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emamum 26-08-2008 20:48
Blackburn 24/7?
 
has been shut down.....anyone know whats happened?heres what MB's said......

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Apologies to the people that made this their home. It may return at some point, but at the moment I can't dedicate any more time to settling petty disputes and I draw the line when people try to make this site a scapegoat for their own problems. More than a few people decided to abuse what was the only independent forum dedicated to our town. Some misguidedly used it as a means to get back at ex partners or air their dirty laundry (or both) and when asked to stop vented their anger on the site - not the real issues. That's just one example, but hey it was only once in a while we had problems, but it seems that offline the site had been knocked, slandered even, by people who felt that a site ran voluntarily, somehow owed them something. And that meant that people, through hearsay, decided not to visit the site as often or not at all.

BERNADETTE 26-08-2008 20:56
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
In house name calling and such like:(

Neil 26-08-2008 21:11
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
What else do you expect in Blackburn ;)

jambutty 26-08-2008 21:32
RIP Blackburn 247
 
Blackburn 247 has gone and left behind the following.
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Sorry, Blackburn 247 is offline indefinitely.

I wrote this because the last time the site went offline because of a technical problem I got accused of 'taking the site away from it's members' even though I'm the sap who pays for it to be here, and it's always been free... And it was only a technical hitch back then. So...

Apologies to the people that made this their home. It may return at some point, but at the moment I can't dedicate any more time to settling petty disputes and I draw the line when people try to make this site a scapegoat for their own problems. More than a few people decided to abuse what was the only independent forum dedicated to our town. Some misguidedly used it as a means to get back at ex partners or air their dirty laundry (or both) and when asked to stop vented their anger on the site - not the real issues. That's just one example, but hey it was only once in a while we had problems, but it seems that offline the site had been knocked, slandered even, by people who felt that a site ran voluntarily, somehow owed them something. And that meant that people, through hearsay, decided not to visit the site as often or not at all.

The site was set up before the likes of MySpace and Facebook, and before the Lancashire Telegraph decided to allow commenting to their pages. It was a means for Blackburn people to keep in touch, chat and discuss local issues. It didn't receive any funding from the council or anywhere else. Sadly it can't remain if only 80 out of 1000+ members are using it regularly.

Perhaps when people stop using the net as some kind of cheap counselling tool, and realize that... "Hey everyone in the world can read this crap I'm writing." And think before they click the submit button, well I may resurrect it. Though I fear that may not happen in our lifetimes!

If you did like the site and would like it in some way resurrected, please join the Facebook 247 group.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=14954967523

Or you're welcome to use the forum at my other site: www.pleasedsheep.com

Thanks for visiting, and special thanks to those that made the site worthwhile over the years, MB
No other comment other than I’m sorry to see it go.

Maybe there is a lesson there?

Lilly 26-08-2008 21:36
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
I've never used that site.

booth76 26-08-2008 21:39
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 623322)
has been shut down.....anyone know whats happened?heres what MB's said......
I've been as frank as I can on the front page of the site. It's not just one problem but a host of them, which led to the closure of the site. You're very lucky to have such a very loyal membership on this site.

An example of the problems is when a member decided to bring up the very inappropriate subject of the Sophie Lancaster tragedy to win favor in an argument, and show the site in a bad light. There was no need to make a point by using that. That's not what I set the site up for, the last thing I want is the girls poor parents to see that on something so trivial as an internet forum that I'm running. Especially when attached to such a petty squabble. That was just one of many things over the past 18 months which have forced my hand. Ex girlfriends bashing ex boyfriends and vice-versa, airing dirty laundry. Then I hear that these people are telling their friends not to use the site. I don't see why the site should be held responsible for offline events, but that's the mentality of some people.

We had some very loyal members but sadly not enough to justify the site remaining. Our site was the first of all the current local sites (even Accyweb), so it's a shame I've had to take the decision. And it's a shame that us Blackburn'ers can't be as proud as you Accy folk.

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 623328)
In house name calling and such like:(
Not at all Bernadette. In house would suggest that the moderators and admins had problems with each other which isn't true. They were fantastic.

It's a case of a few (very) bad eggs upsetting the apple cart.

emamum 26-08-2008 21:43
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
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Originally Posted by booth76 (Post 623376)
An example of the problems is when a member decided to bring up the very inappropriate subject of the Sophie Lancaster tragedy to win favor in an argument, and show the site in a bad light. There was no need to make a point by using that. That's not what I set the site up for, the last thing I want is the girls poor parents to see that on something so trivial as an internet forum that I'm running. Especially when attached to such a petty squabble. That was just one of many things over the past 18 months which have forced my hand. Ex girlfriends bashing ex boyfriends and vice-versa, airing dirty laundry. Then I hear that these people are telling their friends not to use the site.
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I saw the goth argument, that was horrible.
Its a shame its shut down, i was a member on there and was just starting to get used to the members on there...

