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:tongueout:tongueout:tongueout:tongueout

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well at least it was screenshots and not photos :D

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Is this the end of freedom of speech ??.. :rolleyes:

Please feel free to introduce yourself Bob in the correct forum and tell us all about yourself .. :D:D

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See you in court.

You might also want to sue the wonderful world wide web, because all the information in this thread is freely available to the public there, on sites you're associated with.

There's been nothing defamatory. Only the vast majority of people expessing our opinions that you came to our town with an agenda, wasted our police officer's time, and are a prat.

Expressing an opinion isn't actually a criminal offence...at least not in our universe.

By the way, your snaps are naff. That's also a fact, so you haven't a leg to stand on there either.

Keep smiling, as you never know who's watching you, and ready to capture your image for posterity.

Say cheese.

:camera8:

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Hopefully your soliciter will sit you down, and then quietly inform you that the term is defamation.

Your character was obviously deformed well before your visit to our town.

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I think if he asks us anything, best say no comment.

As is our legal right.

Noncooperation is our best defence.

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Just checked, and strangely he hasn't bothered to join and post on this site.

Good example of how to speak to the police - Nationalists Online

Perhaps he's not issuing threats to the neo-Nazis because they are saying nice things about him, unlike the vast majority of members of Accy Web, and therefore he doesn't feel his character has been defamed.

Odd that.

:rolleyes:

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Having read the whole thread again, I wish you the best of British luck, becuse no legal crime has been committed here, if you care to read what was actually posted, and how it was said.

Still, at least we can take pleasure in the fact that you'll have to pay your soliciter to find out this information from him/her.

Your's etc.,
Garinda Queen's Counsel.

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One last point, only the other day some one mentioned CCTV Cameras going up in the area, & people were pleased about it ! Why ? these are more insidious & invasive than the Divvy taking the photos in the Town. Yet because it's done by the State/Council it's acceptable ? Your images from these are stored & shared throughout various agencies to use as they see fit.

Under what reason are these CCTV Cameras placed & activated ? Anti-Terrorism, Anti social behaviour, to stop people who are acting suspiciously ? al reasons cited by the police to the Divvy with the Camera why he SHOULDN'T be taking Photographs ! Yet this duplicity you'll gladly accept from the State! as I said "open your eyes" & take a good hard look around.

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OK. I've slept on it and I've decided that I'd much rather deal with this another way. I'm very happy for you to continue with your speculations and discussion, but please keep in mind that you will likely never know what really happened. In a situation like this, people and organizations will use words to attack and discredit as a form of defense.

Instead of conflict, I'm more interested in resolution and friendship, so that is what I offer to all.

I won't judge you, as I really know nothing about you, apart from what you have posted here, as you know nothing about me, other than what you have deduced from various sources. I won't mock you or try and make you look bad as, there is no room in me for that kind of negativity.

So, I truly wish to send you all my very best and hope that, when you look back upon your life, you are happy that you lived in honor and you treated others how you wished to be treated yourself.

With honesty, integrity & love.
Bob Patefield.

:iloveyou:

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Well thats a relief, never slept was crapping meself.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Respect for that.

People will always have differing opinions on any matter. Such is life.

Though the hand of friendship will always be more welcomed than what seem liked threats, so welcome to Accy Web.

:)

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Perhaps if Portugal had as many CCTV cameras as Britain, Madeline McCann would be at home with her family right now.

CCTV cameras were certainly a useful tool in bringing to justice the killers of poor Jamie Bulger.

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Hell cashy you and Me alike mate, now maybe Bob will bob of and leaves us alone:D

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Agreed in these instances they were useful, but in many other cases they're of no practical use.

http://www.no-cctv.org.uk/case_against.asp

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Well if CCTV results in just one small child being saved from harm, it's a price I'm very willing to pay.

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Spot on Rindi, there is no need to fear CCTV if you keep your nose clean

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its ok putting cameras up they do what they are put there to do it is the lack of willingness to punish the scum once caught in court that proves to not be a deterrent.Its ok capturing and recording evidence but it is no good if the evidence gathered isnt acted upon properly by judge.A criminal isnt going to worry about been caught on cctv if he knows the courts wont punish him propperly.

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thats a fair point, am all fer cctv, but it must do the job it is required to do,

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i know somone who works in a police comunications center and i can assure you not only have a lot of criminals been aprehended thanks to cctv but also a lot of people who go missing are found like children or elderly people who go wandering and even people with mental health issues who get lost thanks to cctv

cctv more than justifys its self in my opinion theres more positives to having cctv than negatives

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And maybe if her parents hadn't gone off & left her alone !

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Your quote of mine referred to any child being kept safe.

There are plenty of other threads if you wish to discuss Madeline McCann, if you'd care to take the time to search for them.

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genuine mistake I clicked onto the wrong box.Yes CCTV has some valid points in the right place, but equally there are also negative sides to it & for the numbers of CCTV cameras in UK their siting can seem to be more about control than safety.

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The only people that CCTV cameras in town centers are useful to are the police.

