Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod (Post 749063)

As eloquent as ever G, and echoes my opinion perfectly, that's the same charitable soul who called me a devil worshipper because I wore a t shirt with a rock band's name on it. Needless to say I won't be putting my cross in his box either!:mosher:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 749053)

If before the next General Election, Jesus, he of the meekness, mildness, and protector of suffering children.....

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 749085)

The letter was looking spot on until this bit.



If He is the protector of suffering children why has he allowed 15 million of them to become orphans and 2 million to be infected? :confused::mad:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 749097)

Religion and politics shouldn't mix - that statement works both ways.

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 749097)

Religion and politics shouldn't mix - that statement works both ways.

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 749114)

I agree with that and would not vote for one.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 749089)

I'm not interested in any deep theological discussions re: religion, I'm just going to use all my evil powers to make sure this nasty little man doesn't garner any votes of those who may be disillusioned with some of the mainstream political parties.

Here endeth the lesson.

:D

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 749053)

I'm sure we'll be having many more threads about the proposed candidates, who wish to stand for Hyndburn in the next General Election, but I thought I'd start the ball rolling, especially now Cllr. Britcliffe has publicly announced his decision to put himself in the selection arena, according to last weekend's press.

Here's a copy of a letter (unpublished), I sent to the Observer, outlining why I definitely won't be voting for one particular candidate, when the election date is announced, within the next nine months.

Dear Sir,
Unfortunately it looks as if Greg Pope’s retirement at the next General Election is resulting in a glut of self publicizing citizens, declaring an interest in standing to represent Hyndburn.

It doesn’t seem a quarter of a century ago that the then Rev. Logan was using the local media to publish his epistles that A.I.D.S. was sent from God, to rid the world of evil sinners, such as homosexuals and drug users.

Mr. Logan has been strangely quiet on that particular subject of late.
Perhaps it might have something to do with the two million innocent children living with H.I.V. in sub-Saharan Africa, or the fifteen million children worldwide orphaned because of this terrible disease, or it might simply be because of the fact that female homosexuals are the least affected group on the planet.

If before the next General Election, Jesus, he of the meekness, mildness, and protector of suffering children, happens to register on the electoral roll here in Hyndburn, I doubt very much that he’ll be voting for the odious Mr. Logan, and that would make at least two of us.

Yours etc.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 749334)

I hope you decide to send that letter to the Obs (whether they print it is another matter) It spells out the reason for that old saying Religion and politics don't mix

Originally Posted by katex (Post 749155)

Garinda: You also missed out the innocent haemophiliacs and other blood transfusion recipients.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 749359)

He was saying that A.I.D.S. was God purging the world of sin, at the time that it was public knowledge that many hemophilliacs had sadly contracted H.I.V.

This was pointed out to him in the 80's, but again he chose to ignore this fact. Presumably because it didn't fit in with his so called theory.

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 749365)

Can anyone inform the forum what the priest's policys are on the following matters:

a) The UK's continuing membership of the so-called European Union?

b) Trident replacement?

c) Public Borrowing & debt reduction?

d) Immigration

If he can tick the right boxes here, then he don't sound all that bad.

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 749363)

Another HIV Aids theory-
The Origin of AIDS and HIV May Not Be What You Have Learned
This appears far more logical to me

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 749371)

This former dentist also thinks the Seprtember 11th terorrist attacks were carried out by a drugs cartel, as a way of population reduction. Though how reducing your customer base would increase drug profits seems unclear. So I'll take his theories with a pinch of salt.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 749374)

Do you mean this man?
"the U.S. Government's chief DNA sequence analyst at the Los Alamos Laboratory in New Mexico, Dr. Gerald Myers"

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 749431)

I gather that you have an alternative theory then.
Maybe a couple of airplanes did it :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 749493)

I received a group invitation on Facebook - see below


Kevin Logan is Prospective Parliamentary Candidiate for Hyndburn.

He's hoping to win support like fellow Christian democrat German Chancellor Angela Merkell.

Kevin and CPA want to serve the people of Hyndburn and represent them honestly and with integrity in London.

Locally,

we're fighting and praying hard to Save our Stanley. We want to see more help for local clubs, a faifrer share of the media spoils and even grants.

We believe kids should be in sport not court, therefore we're appalled at plans to sell off more playing fields in Huncoat.

We're ready to take on any other local issue you want to raise. Tell us and we'll put our weight and influence behind it. We want to fight for your rights and needs, whatever you tell us they are.

Nationally,

Economically - Human nature is awsome but fallen. That's the distinct and different starting point for Christian democrats. We don't believe we're becoming better. HUman nature does not change. We will always have boom and bust, and therefore we need good discipline in banking and commerce.

We want bankers to save and prosper our money, not put it on the equivalent of the 2.30 handicap on Wall Street.
Savings and investments need separating - we need strong politicians who will take on bankers, not cow-tow to them.

Family needs financial backing. Stable families build strong, working communities - less crime, ASBOs, less family breakdown... We need to help them get out of debt, give tax breaks back to them, make it pay to have kids, help them to give their own kids a sure start. If we did that we'd save billions on the State trying to give deprived kids a sure start.

Internationally,

Globalisation's here to stay. We need to be part of Europe, yet with our own heritage. And Europe needs to be part of what could be G3 - with the U.S.A. and China. At present, dealing with Europe is like playing chess against 27 different opponents. The present G2, just won't take Eruope (and consequently Britain) seriously, nor will the rest of the world.

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 749123)

One what?

