Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 749881)

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...-us-48640.html

Been there - done all that.:confused::confused:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 749882)

Yes..but still no input on what the Tories have done or will do..tell us Benipete.;)

Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 749943)

Posted via Mobile Device whats a babana republic?

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 749902)

Well we tuned Britain into a strong economy after inherting a Babana republic in 1979, left by a joke of a goverment and it looks like we'll be doing it again when this clown Brown gets kicked into touch

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 750261)

All governments have to make decisions. Maggot sold all our Black Gold at 10 dollars a barrel and it has reached $144 a barrel. All our public assets that the day after where worth double or triple on the stock market, deliberatly underpriced. Jaysay, your arguments are inflamatory because they are so contradictory and measured in £s sterling so wrong to the waste under Maggie.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 750344)

...somebody who only comes on here when he thinks he can win an argument, but stays well clear when he and the party he represents haven't a leg to stand on

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 750428)

Is that why your little pal, Peter Britcliffe, has only made two posts on here, so far?

:rolleyes:

:D

Originally Posted by katex (Post 750436)

Did see that Judith Addison has registered as a member though (under her own name) .. maybe she will be his mouthpiece ?

Originally Posted by katex (Post 750436)

Did see that Judith Addison has registered as a member though (under her own name) .. maybe she will be his mouthpiece ?

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 750476)

lmao inuendo comment of the day

Originally Posted by katex (Post 750465)

LOL ... wonder whose hand is operating them then (am trying not to be rude) ...:D

Can't wait for Andrew to get back from the Tory conference and let us know what David is now going to do for us all ... haven't heard anything substantial up to press .. ?? Yes, I will listen.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 750632)

Well to start with he'll have to cut back borrowing from 14% of GDP, then of course there's the massive debt, the bigest debt this country has ever had in peace time

Originally Posted by katex (Post 750658)

Ok Jaysay, but I want to know how it is going to affect me, me, ME ! :D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 750760)

Well your Council Tax would be frozen for two years for a start kate:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 752058)

no change then... cuts in welfare benefits, cuts in the NHS, a freeze on national pensions, ending of working tax credits, abolish the minimum wage..but tax cuts for those earning over £70k a year.... the Tories tell us they have to make hard decisions...non of these "hard decisions" involve the already well off..the ones who will suffer the most hardship under Tory rule will be the old, the sick, pensioners and the working men and women... same as usuall.

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 749878)

opposed the NHS
opposed the child labour act
opposed womens right to vote
opposed discrimination acts
opposed all national benifts
opposed nation pension
opposed a minimum wage

;)

Originally Posted by carlmason (Post 752084)

Up the Tory boys!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 752058)

no change then... cuts in welfare benefits, cuts in the NHS, a freeze on national pensions, ending of working tax credits, abolish the minimum wage..but tax cuts for those earning over £70k a year.... the Tories tell us they have to make hard decisions...non of these "hard decisions" involve the already well off..the ones who will suffer the most hardship under Tory rule will be the old, the sick, pensioners and the working men and women... same as usuall.

Originally Posted by carlmason (Post 752147)

good to see you have a true tory name margaret. Greatest leader of our time.

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 752150)

During the Thatcher despotic rule, a man once said the same.
I shut him up by asking 'Is your name Richard?'

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 752077)

Mancie is your trail of thought just to come on Accringtonweb without going near any form of news source and then spout rubbish about the Conservative party?

Under a Conservative government those on incapacity benefits who genuinely cannot work will get more help than they're currently getting. The frontline NHS will be ring fenced - a commitment Labour have not made. There will be an increase in the basic state pension and it will be linked with earnings so that pensioners get more every year. This is paid for by bringing the rise of the retirement age forward. Increasing the working tax credit for couples to abolish the shambles of an idea that it's financially better for couples to live apart than together. A commitment to keep the minimum wage - even mentioned in keynote speech. Public sector pay freeze for 1 year for those earning above £18,000. A tax increase for those in the highest tax band from 40% to 50%. A 5% cut in ministerial pay and then frozen for the entire parliament and an initial 10% cut of MPs.

Just some of the commitments so far - rather contradictory to your post Mancie. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 752077)

Mancie is your trail of thought just to come on Accringtonweb without going near any form of news source and then spout rubbish about the Conservative party?

Under a Conservative government those on incapacity benefits who genuinely cannot work will get more help than they're currently getting. The frontline NHS will be ring fenced - a commitment Labour have not made. There will be an increase in the basic state pension and it will be linked with earnings so that pensioners get more every year. This is paid for by bringing the rise of the retirement age forward. Increasing the working tax credit for couples to abolish the shambles of an idea that it's financially better for couples to live apart than together. A commitment to keep the minimum wage - even mentioned in keynote speech. Public sector pay freeze for 1 year for those earning above £18,000. A tax increase for those in the highest tax band from 40% to 50%. A 5% cut in ministerial pay and then frozen for the entire parliament and an initial 10% cut of MPs.

Just some of the commitments so far - rather contradictory to your post Mancie. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 752369)

I might be missing something here, but can you clarify the point that people on Incapacity Benefit who are in genuine need, will get more under the tory's than they are currently getting.? What have the Consevative's actually said about benefit amounts?

