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According to this weekend's Accrington Observer, the ruling Tories on HBC have decided that after thirty three years, the name Hyndburn is to be scrapped, and we are to be known as the 'Borough of Accrington and District'.
Twenty thousand pounds has been found for new road signs. Agreed, no one in the country knows where Hyndburn is, but does it really matter? They know where all the towns which make up Hyndburn are. Seems to me to be a total waste of money, and reminds me of when British Airways spent a fortune on rebranding themselves with a fancy new logo on their plane's tails...and then changed it back at even more cost. You can spend money forever rebranding yourselves, but to me services are what are important, not the name on the Town Hall's letter paper, vans etc. http://www.fylde.gov.uk/images/party...nservative.gif (Example of costly rebranding...that fools no one.) |
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Well i think it's a lovely idea to re-name Accrington after Accrington & i'm sure our oft put upon & hard working councillors spent many a long hour brainstorming the idea between them.New coates of arms & rod signs will transform the town forever.We can look foward to cleaner & safer streets,greener meadows,fresher air,old style emptied every week dustbins,lower taxation,rag & bone chaps & double decker buses.Well done PB & chums youve every right to look pleased with yourselves.:rolleyes:
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suits me fine,never wanted Hyndburn in the first place.;)
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Funny, but I was at a meeting a few weeks ago about something completely unrelated and as a throw away comment someone said, 'that's if we're still called Hyndburn'. I didn't think anything of it but clearly they were in the know.
I think it's a bit of a daft idea personally. I mean, I know Hyndburn doesn't mean an awful lot to people outside of the area but the problem is that Accrington does. If you call it Accrington people immediately get images of old mill towns, Accrington Pals and Accrington Stanley. I know Stanley are doing better but the rest doesn't give the most positive image in the world. It dates us to an era a long, long time ago. |
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Where's Accrington? (I only ask 'cos the spell checker thinks I've made a mistake whenever I type it!).:rofl38: Herrington is a suggested spelling for it!
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have to disagee gayle, it dates us to the place i was born, and sure its not what it was, but i,m bloody proud to be associated with accrington, Hyndburn means buggar all.
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Accrington is not the only town in Hyndburn either.
From what I understand Hyndburn (the name) was given when Hyndburn (the administrative area) was created from all the towns joining together. |
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If that is the image people get of the town then I am proud. Proud that Accrington was at the front of the industrial revolution that changed the world forever, proud that we are associated with people who gave their lives so that ours may be better and proud to be associated with a founder member of a league that now over £1 billion turnover and brings joy and prosperity to millions worldwide. |
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I think it's a bit of a daft idea personally. I mean, I know Hyndburn doesn't mean an awful lot to people outside of the area but the problem is that Accrington does. If you call it Accrington people immediately get images of old mill towns, Accrington Pals and Accrington Stanley.
I know Stanley are doing better but the rest doesn't give the most positive image in the world. It dates us to an era a long, long time ago. --------to me thats industrial snobbery gayle. i,m talking about my identity, and i would bet the other towns that make up hyndburn think the same. |
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they should leave thinks as they are and folk wont get confused
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Excellent idea and welcome news. Hyndburn as a name means absolutely nothing. People where I live, 25 miles to the south have never even heard of it. Accrington is a name that's known all over the world. Obviously, Stanley's a major reason and a very positive one in light of the club's incredible journey against the odds back to the football league. Accrington bricks are renowned for durability and strength. The Accrington Pals will forever be associated with courage and comradeship.
The whole concept of Hyndburn was a mistake right from the start. In the early 80's I had a running argument in the letters columns of the Observer with Winnie Hogan and others about the merits of Accrington v Hyndburn. I'm glad that at long last the council have seen sense. |
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I understand the pride in Accrington (but remember we don't all come from Accrington and we're entitled to a bit of pride too) but the heritage of the town is not the only thing that we should be trading on. There are so many things wrong with the town at the moment and I don't think that a name change will cure it. |
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I don't think it'll provide an instant cure to the borough's problems either, but at least it'll give us a recognisable national identity, instead of making do with the name of an anonymous local government area.
And yes, everybody in the borough's entitled to their pride in their own town. I was merely pointing out that the name Accrington has a lot more positives going for it than Hyndburn. Can anyone really say they feel pride in the name Hyndburn? |
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Will we be seeing a return of Oswaldtwistle Urban District Council as well? ;)
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Agree with Garinda totally.