BERNADETTE 26-08-2008 21:45
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
Sorry to hear that you have felt you had no choice but to close the site just because of a few members. At the end of the day you don't need it:(

booth76 26-08-2008 21:46
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
I may resurrect it at some point, but I doubt I would run it on this software (we used the same forum as Accyweb) as it seems difficult to block people (read, idiots) completely using this. Something like Facebook is easy to keep out unwanted attention for example, and this helps the moderators.

You guys and gals on here are great, so loyal to the Accyweb cause. Has Roy put something in the water? ;)

booth76 26-08-2008 21:57
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 623379)
Sorry to hear that you have felt you had no choice but to close the site just because of a few members. At the end of the day you don't need it
Not so long ago a family member of mine had their business slandered on the site too. It's not nice to wake up to read something like that. And when the member that did that was eventually banned (for something else - posting inappropriate comments about someone's mother, who had just come out of intensive care) this member sent a message out to all 100+ of her Facebook friends telling them not to go on the site because, and I quote, 'they don't allow free speech'.

BERNADETTE 26-08-2008 21:59
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
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Originally Posted by booth76 (Post 623392)
Not so long ago a family member of mine had their business slandered on the site too. It's not nice to wake up to read something like that. And when the member that did that was eventually banned (for something else - posting inappropriate comments about someone's mother, who had just come out of intensive care) this member sent a message out to all 100+ of her Facebook friends telling them not to go on the site because, and I quote, 'don't allow free speech'.
That is terrible.

emamum 26-08-2008 22:01
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
I'm sick of this 'free speech' malarky! You are allowed free speech as long as it doesnt hurt or offend anyone else, anothe forum i go on is having a problem with this as well..

Lilly 26-08-2008 22:04
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 623396)
I'm sick of this 'free speech' malarky! You are allowed free speech as long as it doesnt hurt or offend anyone else, anothe forum i go on is having a problem with this as well..
People often trot out the old 'free speech' line when they have been told they have said something inappropriate.

Free speech does not mean that you can say what you like to anyone on a forum.

Some people think it does mean that though.

cashman 26-08-2008 22:09
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
what i don't understand is if yer having problems with a few *******, why didn't ya just ban em?:confused: just asking. sorry mate just read a previous post.

Lilly 26-08-2008 22:11
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
[quote=cashman;623408** a few *******[/quote]

Haha...always straight to the point, Cashy. :D

booth76 26-08-2008 22:17
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 623393)
That is terrible.
I should clarify. The comments to the person who's mother was ill weren't actually that bad, they were just a bit inappropriate. It was when she was asked to stop (by the person who's mother was ill, not by me) that she was banned because she started to argue with her.

Who on this earth would try and cause an argument with someone who's mother had almost just died? And expect that to be okay to do on a website or anywhere else? Anyone who runs a web forum has to go to bed at night with this sort of stuff on their conscience because if it weren't for the site, that wouldn't have happened.

booth76 26-08-2008 22:32
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 623408)
what i don't understand is if yer having problems with a few *******, why didn't ya just ban em?:confused: just asking. sorry mate just read a previous post.
Oh Cashman, have you got a spare couple of days?

Another example (like I said I could write a book). One person practically begged to be a moderator and was a great member. I made them a moderator and then within a month they posted a virus warning as a joke (it was fake). Many members were outraged, and did not return. I had to de-mod the person. I later received an email from her boyfriend insisting that if she wasn't reinstated, their large network of friends and family would not go on the site any more. And that included the people of a pub that one of their family members owned. It was almost like a solicitors letter, but littered with terrible spelling and grammar...

Actually it was just like a solicitors letter.

Unfortunately it's not as black and white as just banning them. Sometimes penalizing one person is like alienating a membership of 20 or more. And it's usually those who push their luck because they believe they wield some kind of bargaining power. And after all's said and done it helps no one. They are banned so can't use the site, the site loses several members and the membership suffers because the site is less active.

BERNADETTE 26-08-2008 22:34
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by booth76 (Post 623414)
I should clarify. The comments to the person who's mother was ill weren't actually that bad, they were just a bit inappropriate. It was when she was asked to stop (by the person who's mother was ill, not by me) that she was banned because she started to argue with her.

Who on this earth would try and cause an argument with someone who's mother had almost just died? And expect that to be okay to do on a website or anywhere else? Anyone who runs a web forum has to go to bed at night with this sort of stuff on their conscience because if it weren't for the site, that wouldn't have happened.
Think that a lot of people have the stupid idea they can just say what they want because they are sat behind a keyboard. I often wonder if they would be so nasty face to face and like to think they wouldn't. Maybe that is naive of me but I can't see some people being so vocal in the flesh, think it is false bravery in a lot of instances. You do get the odd one or two who just don't care but seems to be more rife through a computer. I am all for free speech but consider other peoples feelings as well!!!

grannyclaret 26-08-2008 23:51
Re: RIP Blackburn 247
 
I personaly never went on Blackburn web,,but its very sad and such a shame to hear something like this...

