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Let's see if they revert to the original promise of full installation when questioned at council next week. |
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Front page of the Observer tonight.
Can't be that big a deal then, can it? |
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Where is the brass plaque dedicated to Peter Britcliffe ?
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They are not stupid , most have kept businesses running through the past economical problems in the counrty. So if a 6 day week would work they would be on it by now !!!! the old saying a made market day does not work is still true. I believe a survey was done by the traders of people visiting the market hall during the normal market days and the over whelming majority of people said they would not shop on a wednesdays in the market hall. This is not a commercial decission it is a political driven matter and to hell with who it crushes on the way. These are independant retailers not goverment owned and you will do well to remember that Our glorious leader !! |
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it is on the wall at the side of the Cafe`s. near the new lift. it says re opening of the market hall , it never closed !
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Honest. We want that gallery to be full next week so that the Leader of the Council and the portfolio holder for markets (titles which they are quick to remind everyone of at every opportunity) can stand up and address their accusers with a rapier wit and a well-turned trouser. I suspect the buck will be well and truly passed when the time comes. |
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I'll make a wager with anyone who's willing that Britcliffe can't answer any question next week without referring to Graham Jones.
The Market Hall problem? Graham Jones..... Area Managerment calendars? If Graham Jones didn't own two houses..... Taxi licensing? Under Graham Jones' leadership....... Bet you. He just can't help himself. |
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Have any councillors declared an interest in the Market Hall, and therefore won't be voting?
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a) A direct interest - a councillor (or his family/friends) actually having a stall within the Market Hall. b) An indirect interest - a councillor (or his family/friends) running a retail outlet outside the Market Hall, but which nevertheless is in competition with those inside the Hall and as such it would be to their advantage to make trading conditions within the Market Hall as unfavourable as possible. Are there any councillors who would fall into this latter category? |
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Finally, today, I found the plaque :-
As someone mentioned earlier, the market hall NEVER closed (was a bit awkward at times, but never closed). |
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A suggestion / comments box will be available at Ian Smith's stall, M & I K Smith (Bacon and cook Meats) tomorrow Saturday 11th sept ,it will be there for approx 2 weeks .
The AMTA (Accrington Market Traders Association) want the points of view of the people and visitors to Accrington's Market and Market Hall. All comments and suggestions welcomed ,new ideas , good or not so good. They would like your input. Please pass the message along to all you know. |
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As you say, it never closed. Therefore wasn't 're-opened'. I suppose it would have been harder justifying having your name on a brass plaque, if it just said 'tarted up', or 'refurbished'. Historically it has always been a mayoral duty, when civic dedications are unveiled. Perhaps I just missed the news that that rule book has now been thrown away, and it's now the council leader, and their partner in grime, who have their names immortalized for all time. |
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I wonder how long it will be there before the gypo's nick it for scrap?
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I pondered that too. Then came to the conclusion that it's probably welded to the wall, and fastened with twelve inch bolts. It'll certainly be securer than the pavements across the road in Church Street. Which are a death trap. |
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Pray that it is soon.
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I know who I see in there, on my twice weekly shopping trips, and who's reportedly seen doing a once weekly shop in their cars, at one of the supermarkets. :rolleyes: |
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Cllr Haworth apparently is intending to declare an interest although no one seems sure why. |
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Maybe she's an investor. Perhaps she loaned the money to pay for the brass plaque, that bears her name. :rolleyes: |
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...Or maybe she doesn't want any part in the sorry mess.
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(I thought I should state that there were 2 members of HBC called Haworth, in case Garinda was concerned we had 2 councillors on HBC who had alter egos - thankfully only Malcolm appears to have 2 separate personas. ) If its Marlene I wonder what it is, as I am pretty sure just being the Cabinet member responsible for Markets, she would not have either personal or prejudicial interest. If she has a prejudicial interest she should not have been involved in the Market refurbishment in the first place. |
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I was in the market hall yesterday and got behind a out of town old couple they where chatting as they walked into the hall saying how good it used to be and how long its been since they where last here as they got into the hall they stopped and looked round and said " whats happed the market is empty,where have all the stalls gone" i had to smile to myself and thought yep thats what we all think:D
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Whatever those councils bods decide, will have the life of the Market Hall in their hands......and my guess is that they will railroad through this hare brained scheme and the Market Hall will die because the traders will leave.