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 749647)

I just had an invite to join Kevin Logan's Facebook group.

This was the invite



This was my replay

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 749574)

I thought he was more or less an independent - but it would appear that there are lots of them Christian Peoples Alliance - welcome

Originally Posted by Gingerninja (Post 749747)

I've known Rev Kev all my life - he was a close friend of my late father's and Linda was one of my mother's friends. I was also friends with his children. My father was a humanist and he liked to discuss ideology with Kevin - however, Kevin did respect my father's wishes not to have a Christian funeral and he attended his humanist celebration. Even though you don't pertain to his way of thinking..fine..don't vote for him..we do all still have a democratic right and can choose. I find the personal attacks about him a little childish..he may have strong views about certain social policies - but so do a lot of folk.I bet you don't all go about character bashing them - and calling them 'media whores'.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 749768)

It was a linked website that called him a 'media whore', it merely made me laugh, given his constant use of the media over the decades to publish his sickening views, which are purely his, and nothing to do with Christanity.

Yes we do live in a democracy, something that wouldn't necessarily be the case if we were governed by religious fundamentalists, and on that note I, and it seems others, will use our democratic right to oppose this odious man's attempt to become our M.P.

Originally Posted by KevinLoganCPA (Post 750068)

For some, there's

Originally Posted by KevinLoganCPA (Post 750068)

They're in nine of my books published over the last 30 years. The best record of my views is in my column in the Lancashire Telegraph each Saturday morning, and some back columns over a decade can be accessed through the COMMENT tab on the Telegraph website.

Originally Posted by KevinLoganCPA (Post 750068)

By the way, one of you claims you have a record of all my views over the last decade.

Originally Posted by KevinLoganCPA (Post 750068)

I shall make an effort to reply over this coming weekend.

I'll get cracking tomorrow morning.

Originally Posted by katex (Post 750587)

He was on for a couple of hours Garinda yesterday morning. I awaited a reply with anticipation but nowt was forthcoming.

The best excuse would be that he did try to reply and lost it all being a newbie; as we all have done in the past. :D Perhaps he forgot to tick the 'remember me' box ? God works in mysterious ways. ;)

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 749493)

I received a group invitation on Facebook - see below


Kevin Logan is Prospective Parliamentary Candidiate for Hyndburn.

He's hoping to win support like fellow Christian democrat German Chancellor Angela Merkell.


Why does he need the support of the German woman who looks like a school dinner lady?

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 749557)

Hi Gayle

It's not what you look like, dinner lady or not.

I thought an up-front, modern lass like you would have known that.

And, anyway, what's wrong with School Dinner Ladies?

Some of the most genuine, real, nice ladies look after our kids at school.

Kevin logan

P.s. hope you don't mind me contributing to this group especially because I'm going to vote for myself. Keep smiling.

Originally Posted by KevinLoganCPA (Post 750938)

1. Regarding AIDS and God's punishment.

I think I was basing my writings on Paul's letter to the Romans (chapter 1). It says that God will eventually give the world up to its own practices. If they insist on being their own gods and doing things their own way then he will let them carry on.

God loves each of us to the point of sending his son to die in our place for our sins. But there does come a time when even a loving God will let men and women do as they wish.

Originally Posted by KevinLoganCPA (Post 750949)

And now for something a bit more positive.

Maybe some of you might even agree with some of it.

It's about the Global Common Good.

As you probably know, grinding poverty still holds 2.8 billion people around the world in its grip. The Bible makes it clear with over 3,000 references to poverty that God hates injustice and that to love our neighbours as ourselves is a mandate that Britain should follow.

For the Christian Peoples Alliance, poverty is not an accident - it's driven by global injustice.

The global common good requires significant changes in the West, where powerful nations are wedded to empty consumerism, militarism and consumption of scarce resources that belong to all the planet. Christian Democrats want action to transform the policies of the world's financial institutions. The CPA will also press for Britain and its partners in the European Union to reach economic trade agreements with countries in the developing world that are not exploitative but fair.

And I ringing any bells for any of you yet?

Foreign and trade policies that address the root causes of discontent in the poverty and injustice of the developing world are the best long-term strategy for tackling terrorism. The CPA will therefore pursue policies that challenge the root causes of injustice, such as wars, generalised violence, persecution, human rights abuses, the arms trade, the crippling debt burden and unfair trade practices that distort the economies of poor countries.

Britain and its allies in the EU and US would do better to invest in schooling, tackling climate change, a free media and environmental protection than bombing campaigns, spyware and ID cards.

The European Union must not become a rich man's club. We will judge every measure by reference to our love for poorer global neighbours. This will require opening up our markets, ending subsidised agricultural export dumping and setting new standards of environmental protection.

Is there nothing here that you would vote for?

Originally Posted by KevinLoganCPA (Post 750924)

If you look back - all I did was post the message that I'd received on Facebook. It was actually Tealeaf who added the bit about Dinner Ladies, not me.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 812931)

Yes G....I think he has.......what a shame :D

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 812937)

God's moves aren't that mysterious after all.

I don't think he was one of the 795 that voted for him.

What's an attention seeking, self publicist, to do next?

795 is pitifully low result.

You could say he was crucified.

:mosher:

Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 812954)

I'm just surprised he managed to get so many votes - he may be a Stanley supporter (a persuasion that normally stands anyone in good stead with me) but not in his case -795 people voted for him - really???

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 826444)

Oh, dear.

It wasn't just our local bigot who didn't do very well in the election, and lost his deposit.

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