Best Regards - Taggy

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 752397)

Exlusive.. a leaked photo of the new medical examination for incapicty benifit claims under the Tories

http://www.321-tele-realite.com/wp-c...-wipeout-1.jpg

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 752415)

I'm not sure if it was in a speech but it was definitely on question time on Thursday. George Osborne said that they will try and get those on incapacity benefits who can work into work. For those who genuinely cannot work more help will be provided. He didn't state what 'help' was, whether it's monetary or a form of service for the individual concerned.

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 752358)

it may surprise you Andrew that I got my info from the Daily Mail..I admit that I did not watch any of the gut wrenching Tory Conference speeches which for me seem to be akin to the Nuremberg Rallies...almost everything in your post seem to be reasonable policies but I don't believe any of it....history shows that when the Tories start talking about hard decisions it is the less well off that take the brunt... Tories always balance the books by squeezing the vast majority.. thats what they do ..simple!

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 752442)

And just what have this lot been doing for the last 12 years but screwing EVRYBODY to the floor, we are now he most taxed nation in Europe and the most in debt too:mad:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 750760)

Well your Council Tax would be frozen for two years for a start kate:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 752996)

What about the cuts in services that will follow the freezing of Council Tax?

The only way Council Tax can stay at a 0% rise is by cutting costs - which will inevitably mean staff.

Before you accuse me of only posting to be inflammtory - I have been away on holiday for the last 2 weeks.

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 753017)

You should have stayed on holiday and spared us this garbage. Why should a 0% rise result in staff cuts? Most people in the private sector have to make do this year with a 0% wage rise; others are having their wages cut, or simply losing their jobs And it is the private sector which pays for the public sector - so why the hell should they now pay more for pay rises for useless bureaucrats, time-wasters and no-hopers on inflated pensions, long holidays and any excuse to do nowt but fart around in Scaitcliff House or County Hall courtesy of the ratepayer.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 752442)

And just what have this lot been doing for the last 12 years but screwing EVRYBODY to the floor, we are now he most taxed nation in Europe and the most in debt too:mad:

Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 753022)

Maybe you can explain how a 0% Council Tax freeze can be achieved without cutting services.

There are other costs involved in providing services as well as staff costs.

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 753030)

Inflation is running at about 0% for non-staff costs - that is according to HMG's inflation statistics, taking the midpoint of the RPI/CPI. So we've nowt to worry about there.

No one gets a pay rise so that's 0% - which is better than in the private sector.

So no cuts in staff and no cuts in services.

Easy when you can do your sums, unlike most labour people.

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 753032)

Simple..does your calculation take account the directors and executive wage increases in the private sector? ..and there's no way you can involve the "back handers" and tax loop holes and ivansion for the already highly paid members of the board, loopholes that are beyond the working men and women in this country.. nothing will be done under a Tory Government.. because the fat cats will be the Government!

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 753030)

Inflation is running at about 0% for non-staff costs - that is according to HMG's inflation statistics, taking the midpoint of the RPI/CPI. So we've nowt to worry about there.

No one gets a pay rise so that's 0% - which is better than in the private sector.

So no cuts in staff and no cuts in services.

Easy when you can do your sums, unlike most labour people.

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 753023)

I'd say 10 of the last 12yrs have been steady until the world wide economic slump...and in comparison to the Thatcher years they have been good.. to be frank Jaysay your memory of the last Tory Government seems a bit blurred... 17% interest rates, 15% mortgage rates.. the active slaughter of UK industries in a quest to smash unions..hundereds of patients on trollies in hospitals coridoors because of cuts in funding.. riots on a regular basis...14% national unemployment rising to 25-30% in Wales and the north.
If you think (in your own words) that EVERYBODY has been screwed to the floor under Labour I reckon not... maybe the EVERYBODY you talk of are the high wage earners that don't like the idea of paying tax for services in this country..and that would be no surprise from a life long Tory supporter.

Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 752996)

What about the cuts in services that will follow the freezing of Council Tax?

The only way Council Tax can stay at a 0% rise is by cutting costs - which will inevitably mean staff.

Before you accuse me of only posting to be inflammtory - I have been away on holiday for the last 2 weeks.

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 753111)

Does that mean Labour will not be proposing a council tax freeze or cut come the next local elections?

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 750335)

Labour would be much better off if you are honest with people and admit where you went wrong.

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 753111)

Does that mean Labour will not be proposing a council tax freeze or cut come the next local elections?

