Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 731486)

Ah, but if we get a change of government, we'll be able to take sensible steps to deal with agricultural affairs.

Oh no, sorry, we won't because we surrendered control to the EU via the Common Agricultural Policy.

Anyway, at least we'll be able to establish a firm but fair immigration policy.

Oh no, sorry we won't because we've surrendered control of our borders to the EU.

Never mind, carry on arguing while your independence slips away... :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 731479)

Rather have a "Hug A Hoodie" than a half wit:D

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 731620)

We are spiralling towards a Cameron Government. There is no point denying it. Modern opinion polling is much more accurate.

I do not think Cameron has any real idea how to govern or the problems he faces, both policy and personnel wise (eg a Trojan Horse of 200 southern Tories demanding tax cuts).

The idea of sweeping Labour away is a fanciful panacea that hasn't worked at LCC. After getting elected the truth dawned on the Tories. It is well run, it has a good financial position and you can't ban potholes. Further, despite all the hoopla, the first decision that took 3 weeks to decide was to increase Tory allowances and privileges despite everything said on the doorstep. Cameron will be faced with 'real politics' rather than sailing along of a feather bed of media indulgence against Labour.

Governing isn't easy but Cameron and Osborne are implying to people that it is. And like local Tories banning pot holes, national Tories want to confiscate mobile phones from kids (without any paperwork) as a way of cutting crime. How long before angry parents/voters take it out at the ballot box against the Government?

The Tories can say anything and they should win. The problem is winning, there is no coherent next.

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 731620)

We are spiralling towards a Cameron Government. There is no point denying it. Modern opinion polling is much more accurate.

I do not think Cameron has any real idea how to govern or the problems he faces, both policy and personnel wise (eg a Trojan Horse of 200 southern Tories demanding tax cuts).

The idea of sweeping Labour away is a fanciful panacea that hasn't worked at LCC. After getting elected the truth dawned on the Tories. It is well run, it has a good financial position and you can't ban potholes. Further, despite all the hoopla, the first decision that took 3 weeks to decide was to increase Tory allowances and privileges despite everything said on the doorstep. Cameron will be faced with 'real politics' rather than sailing along of a feather bed of media indulgence against Labour.

Governing isn't easy but Cameron and Osborne are implying to people that it is. And like local Tories banning pot holes, national Tories want to confiscate mobile phones from kids (without any paperwork) as a way of cutting crime. How long before angry parents/voters take it out at the ballot box against the Government?

The Tories can say anything and they should win. The problem is winning, there is no coherent next.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 731672)

Isn't that just what Blair did in the run up to 1997 there wasn't a Labour minister with any front bench experience what so ever. Your trouble is Graham you talk the talk but don't walk the walk and lets face it this country is in its worst state its ever been in, up to its neck in debt yet Brown and his little Darling keep doing the Viv Nicholson Spend Spend Spend, but of course as usual they're not the ones who will have to clear up the mess

Originally Posted by Stumped (Post 731765)

Harold Wilson; Michael Foot; James Callaghan; previous labour prime ministers who, like the present nincompoop incumbent, did their level best to ruin the country. None of them, however, presided over the calamitous situation that this scottish toad has managed to wreak upon the nation.

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 731772)

It really doesn't matter to me whether Brown stays or leaves ... but that last sentence doesn't really make sense. You say he is presiding over a "calamitous situation." This might be the case: so is President Obama and our PM Stephen Harper. But I don't see how he can be blamed for the mess .... maybe he is useless as a PM, and that is probably a good reason for giving him the boot; but he surely can't be held responsible for the economic mess that is being shared by most of the rest of the world.

If he holds on to power for a while, until the economic turn around arives, he might be able to claim responsibility for it. Over here, we are officially out of recession with modest growth for the last quarter of the year; and a growth of about 4% next year ... and already the Conservatives are claiming responsibility and are looking to ride the good news to an electoral victory.

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 731777)

Confidence would seem to be returning slowly in America as well

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 731784)

During my internet trawls I see no sign of a recovery in USA.
On the contrary there are predictions of massive civil unrest in October following national bankrupcy declaration expected at their financial year end at end of September.

They are even preparing to use troops returning from overseas to control the population
YouTube - Army Unit to Deploy in October for Domestic Operations

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 731845)

well i never thought i would say this but brown should slap the M.O.D. into shape, because appealing to the courts to REDUCE wounded soldiers injury payments is the most despicable thing i have ever heard, if he does not sort this insult to our fighting men out now he should go immediatly.:mad::mad:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 731845)

well i never thought i would say this but brown should slap the M.O.D. into shape, because appealing to the courts to REDUCE wounded soldiers injury payments is the most despicable thing i have ever heard, if he does not sort this insult to our fighting men out now he should go immediatly.:mad::mad:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 731849)

I agree it is beyond belief... it is a M.O.D action that has been brought by the Civil Service against appeals for increased compensation claims and has been used many,many, times in the past...I have a hunch that Brown did not even know about this case...it does say that this Prime Minister is out of touch ....let's be honest Blair's "spinners" would have spotted this injustice and nipped it in the bud..there really is no excuse.

just a qoute..Eric Joyce, the Labour MP for Falkirk who served in the Army, said: "The government is obliged to test the principles to get absolute clarity on what appropriate levels of payment should be made."

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 731851)

what also shocked me - under normal circumstances the tories n lib dems would have ripped the government to bits on this, yet on the news at 6-0 NOTHING, that implies to me they agree with it.:eek:

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 731777)

It's interesting that Canada is now out of recession. Confidence would seem to be returning slowly in America as well

Although the British economy would seem to be lagging behind, there are however now several economist in this country predicting growth in the first quarter of 2010.