Neil 27-08-2008 00:18
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
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Originally Posted by booth76 (Post 623382)
I may resurrect it at some point,

I would not bother if I was you. After reading your posts it sounds like you lost control of your site to its users. Or maybe you allowed them to dictate to you because you were too concerned about loosing and upsetting members. That why we have rules and mod's to make sure users stick to them. If people are upset that they have been told off for breaking them then let them leave and not come back.

booth76 27-08-2008 01:00
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 623443)
I would not bother if I was you. After reading your posts it sounds like you lost control of your site to its users. Or maybe you allowed them to dictate to you because you were too concerned about loosing and upsetting members. That why we have rules and mod's to make sure users stick to them.
It was actually the opposite. We had rules and stuck to them.

Even if that was the case, we can learn by our mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 623443)
If people are upset that they have been told off for breaking them then let them leave and not come back.
That's exactly what happened Neil.

booth76 27-08-2008 01:17
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
Sorry after re-reading my post at the top of the page, I can see how you got that impression Neil. My point was that sometimes when you ban one member, they take other members with them who I would imagine don't return out of loyalty to their friend/relative. I suppose this is a symptom of it being a local site, as on an international site there's less likelihood of a member knowing the other members offline.

Mick 27-08-2008 06:48
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
Both threads merged:)

Bonnyboy 27-08-2008 18:10
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
Nobody wants to post in it now :D:D

Neil 27-08-2008 18:14
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by booth76 (Post 623450)
Sorry after re-reading my post at the top of the page, I can see how you got that impression Neil.
I think you were probably a little annoyed and fed up about your site when you posted it. I know it is not an easy job being a forum admin.

booth76 27-08-2008 18:24
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
Actually it's been a weight of my shoulders Neil. I was just trying to explain to Cashman about how banning people wasn't an ideal solution even though it seems that simple :)

cashman 27-08-2008 19:08
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by booth76 (Post 623674)
Actually it's been a weight of my shoulders Neil. I was just trying to explain to Cashman about how banning people wasn't an ideal solution even though it seems that simple :)
i know it aint ideal booth n you have my sympathy, but seems to me like the only way, when its as black a picture as you paint. (take note of the letters in my signature mate);):)

booth76 27-08-2008 19:11
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
Haha, yes absolutely! :D

forceten 27-08-2008 19:12
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
Just wanted to say thanks to Booth on here for running the blackburn 247 site for us.

I know that it wasn't easy.

But can we please stop the rowing on the thread? I'm sure that I am not the only one from Blackburn 247 who is very sad to see the site go like this.

I've shared memorabile moments from my life on the 247 site. I've made friends that I would not have otherwise made. I've laughed and I've cried.

How would you feel if accyweb was to go offline?

Sorry folks, just feeling a little upset at the moment.

Eric 27-08-2008 19:41
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
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Originally Posted by booth76 (Post 623450)
Sorry after re-reading my post at the top of the page, I can see how you got that impression Neil. My point was that sometimes when you ban one member, they take other members with them who I would imagine don't return out of loyalty to their friend/relative. I suppose this is a symptom of it being a local site, as on an international site there's less likelihood of a member knowing the other members offline.
This is an international site.:alright:

booth76 27-08-2008 19:50
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric (Post 623732)
This is an international site.
And there was me thinking it was a local site. I stand corrected.

accyman 27-08-2008 20:13
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
well its not called the world wide web for nothing lol, lets just say its an international site with a local theme depending where you are

besides a lot of members are expats and if it was for locals only then shouldnt we ban them all ,its bad enough they get all the good weather how dare they visit our local site lol

booth76 27-08-2008 20:30
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
That's not what I meant but never mind :)

WillowTheWhisp 27-08-2008 21:07
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
I've just come back off several weeks holiday and was sorry to see that Blackburn 24/7 had closed. I can understand your reason for it though. It is indeed very sad when people turn a local website into a personal forum for petty arguing and vendettas. I have seen things like that happen on AccyWeb but never known it get to the extent of people blackmailing the mods by threatening to get all their friends to boycott. If I were running a forum I'd be glad to see the back of people of that ilk anyway. Even if the membership ends up being small at least if it's friendly it's better to be small than huge and nasty.

I really don't understand why people feel that being behind a computer screen gives them a right to be offensive towards others. There is no such thing as 'free speech' if it contains insults and libel. People in the real world get sued for such behaviour and it shouldn't have to be tolerated in the virtual world either.

I know I haven't been on the Blackburn site much but I will still miss it. To me it was a place to communicate with people who might have more idea about what's happening in that town - like the Church Street demolition site for instance.

I shall be having a look on Facebook shortly.