The traders know their trade....the type and the volume. They know if it is worth trading 6 days.......and it is all very well saying that more people will go into the Market hall if it is open, but they won't necessarily buy anything. In these days of financial constraints, there is only so much money about....opening for another day only spreads that money thinner....reducing the traders profit and I can see some of them leaving rather than going bankrupt on a councils badly thought out principles/whim. |
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Don't know about the inside market but when i used to stand the outside one with another bloke called hue we sold computers and peripherals and software.
Monday market closed Tuesday quiet Wednesday closed Thursday (flea market was busy) friday very busy (pay day) Saturday very busy Sunday was dead did not sell much at all. just while on about the inside market (just to bring it back on thread) a little story one of the stalls that used to sell eggs had trays of them on the front counter the butcher that was on the next stall nicked a tray of eggs the stall holder was telling him that someone had nicked a full try of eggs but did not know how, the next day the tray of eggs was replaced all the eggs in that tray had been hard boiled the customers that came back complaining, he did see the funny side and we found it hilarious:D:D If by any chance you where one of the customers that bought them i hope you found it funny too and yes the bucher did pay for the eggs |
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maybe a dumb question , but how many of the ' new' businesses on the upper floor are actually retail ? selling products usually found on a traditional market
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As Bernie posted, they're mostly selling services. Not products.
The flagged stone floor looks great. Sadly you get to see great expanses of it, where once there were market traders. |
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there is one up yon selling products, a friends daughter has it, have called in a couple of times, both times i was the only one in it.:eek: its next to hairdressers, nice little shop, but to be honest can't see it doing a lot.
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As for the daft dream that it would be a hub of arty farty crafts people...only time will tell, but I know what I'd put my money on. |
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It's bye-bye tripe, trotters, and best beef dripping.
Hello to tarot cards, gel nails, and Indian head massage. |
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I feel so sorry for the traders in the market hall, and on the outside market, they are trying hard to make a living.
My great worry is that when Tesco opens it will be the beginning of the end of Accrington as a once great market town. |
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You silly nit. As penance you can go and spend your lunch break with the lady, who's residency is funded from the public purse. Have you got the balls? If not, I believe she has spare balls of wool. :D |
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As I said in the Palladium thread - that building could house an old style market.
Jaysay pointed out that it could not legally be called a 'market', but if named 'meerkat' we would all know what it is :D |
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I'm afraid you'll have to shut the shop then. Now grab your hook, and go and make a wooly caterpillar, to hang up in the Market Hall. Mind you don't get knotted. ;) :D |
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what was with the balloons in the cafe today? someone celebrating something?
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'sorry you're leaving' to all the customers who don't want to darken the market halls doorstep ever again :D
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On our sojourns into East Lancs, the Land of Accy featured prominently & as tourists we did the touristy bits. The Market Hall featured & I was saddened to see how empty & bare it all looked, it appears the traders are having a tough old time of it & forcing their hand can only make it harder for them to earn a crust.
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Have the courage of your convictions..... |
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My convictions are in a sound stable condition thanks:rolleyes: |
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I'll be down with my Brasso tomorrow . |
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I've just had a belter of a letter in my correspondence from HBC.
A gentleman from Burnley has written to me about my letter in the Lancashire Telegraph and enclosed copies of emails he has had from the council regarding opening his curry stall in the refurbished Market Hall. Cllr Haworth didn't bother to reply directly but one of the officers handled the grim duty of telling Mr Thomson that there is no need for any more stalls selling out hot food and that the electrical system might not take the power upload of his food heaters in any case. I have just spoken to Mr Thomson and wished him well with other markets but does anyone else wonder whether Cllrs Britcliffe and Haworth might possibly not be the best people in charge? What a bloody farce. National recognition for curry entrepreneur - Todmorden News |
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I think 'Curried Away' is on the outdoor market in Toddy, not the indoor one. The last thing Accy Market Hall needs is something like this stinking the place out (and that goes for any fast food joint, be it Curry, Burgers, Kebabs or Pizzas).
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He's just told me that he'd happily go on the outdoor market but Marlene Haworth didn't even bother to reply to his last e-mail.
Not exactly filling me with confidence that they're encouraging new traders to full effect.... |
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The traders were given a letter yesterday informing them of the start date of 6 day trading. Since full council has been cancelled this evening there will be no opportunity now to change this, it is being rammed through by Britcliffe's cabinet.