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 753548)

The Conservatives at LCC have promised a freeze and have achieved it by borrowing £40million over 3 years

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 753665)

as an interested outsider.......from following this and other threads it seems the biggest slice of Council tax goes to the LCC, and Hyndburn BC get the table scraps yet it comes in for most of the criticism. How many LCC Councillors represent Hyndburn ? . Apart from G Jones dont think I have read any posts on Accy web from any others ....do they know Accy web exists ?
And can someone also explain how a politician who is booted out of pubic office by the electorate qualifies (and gets within 3 months) a part-time civil service job paying £24K supervising the local hospital without the job being advertised .
just curious

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 753548)

The Conservatives at LCC have promised a freeze and have achieved it by borrowing £40million over 3 years

Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 753672)

For the borough of Hyndburn there are 6 county councillors - Graham Jones represents Accrington South, Miles Parkinson represents Rishton and Clayton-le-Moors, Cairan Wells represents Great Harwood. (These 3 councillors are all Labour). Mohammed Younis represents Accrington West and Peter Britcliffe represents Oswaldtwistle (They are both Tories) and Malcolm Pritchard represents Accrington North - he is an Independent.

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 753700)

The Independent is about as Independent as you and me are.

Originally Posted by spignific (Post 754358)

ive started to accept the fact that tories will be in power next.
the majority wont be very much though so they cant get through any policy thats too dodgy.maybe that means the bosses wont be able to **** on every worker in accrington any more than in the past and it wont be much of a change.hopefully.

recently cameron went to pause for photos at the salford lads club in front of the famous SMITHS board but that hazel whatever mp woman held him up delibrately so he didnt have time to do it.i was well chuffed .
shes a cheat and he's a fraud so neither should be allowed there anyway..
beckham came back,get tony blair back i say

actually my mate mr g jones should be pm haaaaaaaaa

Originally Posted by spignific (Post 754358)

get tony blair back i say

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 754838)

at least this sacrilege would never happen under the Tories ,
Noddy returns without the golliwogs , PC Labour gone mad

Noddy returns without the golliwogs - Telegraph

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 755316)

What's all this I read about the tories forming links with East European parties in Poland and Latvia, parties with definite ultra right wing agendas? The Latvian "For Fatherland and Freedom Party" stinks of antisemitism. Didn't we fight a war about that shlt a few decades ago?

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 755364)

I'd take what you read with a pinch of salt Eric. There are a lot of politically motivated incorrect rumours being spread by those who wish for a federal Europe in an attempt to discredit the reformists new grouping.

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 755529)

And why is William Hague defending the tory's alliance with the European right wingers in a meeting with Secretary of State Clinton? If these guys are so far to the right in their foreign policy, doesn't this suggest that they will act in the same way in their domestic policy?

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 755555)

They have formed a grouping that doesn't want a federal Europe. I suppose many federalists therefore would call them far right. They have no democratic basis to argue with them and therefore must try and trade insults or smears. I think it's just about having our own nations sovereignty. Making decisions here not in Brussels.

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 755613)

Ok, I get your drift ... but, if, as you state, it is a matter of British sovereignty why would the tories form a "grouping" that seems (from what I read at a distance, admitedly) to hold such un-British values and ideas:confused: If it is a question of making decisions in Westminster rather than Brussels, why not, well, just make decisions in Westminster:confused:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 755620)

Well because we don't have the power to do so as it's been handed over to Europe. We need to fight to have powers given back so we can decide on things ourselves. The problem with the EU is you have to be in groupings to get things done. The Conservatives felt being in a pro-federal group was counterproductive to their reformist approach and therefore built a new group with MEP's whom shared their views on taking back powers.

If you look at the backgrounds of the parties Labour are grouping with in the EU you'll find many you will disagree with. That's part of the problem of Europe. Just another reason why they should have less of a say over our domestic policy.

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 753741)

Massive debt is not just a local (UK) problem.
I have been watching Gerald Celente's forecasts for several months now.
His latest trend announcement can be heard here
Gerald Celente News Blog

The dollar is about to collapse completely.
The USA is bankrupt, and this is due to be realised/admitted before year end.
The first sign will be a prolonged 'bank holiday' when cash movements will be frozen.

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 756537)

PS to my post#70 part quoted above.
Strange goings on are happening to the banking system this weekend
GOING GLOBAL - EAST MEETS WEST - ARTICLES OF INTEREST: BANKS WORLDWIDE GET READY FOR THE OCTOBER SURPRISE!

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 768149)

So Maragret, Any news on this then.....
The dollar is about to collapse completely.
The USA is bankrupt, and this is due to be realised/admitted before year end.
The first sign will be a prolonged 'bank holiday' when cash movements will be frozen.- (maybe worldwide depending on what they decided at the recent meeting in Philadelphia) You will not be told about this bank holiday in advance, so that a 'run on the banks' can be avoided.
On re-opening for business a new currency will be announced.
This might be the Amero (which has already been minted)
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ged-47655.html (Attn Eric - USA, Canada & Mexico to be merged)
or a New World Currency
People who have debts are about to lose less than those who have savings - but both will be losers.
When the dollar fails there will be knock on effect worldwide.
I do not know what these will be - any suggestions?

This is not conspiracy theory - it is evolving FACT

The October Bank Holiday never happened... Would be interesting to hear the 'Truth'....

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 768152)

Patience:).......many nations haven't managed to get their gold reserves up to scratch yet.
This has been hampered by gold plated tungsten bars being found in reserves in China and which originated in USA.
There are a lot of 'heated exchanges' going on about it;)

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article14996.html

Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 749943)

Posted via Mobile Device whats a babana republic?