Frames 29-08-2008 16:56
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
I am gutted! It's a shame it had to come to this - hope Booth may reconsider after a while. Mind you, I only joined here today, the size of this website is boggling and the amount of posters is great! I can see now why Michael was getting frustrated!

booth76 29-08-2008 17:00
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
Ha, now you know Frames... Or should I say Framer :)

Eric 29-08-2008 17:09
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by accyman (Post 623757)
well its not called the world wide web for nothing lol, lets just say its an international site with a local theme depending where you are

besides a lot of members are expats and if it was for locals only then shouldnt we ban them all ,its bad enough they get all the good weather how dare they visit our local site lol
If it makes you feel any better it's raining right now;):D

WillowTheWhisp 29-08-2008 18:06
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
There are o lot of sites nowhere near as busy as this. It's a shame Michael couldn't have just kept going with the few who were happy to be there and ignored the trouble makers and those who tried to get others to boycott the site. I wouldn't have wanted members who could be so easily persuaded by others anyway. How petty is that? I visit a forum because I want to be there and no-one else will tell me where to go and where not to go. - Well they might try telling me but I wouldn't take any notice.

It's a shame when people bring personal petty real life squabbles onto a forum. It has happened here too and we've had people taking the 'ump and leaving. I can think of quite a few who used to be regulars who are no longer here. :(

If 247 ever comes back I hope I notice and I'll be back over there.

Royboy39 29-08-2008 19:12
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by accyman (Post 623757)
well its not called the world wide web for nothing lol, lets just say its an international site with a local theme depending where you are

besides a lot of members are expats and if it was for locals only then shouldnt we ban them all ,its bad enough they get all the good weather how dare they visit our local site lol
Hello..............From sunny Spain.
Hey I've earned my visits to Accyweb, I was brought up in Church and got my lungs full of that crap from Blyth's and the bone yard for many years.
Now I live in the sun......what's wrong with that? :dancedog:

Neil 29-08-2008 19:42
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 624596)
I can think of quite a few who used to be regulars who are no longer here.
I can think of a few who went and were reborn as others as well ;)

Eric 29-08-2008 19:54
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 624631)
Hello..............From sunny Spain.
Hey I've earned my visits to Accyweb, I was brought up in Church and got my lungs full of that crap from Blyth's and the bone yard for many years.
Now I live in the sun......what's wrong with that? :dancedog:
I lived in Clayton (bottom end of course) for the first 21 years of my life, breathing the fumes from the old paint works on Rishton Rd. (I forget the name of it, pity we don't have Viagra for the brain ... my avatar is a picture of the old homestead). Now I live in The Great White North, along with the bears, the moose, and other assorted wild life. I'm a short walk from the shores of Lake Ontario, with the Thousand Islands only a short boat ride away. We are part of a UN World Heritage site: Fort Henry, the harbor fortifications and the Rideau Canal. I love where I live; but I still feel a closeness to my roots ... I really enjoy Accyweb, even tho' I don't understand a lot of what people are discussing ... and then there is the language difference;):D

Alan Gilmartin 30-08-2008 09:30
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
Well I agree with you Eric, My roots are in Clayton too, and live that far away, that accyweb means alot to me, Ive been with it from the start, and consider a few whom Ive never met as my friends, it keeps me imformed of whats going on in the district, and of stories from the past, I would be shattered if it closed down. How close can we get without actually being there.

Loz 30-08-2008 11:21
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
Its a shame that the minority spoilt it for the serious members.
Like many on accyweb i would be gutted if it were to close for any reason.
I have only met a few people on here briefly but feel like i know a lot of you after our many discussions on here and would miss it greatly if it were to go.
I hope you can sort the problems out at some point and get it up and running again,good luck!

booth76 21-09-2008 14:39
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
We're currently have a public beta test running on a different system, so it's back online for those that wanted it to return. Feel free to check it out, you will need to re-sign up though ;)

emamum 21-09-2008 14:42
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
i'm on there.....i like the new look booth :D

jaysay 21-09-2008 17:43
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
Will have a look Michael

Jim Procter 23-09-2008 13:54
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
I signed up yesterday and I am looking forward to a Forum section starting up.Best wishes for the site Michael

WillowTheWhisp 23-09-2008 17:33
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
I must be a bit thick because I haven't quite worked out what that is all about yet. Is there going to be a discussion forum or anywhere to 'chat' to all the members eventually or are we limited to setting up our own groups if we want to do that? I miss having somewhere where I can drop in to find out what's going on in Blackburn, I mean things on a mundane level like Jambutty's rubbish bins.

emamum 23-09-2008 17:39
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
its a bit facebook like atm but i think booths gunna set up a discussion place for us, thought i'm not sure atm....so. long story short, i dunno willow.

MargaretR 23-09-2008 17:54
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
If it stays like a facebook site, I won't be visiting
(I have signed up)

booth76 23-09-2008 19:43
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 634019)
its a bit facebook like atm but i think booths gunna set up a discussion place for us, thought i'm not sure atm....so. long story short, i dunno willow.
We are adding a discussion forum Emamum, we're waiting for it to be finished and then I'll put it online.