Nice that the daft name is out of the way but spending thousands on changing names on signs won't help people with the services needed in their daily lives. |
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The majority of the Welcome to Hyndburn road signs are in need of replacing due to the picture wearing off them anyway
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And yes, everybody in the borough's entitled to their pride in their own town. I was merely pointing out that the name Accrington has a lot more positives going for it than Hyndburn. Can anyone really say they feel pride in the name Hyndburn?[/QUOTE] And everybody's entitlement to be proud of their borough, like 'Hyndburn', which takes in Oswaldtwistle, Huncoat, Clayton-le-Moors, Baxenden, Rishton and Great Harwood, which was not marketed strongly enough in the first place, so they think by changing it to Accrington then overnight it will become more marketable, do they ? Just a lazy, albeit expensive, way out, but can't see that it will attract any more 'investment, businesses and retail outlets' (quote Observer) than before. Leave as it is. |
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Suites me fine, I think it’s a fantastic idea. When I left the town it was called Accrington, Hyndburn I was aware of but it meant now’t. If people ask me where I’m from I say proudly “Accrington” if they ask me where I was Born I say proudly “Church or Church Kirk” If some asks me which team I support I say proudly “Accrington Stanley or The Stanley” and on each and every occasion they know where I mean. Ask me where Hyndburn is? I’d say it’s in Accy. :D
Sorry Mandy darling, 20 grand would be money well spent. :) |
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Not heard that for donkeys years...............:) Nice. :D |
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What does Accrington and the surrounding towns have in common that can be used instead of Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
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Whatever new name you come up with, it's going to be contrived, artificial and ultimately, meaningless. Accrington is the largest, most central and best-known town in the borough, so surely it makes sense to capitalise on that?
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(but remember we don't all come from Accrington and we're entitled to a bit of pride too) if thats the case,you should be proud of where you come from, nowt wrong wi it.but sorry if you aint from here gayle its sod all to you then.
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I think it's a silly waste of time and money.
Rawtenstall is in Rossendale. Other places are also in Rossendale without being Rawtenstall. The same applies to Accrington and Hyndburn. Ossy, Clayton, Rishton etc are not Accrington and to have them come under the umbrella of the Accrington name just seems silly to me. When Hyndburn was created it was named so as to make all component parts equal. I think they should leave well alone and concentrate on doing something useful like cleaning up the grot. |
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I, like I'm sure everyone else, have no great feelings of warmth for the name of Hyndburn, but after thirty odd years I've gotten used to it. I never say I'm from there. Like everyone else I say I'm from Ossy, or Accrington, Rishton, Great Harwood, wherever. Our address isn't even Hyndburn. It's Accrington. Even Hyndburn Borough Council's address says Accrington, not Hyndburn. Scaitcliffe House Ormerod Street Accrington BB5 OPF This rebranding isn't going to decentralise the Borough, and restore the power to individual Town Halls, each with their Urban Councils, as we had pre 1974. This is purely cosmetic. If the bright sparks who conceived this, think this idea will bring in investment and renewal to the area, purely on the strength of a name change, then they are simplistic and naive in the extreme. It's much more about affordable business rates, a skilled workforce, transport, accommodation, and a council who have the vision to change that which needs changing, and leaving well alone that which doesn't. We are hopefully all proud of where we come from, and rightly so. Hyndburn is just the name of the council where we send our taxes. Changing the name, at some considerable expense, will not bring any changes for the better. It's the system we have, so we have to put up with it, but I've said before, if the positions of being our political representatives were advertised as professional positions, most of this shower wouldn't even make the first interview stage. By the way, as anyone informed Greg Pope, or will he still be the MP representing Hyndburn in the House of Commons? |
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What's Hyndburn Sports Centre going to become?
Can't call it Accrington Sports Centre, as it's in Church. Are we all going to get new wheelie bins with the new logo? Sounds expensive. Which bag do we recycle the old Hyndburn ones in? |
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About time. Somebody with a bit of sense. To everyone who left it has always been Accrington or Accy, to those who never left it has always been Accrington or Accy, I should imagine no one called it Hyndburn. Church is still Ossy bottoms and Harrod is at top of t'ill, as for Clayton get Load of Mischief bus and you can't miss it.
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sounds a good idea to me , as others have said if you say your from Accrington or from near Accrington people know where your from .