The final insult to the market traders is a sentence informing them that anyone can pitch an outdoor stall for just £2.50 per day. I'm sure that's gone down very well with the stallholder who has just seen rent go past the £22k per annum mark. |
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'Amyl nitrate is stronger than butyl nitrate. In the UK, butyl is used more than amyl. The drug was initially prescribed as medication for heart conditions such as angina, but is rarely used for this purpose nowadays.'
Poppers - Thesite.org 'In the United Kingdom, poppers are widely available and frequently (legally[51]) sold in gay clubs/bars, sex shops, drug paraphernalia head shops, over the Internet and on markets' Poppers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia As they are, in Accrington's Market Hall. Openly, and as 'poppers', and to youngsters, as I witnessed this afternoon. Perhaps the cabinet member for markets on H.B.C., Cllr. Marlene Haworth would find her time more usefully spent if she knew what she was allowing to be sold in Accrington's historic Market Hall. Rather than ride rough shod over the majority of the market traders' wishes, and go against over a century's worth of tradition, and force the traders to open, and work a six day week. |
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In a few months when it's empty there will be nothing dodgy being sold at all. Problem solved. |
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...then again, drugs like poppers, and other drugs paraphernalia, are perhaps the arty, farty stalls that they wished to see, and which would increase the foot fall.
Though druggies generally shuffle, rather than make an actual footstep. |
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Is there a large gay presence in Hyndburn? |
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Perhaps using public funds to pay an old biddy in there, crocheting caterpillars to hang from the ceiling, is designed to give those high as a kite, something 'cool, and way out' to focus on, whilst on their buying trips to the Market Hall.
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Champion of gay community 'ranted' at Asian shopworker (From Blackburn Citizen) But apparently he lives in Manchester, and after he was accused of being racist, he seems to have dropped his plans for a Gay Pride in Accrington. :rolleyes: |
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Now you can openly buy amyl nitrate in Accrington, perhaps the wag will change our sign. MARSET HALL |
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Amyl Nitrate? You can make bombs out of that stuff, quite easily. It's not the puffters we should now be worried about in the market hall, but terrorists. I wonder if the cops are aware of this? As an ancillary to this carry on, maybe Britcliffe will get some of Lancashire's finest coming through his front door at 4am, complete with balaclavas, ram hammers and Heckler-Koch semi-automatics.
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Small sidetrack I know…forgive me.
As of October the outside market will be running under a similar format every Wednesday as the present format is on Mondays , the exception being that it will only be £2.50 to rent a stall for the day ( think they pay something like £12 on Mondays) I can only assume that the Monday traders will flip to Wednesday trading and save a tenner. This must be what they call “optimising the Markets potential” |
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Staff wise there are 3 porters in on Wednesdays at present, no office staff, which will have to alter. It's generally Weds and Sunday that they can properly clean the main hall, entrance doors polished (wood, glass, brasswork) toilets properly done and the floor used to be wet cleaned but we dont have a machine that will do the flagged floor now. One is being sourced. The outside market usually gets a good powerwash on a Wednesday also. |
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Accrington market gets set for six-day trade (From Lancashire Telegraph)
"Market board chairman and Chamber of Trade vice president Ian Smith said the policy was unpopular with the ‘majority of traders’" No **** Sherlock!!! :rolleyes: |
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It seems that I've made a terrible mistake about the Market Hall. If I did my homework and spent less time posting on Accy Web then maybe I wouldn't have made such a fundamental error.
I asked Cllr Marlene Haworth when wi-fi will be installed to enable traders to take internet-based card payments and move into the 21st century but her response indicates that it is already up and running. I feel such a fool, fancy not knowing about wi-fi. If any of the market traders happen to be connected to the Market Hall wi-fi system would you be kind enough to use it to post a reply? |
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Only one of you can be correct. The other one's obviously off their market trolley. We'll wait with bated breath. |
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A narcissist will never accept he is wrong.
Any failures will be blamed on others, even those who supported him in a failed venture will be attacked by him when a venture fails. He is using them as his sychophants to obtain the praise and prestige he considers is his right. Loyalty to others is not on his menu. The Market Hall may well be his 'Rubicon' unless he successfully unloads all blame on Cllr. Haworth. I have no doubt he will try. |
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Accrington market gets set for six-day trade (From Lancashire Telegraph) |
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'Neither a borrower nor a lender be.'
- Polonius |
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Wi -FI NOT! I hear such complete and utter trash at times from the powers that be. The wi -fi is not available as of today. I must say that is almost as good as the fully let Market Stalls joke. oh and the very recent one about the TRIAL period for the 6 days , when it is built into the new Markets Regulations handbook ,which is linked to the new leases and states 6 days 9-5.very amusing!