Please note, as it states on the front page, the site is currently in beta testing - which means it's still being worked on ;)

WillowTheWhisp 23-09-2008 20:04
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
If it gets a forum I will definitely pop back in for a chat about Blackburny things. Don't want to go to the bother of setting up a group of my own to invite people to, to ask them about the town, as anyone I know I would just ask them anyway and anyone I don't know then I wouldn't be able to invite them because I don't know them, if that makes sense. :D I'm just a bit of a numpty at the mo not really having sussed out what it actually is.

booth76 23-09-2008 20:09
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 634100)
Don't want to go to the bother of setting up a group of my own to invite people to, to ask them about the town, as anyone I know I would just ask them anyway and anyone I don't know then I wouldn't be able to invite them because I don't know them, if that makes sense. :D I'm just a bit of a numpty at the mo not really having sussed out what it actually is.
There's already a group Willow, just click discuss at the top of the page ;) It's as a stop gap till the forum arrives. Groups are really for niche subjects once the forum arrives. I was always getting asked to add new forums for niche interests, now users will be able to create their own and admin them themselves.

But soon, hopefully very soon, there will definitely be a forum. And the people who want a social network will get their wish, and the forum users will have theirs.

WillowTheWhisp 23-09-2008 21:02
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
:D OK now you've confused me again! (It doesn't take much.) I thought you said I needed to start a group to discuss a different, Blackburn based, subject.

booth76 23-09-2008 22:17
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
No groups are just groups. You can start one about anything you like. Say if you wanted to begin a fan club, or ran a rotary club - that's what they are for really. I was just trying to say that if there was a topic that you wanted to discuss in particular, to create a group rather than going off-topic in one of the current ones. It wasn't a big deal I was just trying to point you in the right direction :)

I've just reinstalled the group part of the site because there was a problem with it that was becoming more apparent. It's fixed now.

If you click 'discuss' at the top of the page you will see there's now a Blackburn category as I saw you wanted to discuss the town. Again this is just to keep us going until the forum gets added to the site.

WillowTheWhisp 24-09-2008 07:07
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
At the time I couldn't actually see those, so when you said start a 'group' of your own it sounded like something totally seperate to the Blackburn 247 'group' I thought I was already a member of. Like the different groups on Facebook which you don't even know exist until somebody invited you to join one. Maybe it's the name 'group' which is confusing. Are they more like the different threads on a message board and actually within the group as a whole? I'm used to message forums in different formats but the structure of this new thing is just a bit puzzling.

jaysay 24-09-2008 09:23
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
I signed up last week, but have not used it yet, keep having a look, but will make my daily round up once the frum is up and running, must say don't like this Face Book or My Space type sites, thats why I stick to sites like ours and Burnley, Rossendale, Talk Britain ect

MargaretR 24-09-2008 09:55
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 634259)
I signed up last week, but have not used it yet, keep having a look, but will make my daily round up once the frum is up and running, must say don't like this Face Book or My Space type sites, thats why I stick to sites like ours and Burnley, Rossendale, Talk Britain ect
I went on Burnley again recently for 1st time in ages - it is very quiet - no one posts much

jaysay 24-09-2008 11:04
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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 634266)
I went on Burnley again recently for 1st time in ages - it is very quiet - no one posts much
Ya I often don't vistit for a few days and it tells you how many post since your last visit, I think the Robot is the most active member seems its the only one posting

booth76 24-09-2008 11:31
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 634232)
At the time I couldn't actually see those, so when you said start a 'group' of your own it sounded like something totally seperate to the Blackburn 247 'group' I thought I was already a member of. Like the different groups on Facebook which you don't even know exist until somebody invited you to join one. Maybe it's the name 'group' which is confusing. Are they more like the different threads on a message board and actually within the group as a whole? I'm used to message forums in different formats but the structure of this new thing is just a bit puzzling.
Just think of groups like 'clubs' ;)

Each group has it's own bulletin board, commenting system, members list and the creator of the group can post files, images, etc.

It's so that if someone wants to begin some niche subject and there isn't a forum for it, and it's deserving of more than just a thread (which info can easily get lost in), they are able to do so. At the moment because there isn't a forum we are just using a couple of the groups for discussion.

For example if someone wanted to create a group for Oasis fans they could.

The difference between our site and say Facebook, apart from its local flavor, is that ours will have a forum eventually. So those that prefer the social networking aspect can use that, and those that prefer a traditional forum can stick to that. There's some cool features to the new forum, but it's early days yet and it isn't ready to put on there.

What I do prefer about this new system is the privacy options that members are able to implement, and that's why it was introduced.

emamum 24-09-2008 13:31
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I like the chat facility :)

booth76 24-09-2008 13:52
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
That's the one thing that's more or less finished minus a few small things we'd like to add, so glad you like it.

forceten 24-09-2008 14:57
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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 634313)
I like the chat facility :)
Thats only cos you chat to me :hehetable

jambutty 24-09-2008 16:05
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I’m not really into, what do they call it – social networking web sites – which is why I haven’t responded to the friends requests. It’s just not my scene. Sorry to those who saw me as a friend but as I was intending to delete my account I saw no point in responding

However with the good possibility of a forum I am looking forward to its resurrection.