THey are the only ones that get the pictures & can do something with them.

If you are in need of the video etc, perhaps because you have been wronged somehow then you do not get a look in at all.

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Does 'wronged somehow' equate to a crime?

If not, of course film shouldn't be made available, and released to every Tom, Dick and Harry who requests to watch it.

However if a crime has been committed, the police will have CCTV film at their disposal, in the event of it containing any useful evidence.

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Sadly this 'story' features on the front page of this weekend's Observer, with poor Bob Patefield painted as the innocent victim, arrested in the police state that is also known as Accrington town centre.

So much for investigative journalism.

The innocent victim story has been well and truly buried, without the need for us all to appear in court.

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Will you be pointing that out to them in one of your infamous letters?

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Two, twenty odd years apart, hardly makes them infamous.

No, by the time they go to print, some news is old news.

;)

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I got an interesting phone call today. Anyone can pm me for details. ;D

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Have you been called as a witness?

What are you going to wear?

Have you got a date for the trial?

Depending on when it is, season wise, will depend if you should wear a hat.

Let's talk colours.

:D

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How do you describe a heavy breather in a PM?
....the one you had a while ago:eek: - is he back?:eek:

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I was in court when he got sent down for 4 years - that was before he appealed so probably got a slap on the wrists

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How long did you get?:D

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Not me - she does not report my phone calls :D

It was the same bloke who phoned here a few times. Police actually caught him in a phone box in the middle of an abusive call. There is a thread about it somewhere.

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No she just tells your wife and she smacks you round the head, or in other words team work:D:p

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Damn, his site seems to have been closed down, and it had his address listed.

Happily I made note of it, so will use the freedoms we have, which he fights for so vehemently, to have a nosey at his gaff on Google Street View, as is my democratic right.

He shouldn't have a problem with Google photographing his property. After all he happily sticks a camera in other people's faces, sometimes from behind his back, and without their consent or permission.

:rofl38::camera8::rofl38::camera8::rofl38:

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Noticed another letter in the Observer supporting this plank's case ... only around the corner from me ... feel like knocking on her door and laying down a few facts about our Bob !!

Not one word preceding this article of anyone understanding the truth of this matter .. not even the Observer, and we just know they will have read this thread don't we. :mad: Thought was a great opportunity for a reporter .. there again, that is the difference between local reporters and stepping up into the national reporting level. Digging up the dirt is more newsworthy .. but they don't seem to understand this.

Would have written to the Observer myself Garinda ... just felt was your shout though.

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I was sorely tempted.

I was put off after they didn't print a letter about Logan standing in the General Election. Still, publishing the letter on here instead, probably reached a wider circulation, and illicited a response from the holy man himself.

I've just read this week's 'star letter' regarding the 'freedom fighter', 'innocent' Bob Patefield.

Obviously the few journalists left at the Observer don't read Accy Web. Otherwise they'd know this man did have an agenda that day, and that was to provoke our police into confonting him, just as the 'terrorist style' videos on the website of Tír Na Saor - Freemen of Ireland, of which he's a member, show you how to make happen, by acting provocatively, and refusing to co-operate when questioned by the police.

If you feel the need to readdress the reality of the situation Katex, be my guest.

(If you're lucky enough to be the star letter writer, I would willingly celebrate with you again over lunch.)

:D

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They are arsey about it, years ago I was doing a project when I was at Accy college. The police and the community wardens weren't to happy about us playing with disposable cameras in the centre.

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Since the story broke, about Accrington being a 'police state', and it was reported both nationally, and internationally, any young hack wanting to make a name for him or herself, could have used the information revealed in this thread, to give a true account of this man, and his intentions.

An opportunity wasted.

In the meantime we have to put up with soft saps writing to the local press, about the mistreatment of innocent happy snappers.

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Rindy the prize for the star letter is now a £25 voucher for Ossie Mills .. :D:D:D

I read that letter and first thoughts were i wonder if the writer of the letter is connected in anyway to him and if she had by any chance seen this thread ..

Wonder if a letter into accy observer saying if they want an unbiased view re the photo taking in accy town centre .. to have a look on accringtonweb.com .. :D:D:D

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Where you can have lunch.

;):D

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How I long for the days of local reporters who actually cared about this area, People Like Margaret Cheeseborough, and Janet Woolley, and Mervyn was a first class editor

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I'm not going to criticise individual local journalists, as I think the fact that they're so widely spread, puts them in a difficult situation, with regards to investing time spent on uncovering scoops.

However I do think ignoring the information in this thread, which could have blown holes in a nationally and internationally reported story, was a missed oportunity, for someone to make their mark in what's become a very hard industry to work in.

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I can see your point Rindi, but not too long ago the local reporters didn't have Accy Web, but still managed to find interesting local stories, through their contacts, its not that long ago the Mervyn used to ring me at home asking if I had heard about something going on in Ossy, and was able to point him in the right direction. In those days Observer reporters got up off their backsides and went out into the community looking for stories, not sitting at the end of a phone hopping for it to ring

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Though sadly, along with the office in the town being closed, their numbers have been cut, and the areas covered increased.