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will taxes go up to pay for all the changing signs etc
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About time name got changed. Have you seen "Hyndburn" on a map?
You can see Accrington, Oswaldtwistle, Rishton, Gt Harwood, Clayton-Le-Moors, Altham, Church, Baxenden. but I have yet to find Hyndburn on a map!!! |
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Like everything else it will cost and fall upon the tax payers |
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As stated earlier, this isn't a return to pre 1974 state of affairs, each town with their own urban council. This is the creation of a brand new borough name, leaving the other towns outside of Accrington, presumably feeling even more under valued. Yes US Angel, if the cost of just changing the sign posts, never mind, all the bin wagons/council vans, stationary etc, is £20,000, then the tax payer will be footing the bill, as per usual. |
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*Lol, the last two posts before Ber999T, who slipped in between, whilst I was posting.:D
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Cheers rindy LOL
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Drop the dead donkey.............and the riders?
Should It Be Hyndburn Or Accrington (from Lancashire Telegraph) |
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I was going to mention The Mighty Boosh, it's hilarious in an English eccentric Pythonesque kind of way but I don't think it quite beats The Royle Family.
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In 1974, the London bureaucrats responsible for local government reorganisation came up with the name of Hyndburn on the basis that the river passed through the Borough of Accrington and all it's adjacent towns and urban districts; however, where it flows through Ossy, I know not.
The name was chosen in order to avoid any suggestion of favouritism towards Accrington, although most locals would have pointed out that "Hyndburn" was only an alternative name for the river and it was most commonly referred to as "The Stink". It would appear that to have named the new local authority "Stink" was unaccepable, although no doubt over the years this name would have had far more impact than the otherwise meaningless Hyndburn. Accrington and District(s) is a far more recognisable name and for the relatively small sums of money involved in changing it should prove a wise investment, although I notice that according to the LT, the "Districts" of Harwood, Rishton, Clayton, Ossy and Accy itself will get their own coat of arms - but not Church! Assuming this is not a cock-up on the part of the LT, I assume that this will be speedily rectified by the powers that be. |
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It is sod all to me - I come from Oswaldtwistle and I'd rather be a part of Hyndburn than being dismissed by the '....and districts' tag. |
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If "District" is not good enough, then what about a completely new name altogeather? What about Britcliffeton? Or Accrington and the USA ('Uther Side of Accrington). Anyway, if some of your labour friends would have had their way, Hyndburn would have disappeared a few years ago and we would now be "Blackburn with Darwin and Accy" Given that Church occupies the geographic centre of Hyndburn and is also the oldest recorded part of the borough, I personally think it should be renamed "Church, Districts and the Dosshole Ossy". That has a nice ring, don't you think? |
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I think there is some merit in changing the name to Accrington (the 'and District' bit seems a little 1920s to me). It's worth bearing mind that neighbouring Burnley also comprises of towns and villages such as Padiham, Worsthorne, Cliviger, etc without too many problems. I often say that I'm the MP for Accrington to people from London, not because I'm ashamed of the other towns (I'm an 'Arroder!) but simply because no-one has heard of Hyndburn. Giving boroughs names that weren't places was common in the 1970s but I think it's time to move on now.
Incidentally, the constituency name won't change as a result of this. The naming of constituencies is up to the Parliamentary Boundary Commission. Confusingly, the Hyndburn constituency is larger than Hyndburn Borough as it includes Haslingden as well. Maybe the constituency could do with a new name as well... |
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Let's change the name and stuff the people of Hyndburn. we don't care what they think. let's just do it. Anyway they are all thick. If we tell them it is for there good they will fall over themselves thanking us.
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I am pretty sure that Greg's experiances in London are the same as mine when asked where you are from...Hyndburn is completely meaningless and so you reply ".Church/Harwood...just outside Accy". People may not have heard of the former places , but they have certainly heard of the latter. I occaisionally tell 'em about a place called Oswaldtwistle, but no one believes me - they think I'm making it up. |
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Forgive my ignorance, but when the name Hyndburn was created, instead of having separate urban councils, didn't the constituency name change at the same time? I seem to remember Arthur Davidson going from MP for Accrington to Hyndburn overnight.