I only hope that the moderators will actively moderate and not just sit back waiting for people to complain about a post.

emamum 24-09-2008 16:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 634372)
I’m not really into, what do they call it – social networking web sites – which is why I haven’t responded to the friends requests. It’s just not my scene. Sorry to those who saw me as a friend but as I was intending to delete my account I saw no point in responding

However with the good possibility of a forum I am looking forward to its resurrection.

I only hope that the moderators will actively moderate and not just sit back waiting for people to complain about a post.
Jambutty..i know you expect mods to be all powerful,omnipotent beings but how do you expect them to read every single post that is made?
The mods do a great job and also have lives and jobs at the same time! They dont get paid for this, they do it for us. They cant spend all their time looking for threads that may offend people.....THATS WHAT THE REPORT BUTTON IS FOR!!!! So that the mods dont have to trawl throu (probably) 100's of posts every day..

Maybe all the mods would like to have a day off and leave the job to you and then maybe you will stop complaining that (in your opinion) they are not doing a good enough job

jaysay 24-09-2008 16:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 634375)
Jambutty..i know you expect mods to be all powerful,omnipotent beings but how do you expect them to read every single post that is made?
The mods do a great job and also have lives and jobs at the same time! They dont get paid for this, they do it for us. They cant spend all their time looking for threads that may offend people.....THATS WHAT THE REPORT BUTTON IS FOR!!!! So that the mods dont have to trawl throu (probably) 100's of posts every day..

Maybe all the mods would like to have a day off and leave the job to you and then maybe you will stop complaining that (in your opinion) they are not doing a good enough job
Be careful what you say ema, you'll have Mick going on a three month holiday:D

jambutty 24-09-2008 17:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 634375)
Jambutty..i know you expect mods to be all powerful,omnipotent beings but how do you expect them to read every single post that is made?
The mods do a great job and also have lives and jobs at the same time! They dont get paid for this, they do it for us. They cant spend all their time looking for threads that may offend people.....THATS WHAT THE REPORT BUTTON IS FOR!!!! So that the mods dont have to trawl throu (probably) 100's of posts every day..

Maybe all the mods would like to have a day off and leave the job to you and then maybe you will stop complaining that (in your opinion) they are not doing a good enough job
No emamum23, I expect mods to do their job and that is to moderate, not sit back and wait for complaints. Moderating means actively enforcing the forum rules without fear or favour not searching for posts that might offend someone. Most people accept the more common swear words as part of the normal vocabulary whereas some people might find them offensive. The rules state no swearing. It doesn’t mean that swearing will be allowed just as long it doesn’t offend someone and if it does the offended should report it.

So if that means reading every single post then so be it. But a mod of any experience in that forum will know who is likely to transgress and thus can safely target just those posts first.

Years ago the police actively enforced society’s laws by being on the streets and keeping law and order. Today they rely too much on complaints from the public and we moan about that and want them back on the streets.

The Report button is there to report a post that breaches the forum rules as an aid to the mods not as a replacement.

I am a mod of over five years experience on another forum and me and the other three mods manage to read every single post that is made without any problems. There is one mod in Canada, me in the UK, one in Thailand and one in Australia and there is always one of us on-line at all times. We don’t have any specific times to be on-line but in general we log in during our afternoons.

WillowTheWhisp 24-09-2008 17:44
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If you can manage to read all the posts on three forums then they must not be as busy as AccyWeb.

The mods here do all that is humanly possible and if you see a post which contravenes the rules but don't report it and then complain about the mods not doing their job then perhaps next time they do a 'patrol', as you insist they should, you might find yourself coming under the heading of one of the people who offends them.

WillowTheWhisp 24-09-2008 17:45
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 634287)
Ya I often don't vistit for a few days and it tells you how many post since your last visit, I think the Robot is the most active member seems its the only one posting

Oi! I waffle a bit there too. Sometimes I chat to the robot! :D

jambutty 24-09-2008 18:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 634422)
If you can manage to read all the posts on three forums then they must not be as busy as AccyWeb.

The mods here do all that is humanly possible and if you see a post which contravenes the rules but don't report it and then complain about the mods not doing their job then perhaps next time they do a 'patrol', as you insist they should, you might find yourself coming under the heading of one of the people who offends them.
Three forums?

What three forums?

I never stated three forums!

Ah! But that’s what happens when you rush in to stick your oar in. You don’t read what has actually been written and go off half cocked.

If I see a post that breaches the forum rules I report it. I don’t report posts that offend me unless the post also breaches the forum rules.

Those posts that I might find offensive get replied to in kind.

WillowTheWhisp 24-09-2008 18:34
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Ooops sorry, I forgot you were removed from one of them. I was sure you'd stated there that you were a mod on two others.

mad_eye_moody 24-09-2008 18:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 634372)
I’m not really into, what do they call it – social networking web sites – which is why I haven’t responded to the friends requests. It’s just not my scene. Sorry to those who saw me as a friend but as I was intending to delete my account I saw no point in responding

However with the good possibility of a forum I am looking forward to its resurrection.

