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I'm sure i read a post on this somewhere recently but i cant find it...or i may have dreampt it, anyhow i bumped into a pal in Accy this morn who had parked here for 15 mins whilst collecting a large tv from the cash converters store. When he came back he had a parking ticket...£40 paid before a certain time, otherwise £80. What are the rules and regulations for parking here, i walked past here afterwards and there is a sign close to the Town Hall saying parking restricted to loading or unloading....but it doesn't say who can load or unload.

Was he eligible to park there in order to collect goods from the store or is it just for Market Traders/Shop Owners, a large tv is quite an item to carry for any distance, which is why he parked there, as i say...he said he was only there for 15 minutes!

Best Regards - Taggy

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You're supposed to have a permit although I'm not sure how they go on when delivery drivers don't have one.

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Not sure Taggy but I think its for Market Traders only

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Does it state anywhere that its for Permit holders or Market Traders only? As i say...i havn't looked all around there but just at the side of the Town Hall was a sign stating for Loading/Unloading only...but it doesn't stipulate that its restricted to certain users, unless theres another sign somewhere else that does include this information!


Best Regards - Taggy

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Fairly sure there is a sign on the Market Hall wall, tells you who runs the scam... ermmm parking scheme. From memory it's a company from Preston

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Why didn't your mate park down Blackburn Road? There are no rules whatsoever about parking down there..he can park fully on the pavement, half way on and off or right in the middle of the road if he wants to....who cares? It's a No-Go land for cops and traffic wardens.

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Ya but there is a drawback Tealeaf, mick will be round with his camera:D

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He said the ticket was from a private company, so your probably right, apparently they weren't particularily helpful in the shop, so i assume its something that happens a lot!


Best Regards - Taggy

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i think its parkwise , theres a number on teh ticket to ring to pay and i think one to ask about disputing it

if you have looked on all the posts and walls nearby the entrance to the area and there is no sig youmay be able to argue that it isnt clearly stated not to park there/ unload

when you ring dont use teh words " i was parked there " i would say " i was collecting a delivery "

ps:

although a private company they are employed / contracted by hyndburn council so it may well be worth ringing the leader of teh council if you get no joy with them and see if he can help


its just a pity these clown wardens never book the morons who park up on the roundabout outside teh yorkshire bank causing tailbacks

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99% certain it's not Parkwise. There is definatley a sign somewhere.

Even I got warned once because I had been issued the wrong colour of permit by the office :rolleyes:

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It's this company Taggy :

Wheel Clamping, Clamping, Wheel Clampers, Clampers, Wheel Clamps, ANPR, Car Park Management, Automatic Number Plate Recognition, National Clamps

Remember this ?

Labour leader ticketed while at Town Hall - News - Accrington Observer

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Ah yes Kate i do now, thought i heard something about this before, i guess he'll just have to swallow this and pay his fine then!

Best Regards - Taggy

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I presume he mentioned to the staff in the shop he was going to get his car. Would have helped if they had told him first.

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Think he said he just parked up and went to the shop to get his tv...he said he went back to shop after he got the ticket to ask about it, but staff didnt want to know!


Best Regards - Taggy

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The more I hear of these shopping problems, the more I think that people will shop on line and get free or nominal delivery charges. It is much less hassle.

Maybe if parking was easier the town centre wouldn't be dying.

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i agree wi margaret as regards parking, its a poor do if ya can't stop to pick up goods purchased from that shop, not as if yer blocking a main road:( oh forgot thats allowed.:eek: ya cant park well away if ya got summat heavy or cumbersome from a shop. think the council would do well to get on to these ******* that are booking shoppers fer this.

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seems to me a town center shop selling "bulky" goods should either have validated parking spots nearby or offer free same day delivery ... just good business sense

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Don't think those guys across the pond are big on "good business sense";) ... we'll both take the heat on this one:D ... I know that if I buy a bulky item at the local Walmart, some underpaid kid will lug it to my car for me.

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:D yep , grocery baggers and 'customer service personnel' (high school kids) earn a minimum wage of $8 an hour in California for after school and Saturday jobs , that plus a $5 tip 3 or 4 times an hour for loading and tying down a couple of sheets of plywood and a couple of 2 X 4s or a few bags of cement at the local Home Depot teachs the kids the value of money and hard work .
And no its not exploitation of the precious little darlings , most are on the local high school football team (built like the proverbial brick out-houses) and have never missed a meal in their life :D

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Have either of you any idea of the area of Britain and it’s population? That many town where here long before the Americas where discovered and are restricted.

And have you not formed an opinion that sense in the form of common sense no longer lives here?