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Refurbishment or no refurbishment , has the Market Hall a future ?
Both the market hall and the outside market have been in decline over recent years . Who's to blame ? People like me . I go in the market hall to get my pipe tobacco , and the outside market for eggs , and sometimes fruit . The rest of my shopping is done mostly at Asda . That's the trend today . I would love to see the corner shops return , and the market to flourish . But the corner shops ( bakers , butchers , grocers , fruiterers , iron mongers etc. ) have nearly all gone , because of private transport and the convenience of buying everything in the supermarket under one roof . I can't see the market being able to compete with this modern way of shopping . Mistakes made by the Council may speed the markets decline , but I think the decline was inevitable anyway . I regret this . I much preferred the way of shopping a few decades ago , but lack of local shops and the convenience of the supermarket have changed my habits . So don't put all the blame on councillors , for people like me are mostly to blame . |
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Ok. First drugs are being sold to children in there, now this. Still, the Christmas dressing up as a Victorian Mary Ellen, is fun for them. |
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Just as Accy was, until people came along, with their so called 'improvements'. Even Toy Town Clitheroe has a busier market than we have now. Nothing to do with changing shopping habits. More down to idiocy. The outdoor market makes you want to weep, for what they've brought about...in the name of 'progress'. |
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Wi-Fi is not available or provided by HBC through the Market Hall, however individual traders have sourced their own and pay for it, or atleast we did before the refurbishments. Having moved locations and tried to get connected again at our own cost, we were told by the internet provider that the existing telephone cable that was used by us had been cut by the builders and they were unable to connect us. We rely heavily on the internet for repairing and flashing mobile phones which we now have to take away to get repaired.
We have been promised that our shutter will get repaired as they did not replace it with an electronic one as they should have done for a like for like and it takes two people to lift up the shutter every morning (Health & Safety issue). |
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The council might not be looking after traders' best interests, but be assured your customers are behind you, 100%. It's peoples' lives, and their families livlihoods, they are experimenting with. If people want to open 24/7, and someone will pay the extra costs, fine. Forcing people to open, is wrong, and will probably toll the death knell for many long founded family businesses in the Market Hall. Good luck. We're behind you. |
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The Market Hall is clearly something of a hot potato and obviously far beyond the understanding of an opposition councillor such as myself. It doesn't help that I don't do my homework, as I was told quite forcefully by Cllr Haworth yesterday.
If you have a query, why not bring it up with the Cabinet and Portfolio Holder for Finance, Asset Management and Markets? [email protected] However, it did come as some surprise to us all yesterday to find that Finance and Asset Management have seemingly been given to Cllr Dobson for some reason. |
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Anyone know what happened to the figures that were on top of the market on the Peel St.side ?
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The Local Herald Sept10Hyndburn
Dont know if you will be able to see that. But oh my goodness!! Units to let????? So why are they turning people away & telling folk that all the units are let?! |
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Having read the link, and seen the advert, is it right that the Council, who own the building, are not the letting agents? |
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Oh dear, oh dear.
This is very definitely at odds with what Cllr Clare Pritchard and myself have been told by Cllr Haworth. She said she has them queueing up to get a stall in the Market Hall so why are we wasting advertising money on this? It also strikes me a rather odd that we are paying for Quarterbridge as project managers (something which I have still not had the costings through for) and yet HBC are helping them to organise the things that they are being paid to do and indeed should have done months ago. Time for a few more questions to be raised with the Portfolio holder, I think. |
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I have a question for you Ken.
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In fairness on that point, there was only so much they could do as large parts of the building cannot be altered too far. |
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the only problem with Andy Morris is, he is says one thing and does another ,maybe he is a councillor where he lives in Royal Barkshire! The thing is even he has said wednesdays 6 days trading would not work , not that he would ever admit it to anyone , but I know what he said first hand. It's time Quaterbridge were pulled out and the money it must be costing to keep them could be used to better means within the market and towns. I wiah the traders had that much time and money to faf about ! Thers goes my blood pressur up again ! :)
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Ken is quite correct,disabled access is via the lift . It is just at the side of the waste of money plaque on the right hand side , as you come in from Blackburn Road. Near the Cafes. The Balconys is a little tight on the right as you look from the clock, it is only just a fit ! Do visit as it is a lovely if you have not been up before
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