I only hope that the moderators will actively moderate and not just sit back waiting for people to complain about a post.
so what is accy web and blackburn247 there basicly a form of social networking sites just on a diff format really.

booth76 24-09-2008 18:46
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You do expect moderators to actively moderate, in that they look at what they can within their timeframe and check for reported posts, temporarily keep an eye on new members and watch out for anyone that may have caused a problem in the past.

But you can't expect voluntary moderators to have to read every single post. On a site like this it wouldn't be humanly possible with the amount of activity.

We all have the right to not read, comment or look at something which may not be for them. What's good for one isn't for another. I wouldn't like any forum to be over-censored, that's why every site like this allows people to block other users.

jaysay 25-09-2008 09:12
Re: Blackburn 24/7?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 634423)
Oi! I waffle a bit there too. Sometimes I chat to the robot! :D
I'm beging to worry about you Willow, the flaming Robot doesn't reply, you end up talking to yourself:D

jambutty 25-09-2008 13:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 634442)
Ooops sorry, I forgot you were removed from one of them. I was sure you'd stated there that you were a mod on two others.
Indeed I was but you don’t know the full story and I have no intention of going into it here. It is all water under the bridge.

Your “I was sure” turned out to be totally wrong.

jambutty 25-09-2008 13:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_eye_moody (Post 634446)
so what is accy web and blackburn247 there basicly a form of social networking sites just on a diff format really.
As I understand it, social networking sites like FaceBook and Blackburn 247 as it is now, are web sites where you invite other name individuals to participate in your part of it. Your bit isn’t open for anyone to drop in and have their say.

A forum like AccyWeb and Blackburn247 as it used to be, is open for any member to join in any thread of their choosing and to start their own threads where any other member can join in. Some forums even allow guests to post.

jambutty 25-09-2008 13:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 634442)
Ooops sorry, I forgot you were removed from one of them. I was sure you'd stated there that you were a mod on two others.
Incidentally that forum that you refer to is now a bikers forum.

emamum 25-09-2008 13:37
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Jambutty......there is a multiquote button at the bottom of peoples posts (looks like this "+" ) means you can put everything you want to say into 1 post and not 3 :D

jambutty 25-09-2008 14:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by booth76 (Post 634447)
You do expect moderators to actively moderate, in that they look at what they can within their timeframe and check for reported posts, temporarily keep an eye on new members and watch out for anyone that may have caused a problem in the past.

But you can't expect voluntary moderators to have to read every single post. On a site like this it wouldn't be humanly possible with the amount of activity.

We all have the right to not read, comment or look at something which may not be for them. What's good for one isn't for another. I wouldn't like any forum to be over-censored, that's why every site like this allows people to block other users.
I’m sorry booth76 but you can expect moderators to read every new post. Moderating means applying the forum rules to all and that means reading every post. It is the way to forestall any unacceptable posts and the backlash that they generate. If the workload is too much for one person then invite someone else to become a mod. I also take the view that moderators should be invited by the forum owner on say a 3 months trial rather than seeking volunteers.

A forum should also have a folder that is invisible to members where mods and admin can discus forum issues.

This right to read or not is all very well but until your read that offensive post you won’t know it is offensive. You cannot unread what you have read.

Blocking posts from a particular member is akin to putting your fingers in your ears and talking loudly so that you don’t hear what is being said to you. Not very adult!

emamum 25-09-2008 14:04
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Aaaarghhhh!!!multiquote!!!!!!

jambutty 25-09-2008 18:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 634654)
Jambutty......there is a multiquote button at the bottom of peoples posts (looks like this "+" ) means you can put everything you want to say into 1 post and not 3 :D
There is?

Oh! Yes there it is! It is so small that I never noticed it before.

Much obliged for the pointer.

When I figure out how it works I might just start using it.

emamum 25-09-2008 18:13
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yep...click on that on the posts you want to quote and it will change to "-" then go to post reply and all the selected posts will be quoted there for you.

booth76 25-09-2008 18:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 634659)
I’m sorry booth76 but you can expect moderators to read every new post. Moderating means applying the forum rules to all and that means reading every post. It is the way to forestall any unacceptable posts and the backlash that they generate.

This right to read or not is all very well but until your read that offensive post you won’t know it is offensive. You cannot unread what you have read.

Blocking posts from a particular member is akin to putting your fingers in your ears and talking loudly so that you don’t hear what is being said to you. Not very adult!
I could reply at greater length, but instead I'll agree to disagree.

WillowTheWhisp 25-09-2008 18:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 634645)
Indeed I was but you don’t know the full story and I have no intention of going into it here. It is all water under the bridge.

Your “I was sure” turned out to be totally wrong.
Well you see that just goes to show that I can admit it when I'm wrong. I was sure of something but it turned out that wasn't so.


Quote:
Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 634651)
Incidentally that forum that you refer to is now a bikers forum.
Yes I know it is, but don't see the relevance of that. The original idea flopped so they changed it.

booth76 25-09-2008 18:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 634646)
As I understand it, social networking sites like FaceBook and Blackburn 247 as it is now, are web sites where you invite other name individuals to participate in your part of it. Your bit isn’t open for anyone to drop in and have their say.