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So whats your complaint ? .... I can remember buying a Gas oven and Gas Fire from the "gas showroom" ( top of Broadway near Whalley Rd.) do you think I carted them home on the childrens pram, no they were delivered the next day ......if a town center "white goods" shop could offer this service 40 years ago whats the problem today ?
Do you think that the folks who shop on Deansgate in Manchester or Oxford St. in London go there to buy and lug home 'bulk' goods or groceries , no they go 'into town' to spend disposible income and they buy the neccesities (food) at shopping parks ,places where they can park up without having the problem of lugging stuffed shopping bags miles . :confused:

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I think that both of us have lots of ideas ... some of them geographical, and some historical .... but once in a while, a guy's just gotta have fun:rolleyes:

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White man speak with forked tongue.

As both were born, raised, and also educated here, I presume they could both probably have a fairly good stab at guessing the population of the U.K., and their comparissons to other urban shopping areas in the world, shouldn't be so readily dismissed.

Since the year 1492 A.D., many of the problems we have are down to poor town planning, and policy decisions implemented by our councils. They are the ones who are forever changing the layouts of our town centres, and are the ones who decide the policy on parking, and they decide whether to employ rather overzealous private firms, to fine those who are trying to pick up their purchases from town centre stores.

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moral of teh story is stay away from accrington town center when buying heavy goods and shop on industrial estates out of town where adequate parking with no risk of fines is available until our halfwitted lot down at the council realise that people dont want to be dragging a large item like a TV accross town to the carpark

with teh cost of this tv and teh fine i dare say a new item could have been purchased

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Even the out of town superstores usually ask you if you want a hand to lug said large goods to the car :rolleyes:. Maybe there's more than one problem in this thread ;)

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Do you mean that if I got a T shirt from your shop dave you'd help me to the car with it, I'm XX large:rolleyes::D

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if there was a 10 min pickup zone then yes it wouldnt be too much to ask a shop assistant for a lift to teh car with a large item but to expect them to stop work and lump it half way across town is a bit much lol

i certainly wouldnt do it :)

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We advise our customers where to park, and we deliver too :D

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Oh yes I forgot that dave, glad to see you've carried on delivering even though you have now expanded:D

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Yep...some service industry workers certainly dont really seem to enjoy supplying that service and will do the bare minimum that they can get away with!


Best Regards - Taggy

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I see, a bilateral alliance from the colonials over the water gangin' up on us poor Brits :D:D just cos we don't have drive thru supermarkets !! young upstarts ! show some respect for your elders (here I would add betters, but that'd be rather over egging it a tad :D)

post refers to pos 17+18 Damned uppity Colonials :D

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i prefer not to take advice on deliveries etc from a nation that emptys a truck by reversing realy fast and slamming on the brakes :D

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As opposed to you guys, who drive forwards really fast and then slam on the brakes:D

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What breaks:D

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NO,NO,NO, you've got it all wrong :) that's not deliveries, that's shopping is that, I do believe the technical term is "Ram raiding" :D :D

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no no the going forward without applying breaks method of ram raiding is a totaly differnt concept of ram raiding usualy used in yorkshire or wales :eek:

going backwards without applying breaks is teh method of ramraiding used on shops elsewhere :)

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Incidentally this form of shopping once frequently carried out in my Home town of Liverpool, was also a resounding "Smash" in other major Metropoli, such as Manchester, Newcastle & I do believe as far as the Home Counties, so before you start it isn't a Northern thing (although we excelled).

Usually compared to a local Supermarket Trolly Dash (the trolly this time having a motor & a rather large stowage area) was often used for an upcoming Wedding celebration.

Firstly The Jewellers to pick up the rings & various other trinkets & baubles (mainly to keep the Brides family from reporting you to the Coppers). Then on to the Offy to collect the Booze for the "Wedding Do" not forgetting Auntie Mabels' 200 Superkings. Then the final leg at "Curries" or "Dixons" or any other suitable ground floor Electricals shop to get the Wedding presents, quality not really being an issue here more quantity ! any duplicates could be conveniently shifted down the Dock road Flea market come Sunday. ;) :D

To any Scousers out there that may take umbrage, don't I'm one of youse & I don't take myself seriously, so neither should you. That's what makes us Scousers. "Wers yer sens a yumer !"

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I have only used Cash Converters once and rang first to see if they were interested in my PC. It was 9 months old high spec with Wi Fi two DVD writers, one was Lightscribe, a wireless mouse and keyboard plus 22inch flat screen monitor.
I tell you this so you will understand that I had a lot to unload.

The guy who answered the phone told me to park next to the back door, go to the front desk and get a parking permit put in my windsceen and then he would meet me at the back door and carry the PC inside, he spent twenty minutes checking it over and then paid me and I went back to my car.
A traffic warden ( or whatever they want to be called) was just walking away from my car and never said a word so I think a phone call or walk in from where you are legally parked in advance of delivering bulky goods is advisable.

Gremlin R.T.

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I try to shop in Accrington as often as I can to support it and am impressed with the way the mulit-storey carpark is free. There don't seem to be many major stores there, despite the available room. Does anyone know why this is?

