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Well maybe you should contact them again and ask for the rest of the information you requested in your FOI.

Are you going to give us the benefit of your extensive 'knowlege' in regard to the obscene increase in Peter Britcliffe's members allowances from 2003/04 and 2007/08 - 75.68%

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Please God no.

Let's not waste anymore time of paid council employees, who I'm sure have much more worthwhile things they can be doing for us instead.

I'm sure councillors would be more than willing to provide the other information, if asked nicely.

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I asked for "Mobile phone costs (if they are council provided or subsidised)". Obviously they have just given me the figures for phone bills under the ream of 'expenses', if councillors pay themselves, it's not really council expenses is it.

However if Hyndburn Borough Council have got it wrong, and Graham does subsidise his personal calls, then I'm sure he'll be along to tell us any time soon.

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Andrew you still don't appear to have any views on the 'obscene' level of pay rise Peter Britcliffe has had between 2003/04 and 20007/08. Or is that ok because he is a Tory?

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Then why not just put down the mobile phone costs? If we are only discussing the leaders mobile bill the only put down the mobile phone bill!

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Anyone can take the path of this good education if they choose too.I dont get the bit Slapped them in the face?

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I don't think Cyfer is slapping us in the face, at least he seems to be attending and attempting to learn something.

It would be more a slap in the face if he was to say, go to university get his grant then give up the course with no intention of giving the money back as many other people seem to do.

I hope he comes out of it with a really good degree, I may not agree with his politics but I think he is enjoying and taking a real advantage from his time at Uni'.

:)

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All personal calls have to paid for so the Council messing up my account left me out of pocket. It also left the Council out of pocket too.

It was said I was the only Councillor (there are only 5 mobiles allowed Leaders and Deputies) who went through their's line by line and coffed up. Not sure about that.

Since the bill has fallen to within the monthly allowance (£12) for a such a small amount I now pay a %.

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Silly post. You don't know what your talking about.

Is this advocating a one party state? Adversity is the backbone of democracy. Courts, Councils, Governments. The backbone of free speech, Board rooms, families, social groups, IT messageboards.

This debate is not blue v red (only ignorance leads to that conclusion). Or is it one group against another. It shows your naivety.

The rest of us want democracy back. Where you have say (the one you seem to want o give up so cheaply without explanation). That's what I am fighting for. If you're against that then your leaning towards totalitarianism.

Don't take my word, take the the word of the 3 Tory Councillors who have resigned because of that fact.

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Yes, but you are taken in by the propaganda. It is a race to the bottom. What positive things in 10 years (Conservatives) has those making the decisions done? No Tory ever answers this question.

And in the spirit of a race to the top I put to you The Globe Centre - George Slynn - 600 good jobs - just for starters.

So where next?

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You tried to paint a negative picture of me. You are nasty. That's obvious. I don't mind scrutiny and was the reason I posted up front.

It's about the 3rd time events surrounding my Gran affected politics and those that knew ignored it for their own personal gain.

Last years Labour budget. The Shadow Finance Portfolio had the same problem as me and had to take a back seat. I couldn't complete the work myself because I had my Gran to deal with. But oh no, you had to run to the media and say Labour couldn't produce a budget (knowing we had pressing personal obligations). "They are useless" was your convenient take.

Yes. I believe you live and breathe in the gutter for these reasons. Family is more important than politics.

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I haven't been to any media about you not being able to come up with a budget. I haven't involved your family in politics. I am not nasty just because I don't think you'd be the best person to run the council, people do have opinions different to your own you know. We've talked about you living in your own world, seperate to reality, before.

I believe you live and breathe hate politics.

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Andrew now Graham ahs explained that he paid for all personal calls he made on the mobile maybe you should be asking if Peter Britcliffe also reimbursed HBC for all the personal calls he made on his Council provided mobile.

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I think you should have kept quiet whilst you were ahead on this Graham, I would have willingly endorsed Accyman's comment as above, as others were swing this way. :) Now I am a little confused, but not questioning any 'misuse' at all. Cllr Britcliffe's bill wasn't that small either @ £798 ... but presume had the same problem with the contract too.

From what I have seen of you, you are a very enthusiastic, hardworking and approachable Councillor who spends lots of hours explaining matters at length to his constituents ... not sure what Cllr. Britcliffe is like, as never had any contact to be fair; just on face value alone doesn't seem to have the same type of friendly personality ('course again could be wrong).

Yes, this thread was initially about expenses, but am confused by the figures you have put up Claytonender. Please correct me as not fully au fait with accounts, etc.

Have only found access to what they were at January 2009, and the increase as from thereon, for instance:-

Basic allowance 4,388 >> 4,498 ... 2.5 percent.
Leader of the council 20,488 >>> 20,950 2.45 percent
Leader of Opposition 6,582 >>> 6,747 2.5 percent.
Cabinet Members 7,679 >>> 7,871 2.5 percent.
And so it goes on ... just average increases of 2.5 percent for all posts held; has this not applied to all council members on the basics over the years too.

Is it that Cllr. Britcliff holds specials that command a higher allowance ?

Is Cllr Britcliffe's allowance only showing ?

Hope you understand what I am getting at .. know what I am trying to impart in my head, hope has come out on this post. :D:confused:

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NO i did not, i just asked the simple question,was there any of the Big 2 parties you can honestly say you have NEVER voted fer in the past, sorry was the question too difficult?