 A forum like AccyWeb and Blackburn247 as it used to be, is open for any member to join in any thread of their choosing and to start their own threads where any other member can join in. Some forums even allow guests to post.


Missed this post. Just to reiterate, we're waiting for the forum software so on Blackburn247 there will be an open forum for all members to join in any thread. The site is still in beta, as it says on the home page.

I suspect by "Your bit isn’t open for anyone to drop in and have their say." you mean profile pages, because that's the only thing that you can't comment on unless you are a member - or unless the member has set their albums/other content to be private. But again the forums will be open for all, as long as they are a member.

I think you miss the point of social networking though, as it's more than "web sites where you invite other name individuals to participate in your part of it." but it's really something you have to discover yourself to appreciate it. It's not just a forum system where it's straightforward. It certainly can be if you want (in our case, at least eventually), but it can be more complex than that if you wish.

booth76 25-09-2008 19:00
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Couldn't add this to the end of my post so here's what I was going to add...

I think that now that a large amount of people are particularly fond of social networking sites, and there's still a large amount of people who like forum discussions that it's a good thing to have both as the more users the better for any network no matter whether the user is using one feature or another. A site with more regular users will obviously pay for itself and be more entertaining for the end user - and that's the goal as far as I'm concerned.

booth76 15-12-2008 16:24
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Well for those that wanted it, the site is now back in its original form. Please play nice :) Blackburn 247

Thanks for allowing this thread to remain on Accyweb.

katex 15-12-2008 16:49
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Had a quick shufty ... very little different from ours really, same type of subjects and differences of opinion, apart from local issues. :rolleyes:

Will lurk now and then though as interesting to compare our towns.

See you have a rant forum and allow asterisks .... :D:D

cashman 15-12-2008 17:04
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glad yer sorted n ok now booth.:)

jaysay 16-12-2008 09:19
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I glad its back to its original format, was not keen on the face book style, and they also have a good Arcade as well, well done booth, just hope the carpers have learned a lesson and just let the forum run for the benefit of all

derekgas 16-12-2008 15:18
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I might have to have a shufty, have a few forums already for work advice.

Neil 16-12-2008 16:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 660474)
I might have to have a shufty, have a few forums already for work advice.
Traitor :p:rolleyes:

derekgas 16-12-2008 17:11
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Haha, not exactly, I spend more time on here than any other, and dont see b24/7 keeping me away! :p

Neil 16-12-2008 17:28
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Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 660505)
Haha, not exactly, I spend more time on here than any other, and dont see b24/7 keeping me away! :p
I suppose it could be worse, you could go on www.dingleweb.co.uk

jaysay 17-12-2008 08:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 660510)
I suppose it could be worse, you could go on www.dingleweb.co.uk
Clever invention this internet thingy, I clicked on Neils link
dingleweb.co.uk and all by itself to knew to open up Burnley Web:eek::rolleyes::D

MargaretR 17-12-2008 09:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 660644)
Clever invention this internet thingy, I clicked on Neils link
dingleweb.co.uk and all by itself to knew to open up Burnley Web:eek::rolleyes::D
I looked too - most threads were the robot talking to itself - sad when technology needs to replace people:(

lancsdave 17-12-2008 09:25
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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 660648)
I looked too - most threads were the robot talking to itself - sad when technology needs to replace people:(
Although it's my home town web I'm not keen on it because of the robot. I think it puts people off.

Isn't one of the reasons that Accyweb is so popular becuase of the Stanley element. It's still listed as the official forum for the club and I think quite a few people crossed over the divide to general forum because of it. Burnley Web has no chance of doing that because there is a separate massively popular Burnley football forum.

jaysay 17-12-2008 10:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 660648)
I looked too - most threads were the robot talking to itself - sad when technology needs to replace people:(
That put me of as well and I had a word with Neal bout it, well I mentioned it on a thread. I was just told to make the forum my default page which I've done, this makes it a bit better. I used to be put off when nearly every time you went on nearly every thread was initiated by the Robot, its a bit better now, I've don't the same with 247 too, so that your into the forum as soon as you log on, just like on here, where you can see whats happening the minute go on line:mosher:

jaysay 17-12-2008 10:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 660651)
Although it's my home town web I'm not keen on it because of the robot. I think it puts people off.

Isn't one of the reasons that Accyweb is so popular becuase of the Stanley element. It's still listed as the official forum for the club and I think quite a few people crossed over the divide to general forum because of it. Burnley Web has no chance of doing that because there is a separate massively popular Burnley football forum.
Its the same on 247 dave, although there is a Rovers section, but nothing like on here, where, although I'm a Rovers fan I do go into the Stanley section and do contribute, because I am interested in what Stanley are doing

lancsdave 17-12-2008 10:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 660670)
although I'm a Rovers fan I do go into the Stanley section and do contribute, because I am interested in what Stanley are doing
The Stanley fans are very good at letting people join in and discussing their team, they even engage in a bit of banter. shame Barcelona fans don't have the same outlook :D


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