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Simple really, it has to be viable :)

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I was hoping for a less nebulous answer! Has it gradually declined or has it always been a little sparse? It just seems odd to see big hitters like W H Smith nestled with a load of independent traders. The infrastructure seems to be there with a well laid out shopping centre, good parking facilities, a market and plenty of places to eat and drink. Just seems a shame that there isn't more there to draw people in.

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When it first opend there were quite a lot of big names in the shops ie Curries, Mothercare, think there was a Comet as well plus umpteen others. But then they moved out of town to the retail parks that were purpose built so now we have all thise empty units.

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That's a real shame. I would have thought that there could have been incentives from the council for traders to move into empty shops rather than have it looking as it does currently. It's crying out for an HMV or Virgin store and how about a Works bookshop? Surely cheap rents would be better than leaving empty units.

Any thoughts anyone?

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You're clearly not the leader of the council in disguise with sensible comments like that :D

Think most of the shops in the Arndale are Nationals. Independents like us couldn't afford a days rent in there never mind long term :(

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Definitely not. I'll stay where I am, thank you.

It staggers me that the endemic attitude towards low revenues is to make those who are making a success of their businesses pay more rather than trying to attract new blood with lower costs. A shopping centre full of tax-paying businesses has got to be better all round than half of them paying half-tax. Better for the community, better for businesses and better for the council. Everybody wins.

Still, we've got a problem of our own with HSBC at the moment. Making a profit, but not enough of a profit so it has to go. Very sad.

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Sums it up perfectly, really. Accy has everything in place to make it a thriving little centre, including the Victorian market and town halls which many other towns unwisely demolished in the modernising mania of the 60's. Add to that the superb, but neglected arcade and the quaint charm of the Warner Street area and you have a town centre with quite a lot of potential. Sadly, that potential has been squandered, thanks to the sheer stupidity of the council. :(

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So how do you convince someone like me to go into Accy and not go to Asda/Tesco and the retail parks when I go shopping?

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Variety of shops, none, or very few closed, some entertainment activity particularly for the children, a good clean well regulated market - indoor and outdoor, some decent cafes, indoors and out - the outside ones where people can smoke. I really is not quantum physics or brain surgery>

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You're never going to stop people going to the retail parks and the supermarkets - that's a fact of life. But you could make the town centre a more attractive place for other types of shopping by offering tax breaks on empty properties. Perhaps more specialist and unusual businesses could be encouraged to move into the Arcade/Warner Street area, making it more attractive for browsers. I know these ideas have been floated before, but no one ever seems to do anything about it!

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You can park anywhere you want ............sorry its a poor photo was on a moving bus at the time of taking this:D

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Could offer you a free pint in the Railway if proved you had purchased something ... :D

Don't want browsers Wynonie .. need buyers.

Never going to happen, but groups of shops selling the same type of goods always attracts .. for example, a textile/fashion/hand crafted furniture/jewellery Victorian Arcade so that people seeking these type of goods would have lots of shops offering all one type of goods within a short distance ... Ok.. pipe dream.

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Did you put that into the competition?

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I will remind you of that :D

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nope i already have my limit on the comp:D

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LOL .. meant HBC could of course ... darn it !

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can see it now .. katex thinking i'll go and see how the researchers are going on .. she walks in .. mick digs deep into his carrier bag and pulls out 1/4 roast ham .. see i bought something .. wheres my pint? .. less digs deep into his pocket .. pulls out a packet of fag papers ... see i bought something wheres my pint .... etc ... gets their pints ... drinks em .. mick .. see i bought 5lb of spuds .. wheres my pint .. less digs deep into his pocket .. see i bought some baccy ... wheres my pint ... you get the picture ...:D:D:D

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:D:D .. OK .. got that Shill .. just throwing in ideas like. Better throw it out though.

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Has anyone actually put this to any of the councillors in Accrington for discussion?

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The arcade we have, which was once a great place to see different things has now been dragged so far down it's lower than the gutter :(

A taxi office at the end, 2 shops converted in to what can best be described as a scrapyard for washing machines. No wonder the fancy dress shop closed down, and the little antique shop in the corner is closing. The cafe in there must be pulling their hair out, it's like a rose surrounded by thorns. Still I'm sure they can find a couple of bookies to move in :rolleyes:

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Business rates on empty properties is charged at 100% after 6 months.

I remember when that came into force and we witnessed many fires in empty commercial premises - so much so that the fire increase was markedly notable. (Premises without roofs are not taxable)

The owners of the Arndale centre are at the mercy of the council who set the level of business rates.There will come a time when the rents they receive from actively let properties is cancelled out by the business rates paid out on the empty units.

When that happens the Arndale will be making a loss - will close - and will need to be demolished by the owners in order to cut their losses.