogs, more children will be maimed and die.:(

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Maybe shoot the things on site is the answer. If the NI police have no quarms about putting them down by law, though a toothless one at that the its about time it happened here. These animals can be too dangerous and shouldnt get a second chance. I know people that have had and still have bull terriers and terriers in various forms and they dont have problems with them but do err on the side of caution. This includes my mum who has a staffie/english cross. It can be a fun animal but gets carried away when having fun but has a yellow streak that is on the large side.

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It said on the lunctime news that it is highly unlikely any charges would be brought against the owner, as the attack happened in a private house.

The law needs changing.

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Here in Sydney they have just passed that very law,giving council ranger's the right to put a dog down straight away.Church Boy

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Reports will come flooding in now for a week or So Every Dog bite, nip involving any type of bull terrier will be headline news.

Take the stabbing event recently, nearly every day sky news would report another stabbing. public lose interest and funny there is now no more stabbings??

That guy is an absolute KnobHe*d, and shouldnt be allowed near dogs again for life. And serve some time inside.

But it still could of been the same outcome if the dog he had was a different breed.

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I'm sure the poor child wouldn't be dead, or her grandmother still in hospital, if the dog had been a Poodle or a Yorkie, or any other dog not bred primarily for their aggression.

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But what if it was a

Akita, Border Collie, Bull Dog, Bull Mastif, Boxer, Dalmation, Doberman, German Sheperd, Great Dane, Greyhound, labrador, Poodle, Rottweiler.

To name just a few not bread for aggression as such, or the HUGH amount of cross breeds there are.

Would it of been different? in a better or worse way?

Can all dog breeds not be aggressive?

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I can't find any information of the other dogs listed, killing children.

Sadly worldwide there are plenty of cases relating to Pit Bulls.

Even one young life taken because some moron uses them as a status symbol, is too many.

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read in teh paper that the guy who owned the dog that killed his neice was photographed laughing and joking only hours after her death

glad the pillock found somthing to laugh about and the incodent hasnt caused him too much grief :mad:

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Gee guy's,please just let up on this for a while & just think about what has happened to this young girl,Because the debate is very unbalanced at the moment.Church Boy

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Meaning what exactly?

If enough people debate this issue, and public opinion forces more changes in the law, and another tradgedy like this can be averted in the future, I'll keep on posting thank you.

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Search Google.

IIRC - Rottweillers where the baddies not to long ago.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/s...es/5387844.stm

Heres some intersting articals also if read in full.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6222689.stm

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...aby/article.do

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I don't find the fact that these were 'only' maulings by other breeds, rather than deaths, any more acceptable.:(

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It Means the debate is unbalanced.Thanks for proving my point.Church Boy

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Search Google they are there.

http://www.24dash.com/communities/11119.htm

Dont get me wrong, I feel that ANY and ALL dogs should be treated with the respect the deserve.

I just dont agree with the singaling (SP) out of certain Breeds/Breed.

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It will be unbalanced. No doubt on that.

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Why's that?

You seem to defend people's concerns re: these dogs quite well, but you haven't changed my mind about them at all.

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And you are the main one I wanted to suck in.Say no more.Church Boy

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I saw a few scary looking dogs walking up Blackburn road on Saturday evening ;)

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Due to all the Bad Media attention.

Education is the way, not a mass Kull or Ban of a certain Breed or to bring in something silly like BSL (Breed Specific Leglislation).

Maybe Compulsary (SP) Age of 18 to own a dog, Compusary Id Chipping & Diesese Control + Compulsary Insurance would make owning a dog a bit more of a responsability and would only be undertaken by people who actually wanted dogs for the companion rather than an accessory. due to the high cost and hassle involved.

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You'll only get kn*b head parents bailing the w**kers like that Kiel Simpson out!

The Grandmother was hurt too, why did she allow the dog in her home if she knew it had violent tendencies. Why did her parents allow the child to stay in a house where there was a potentially dangerous dog?

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The legislation you suggest wouldn't have prevented this poor child's uncle (or w*nker, as I prefer to call him) from owning one of these dogs.

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Church Boy, you cannot instruct people regarding what they may or may not discuss on these forums. If you feel strongly about it then complain to the moderators. It's up to them what is or is not permitted here.[/quote]
That's fair enough,But I think these sort of emotional discussion's can become a bit to much tit for tat ,
& in the end, on your computer,all you are doing is peeing each other off.
All I meant to suggest, was to discuss the topic without being judge,jury & executioner,which most probably you are saying that I am being. Church Boy

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Police have, apparently, "rounded up" 6 pitbull-type dogs in Merseyside today. Footage on TV showed friendly, sociable dogs being bundled into a police van.

These are inbred, savage killers aren't they? Why weren't they ripping each other to pieces in the van? Why weren't they snarling at and biting the police who put them in there? You cannot condemn a dog out of hand because of its ancestry. It may have been bred to have a potentially more aggressive nature but Nurture has to play a part too.

My elder daughter has a dog which is a Stafford Cross. He looks vaguely similar to a pitbull. He was neutered at a year old and is quiet, amiable and obedient. Travis is used to children, nephews and neices are always around my daughter's home as are neighbours' children, and he's used to lots of adults around. He's also used to cats as my daughter has 3 of them. He knows his place - he's at the bottom of the pack. He's a dog, he's got a dog's nature, he's trained and, most importantly, he's controlled.

Merseyside Police would no doubt class him as looking like a dangerous dog with his broad head and chest and his strong jaws. In the wrong hands, perhaps, he could have become a dangerous dog. In reality he's a loveable family member. Knee-jerk reactions to breeds of dog will not solve this problem. We need to sort out the human owners first.