It all sounds peculiarly British and half hearted, a bit like the mess we are in with weights and measures, being offically half metric and yet still half Imperial. |
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It's quite telling, too, that he often says he's the MP for Accrington. And why was this forum not called Hyndburn web? Because it's a name that no one uses, no one likes and no one, outside North East Lancs, knows! |
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Go to Google /com and type in Hyndburn
Results 1 - 100 of about 894,000 for hyndburn. (0.20 seconds) Gonne take some changing isn't it.. As for Greg Pope not mentioning Hyndburn when in London because no ones heard of it... Well DUH! perhaps if the MP did mention it then.... |
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The peculiar thing is that "Hyndburn", as a historical concept, may not even be correct. If you look on some of the old maps of the area, you will see that the river is named as the "Henburn" and that the moor above it - between Clayton and Accrington - is named as Henfield Moor...the "H" was subsequently dropped to become Enfield (as per the cricket club).
The simple truth is that Hyndburn is simply a local government entity in which certain services are paid for and delivered. While there may may road signs saying Welcome to Hyndburn, it is not to be found on any Ordnance Survey or AA road map, It is ignored by the Royal Mail. It is no more than a concept dreamt up in the 1970's and as such it is now well past it's use-by date. Let's bung it in the wheelie bin, the sooner the better. |
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accrington and district- doesnt that sound like a nice place. the district adds a certain charm i would imagine it to be a place with plenty of cobbled streets and men with cloth caps riding bycicles. the reality is a load of chavs in clayton and springhill accompanied by their menacing pitbulls. oh i forgort the wedge haircut asian lads speeding in cars ganging around the streets. how misleading is this new name? very and at a big cost to the taxpayer
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Personalized Results 1 - 10 of about 2,040,000 for accrington. (0.22 seconds. In the ever, faster changing world of the internet 894,000 will be forgotten in about 2 days. :D |
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Whoooooosh! Take a look at the hyndburn results.. I wasn't suggesting change google...Look at all the companies and organisations.. Will they all be compensated for the name change.. it would make for a massive task and the money quoted so far wouldn't even touch it. |
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I think it's a great idea, as long as 'Arrod, Ossy, Clayton etc still get to keep their identities.
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will Altham West get its own district or be classed as accrington?
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lol .....thats the one!!!!!!
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I gave up counting when I got to fifty two, but there are locally quite a lot of businesses/clubs/societies/charities with Hyndburn as part of their name.
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Mind you, it does seem a bit strange for the Council to be considering a name change so soon after spending tens of thousands of tax payers hard earned pounds in boasting of "thirty years of service to the community".
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Surely nobody expects them to spend the tens of thousands of pounds on better services/facilites do they ? :rolleyes::D |
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I dont know if this as been asked before, but what will they call the river hyndburn? river accrington? or will it stay the same?:rolleyes:
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'The sum of £20,000 for new road signs has already been set aside in the council’s budget, says Peter Britcliffe.'
Accrington Observer - End of the road for Hyndburn Cleverly worded Mr Britcliffe, and a nice bit of spin. £20,000 may have been set aside for new road signs, but that isn't going to be the actual cost, is it? I have it on very good authority, after a bit of investigation, that HBC pay around £5,000 each for a road sign, which includes manufacture and erection. Therefore, the replacement four signs we have saying Welcome to Oswaldtwistle/ Borough of Hyndburn, will alone account for the mentioned twenty thousand pounds. Forget the Two Ronnie Fork Handles, we'll be lucky to get four signs. I estimate the cost throughout the borough, for replacement road signs alone, never mind all the other changes that will need to be done, will be over £100,000. Perhaps the people who don't live in Hyndburn, but who think this will be a change for the better, will make a donation, to help those of us who live here, pay for it. Hyndburn is just the name of our council. We all know where we live, and are rightly proud. This rebranding is going to be a complete waste of money, no matter what spin Mr Britcliffe puts on it. |
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A point to note.
If we all stop paying Hyndburn Borough Council our Council Tax now, they won't be able to claim a penny back after it's disbanded, as they will no longer exist.;) |
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So how many thousands of Guineas will the Royal College of Arms charge for creating and registering the new crests :confused::confused: |
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Pondering on this issue a little longer...
when asked, we all know where we come from. Be it Accrington, Great Harwood, Church, wherever, and we say so. The only person who will have a problem, when asked what he does, and where he's from, is Peter Britcliffe. Who will elicit blank faces, when he tells them he is leader of Hyndburn Council. Tough. This all seems a bit like the supposed embarrassment that councillors said they faced, when visiting councillors came to the council chambers, and the resulting expense, was to the tune of £40,000 for one room. Most people couldn't care two hoots that we are called Hyndburn, we aren't. It's only the council who are stuck with the name. Services, not name changes are the order of the day. |
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Read cost, instead of coast in the above post.
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I know why they want to change it! It's because I keep referring to it as Hyndborg Borough Council!
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I'm still confused as to how changing the name would invite more investors, etc. Would like to see the research papers which drew the council to this conclusion. If a business is looking for a new location, they surely would not search under the council's title anyway, would they ?
I always find that when people ask me where my work is based, they are more interested in the name Oswaldtwistle and how Oswald's twistle came about and ask lots of questions on the history of the town and current industries Nr. Accrington does prompt the comment more often than not of Accrington Stanley, but then there is that hint of laughter behind it .. due to the milk advert I think, and never do customers ask any more about the town. I don't believe it will make one iota of difference to commercial enterprise, hope I am proved wrong. |
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I'm telling you. The only person who is embarrassed, and has to use the name Hyndburn as part of his job title, is Peter Britcliffe. He'll be at some bun fight somewhere for council leaders, and have to keep explaining where Hyndburn is. Tough. Are we all expected to pay for this little hinderance? The rest of us never even have to say the name Hyndburn, so it isn't a problem. |
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i also dont see how a change in name will attract more investors to accrington. this remarketing is going to be a a waste of cash. they are also going to waste paper as the old forms will be binned, new sighn posts being erected etc. all this will use uneccessary energy. in this day and age of counting carbon footprints maybe we just cant afford to do this even though accrington and district sounds a bit nicer.
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i bet that Garinda is right on this one. Britcliffe just wants this replacement name cause he cant be bothered to explain where Hyndburn is and what it is made up of. he so used to spending our money carelessley( eg expensive website) that he places little value on it and this attitude is applied to this new idea.
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This change is not a minute before time. We should NEVER have adopted the name 'Hyndburn' in the first place.
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I agree. It's nonsensical. But are you prepared to pay for the considerable cost to change it? Your location is Clayton-le-Moors. I can't think of any Accy Web member who has given their location as Hyndburn. We might have no great love for the name, but it is purely a political name for our borough. None of us use it, and I think it is scandalous to spend money on changing it, when ammenities and services are already so lacking in many parts of the borough. |
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Does anyone remember the General Election recount, when we still did not have a result till the day after, the rest of the country spent hours trying to find Hyndburn on the map, I think some of them will still be wondering;). The sooner they change it the better, I do not want to be buried in Hyndburn Cemetery:D.
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Local councils : Directgov - Directories Mentioned before I think that one of my most overplayed conversations I have with people is where Accy is... start off with between Blackburn and Burnley, then have to move to 15 miles east of Preston, and if this fails 30 miles north of Manchester... believe me, that is common. |
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Doin' just dandy Ian, and glad to read that things are ok with you too xx
Anyway, just to re-iterate other's thoughts as posted in this thread:- Peter Britcliffe has formed this idea merely on the theory that everybody when asked where they come from, we all state HYNDBURN. I have never, ever done this, and bet nobody else in the borough does either. So that is complete nonsense. I now always say Clayton-le-Moors, and when they ask where it is .. just answer North-East Lancs, which is enough for anybody to take in and remember. Don't think in the future if asked I will be replying "Accrington and District" :D |
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People may well have heard of Accrington, mainly as a joke through the old "Accrington Stanley - who are they?" but I always have to explain to people where it is located too so that's no different to people not knowing where Hyndburn is. I remember when we first became part of Hyndburn there was all the palaver repainting the logo all over the place. What's the betting we'll still be finding that stupid grey "hynd's head over a burn" on things in another 30 years time?
I live in Accrington which is part of Hyndburn. How difficult is that? How many more stupid excuses does this council need to waste more of our money? |
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Actually I DON'T want to live in Accrington and District as I live in Great Harwood, not a district of Accrington but part of Hyndburn for the last 33 years and before that was Great Harwood UDC.
I don't hear people from Streatham and Brixton saying "We don't live in Lambeth" or worrying that it isn't a geographical location just a political one. Leave it, at least this way if people ask about Hyndburn we can say Ossie, Church, Clayton et al rather than folk assume it's Accrington. FFS if I wanted to live in Accrington I'd have moved there. |
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100th post & lets be honest who really gives a sh** anymore.
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