No reflection on any one individual, just a reflecton of the changes in the printed news media industry.

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The wife works at a nursing home in ossy, last Sunday one of the residents who was 95 had to get ready to go to her elder sisters birthday party who lives in the same home she was 100
The nursing home rang the observer to come and take some photos they declined saying if you want photos in the paper you have to send them in yourself.
great journalism or what

And just as a foot note looking round the shops for a decent birthday card for a 100 year old is not easy i went into one shop but they said they don't do them over 90 years old
another shop had one card it was plain with 100 on not a lot of choice another had 2 that's about it

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Have been told the same thing, when trying to get photographs of the local Parkinson's support group in the paper. Happily they were published, when we sent them in.

With the rise of people accessing the news on the internet, and falling circulations for printed newspapers, which mean staffing costs are cut, the future doesn't look too bright for many traditional publications.

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And we are the losers Rindi

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I think democracy will be the loser, with local politicans being less accountable for their actions, because the fewer journalists we have won't have the time to devote to important issues.

You can't halt progress.

People now expect their news to be delivered almost immediately, and not wait for it to be printed, and posted through their letterbox.

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Not everybody thinks it progress though Rindi

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It isn't going to change.

People expect everything delivered immediately, from groceries, to their news.

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How long do you think it will be until most if not all online newspapers will not be free?

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Not long Neil .. moves going on now ... don't think the Observer have too much to worry about though ... only gave us the basic stories, which good on 'em.

Same with most events now .. as in our AmDrams ... send in a rehearsal photo, crit (by independent), and we will consider and publish if we have room. Not much different really to what they did in the past. Can see the sense of all this ... cuts costs and most people now have access to digital, e-mails and at least an opportunity to get names correct and a flattering photograph.

Let's face it .. we are a much richer society that can afford more social events ... hen/stag parties/anniversary parties/christening parties/graduation balls, etc., etc., etc. We are a spoilt society no matter how much you grumble.

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Murdoch is trying it with a couple of his US papers, but I think its too late now , the quality of most newspapers has dropped too much over the last few years that even if paid subscriptions become the future most of the 'laid-off' journalists who were any good have moved onto other things.
I don't believe any monies raised by subscription will be passed on to improving the quality of the product but will end up being used to either pay dividends or erase red ink .

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Again, like Katex said, not long.

That's certainly the plan for many newagencies, and some have already started.

The only trouble is most people won't pay, and I think there'll always be someone willing to publish the news free on the internet, and fill the gap.

You'll miss out on columnists and editorial opinion, but it'll be easy for others to print basic news stories, at no cost to the reader.

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Should the BBC News web site was shut down as it destroys competition for news companies?

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That is highly unlikely to happen, being funded as it is, and subsidised by the licence fee. It doesn't have to compete in the market place, in the same way as wholly commercial companies.

We live in a free market economy, and the newagencies who want to protect their companies, may try and charge viewers who wish to read their news.

However, as stated earlier, I think the vast majority of people, who so far have not had to pay to do this, will use other sources, who will carry the news for free.

It's not my opinion, it's a fact. Most newspapers, and many other printed periodicals, are suffering greatly reduced circulation figures. This has resulted in loss of revenue from advertisers, which makes up a great percentage of the income for the printed media industry, just as it does for commercial television, who are experiencing similarly heavy losses of revenue for advertising sales. Companies are diverting their budgets to other avenues, including online ones, which have ever increasing traffic.

Personally I love reading newspapers.

Sunday morning without them spread all over the floor, would not be the same without them.

I think they will continue for quite some time, but not in the numbers we once knew.

We live in rapidly changing times. Some of it good, some not so good.

There's really no way to halt progress, as the Luddites eventually found out to their cost.

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According to the bbc review the bbc website is being cut back ..

BBC News - At a glance: 'Leaked' BBC review

WEBSITE
The BBC's website will be halved by 2013 and have its staff and budget reduced by 25 per cent, if measures included in the alleged review are acted upon.
Links to rival companies' websites will become a feature of every page in an attempt to lessen the BBC's impact on commercial alternatives.
Torin Douglas writes: Critics say the BBC website has "grown like Topsy" without a clear overall strategy, damaging the online prospects of commercial broadcasters and publishers.
By cutting it back, the BBC hopes to focus more clearly on priority areas such as the BBC News site.

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'Profits at Trinity Mirror sank 41% last year as the severe economic downturn hit advertising revenues.'
BBC News - Trinity Mirror profits hit by advertising downturn

The Trinity Mirror group own the Accrington Observer.

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all news is just heresay until it is proved.. newspapers are at least 8 hours ago news..the worry is that all the "news" we get from t'internet can be made up.. but then the press have been doing the same thing for years.

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The reason some newspapers are struggling is because the economic down turn caused advertisers to reduce what they were spending on advertisements.

I would say almost all the profit in many newspapers is from advertisers.

This page talks about circulation figures.

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Nationally the circulation of UK newpapers is downwards, as seen in the graph showing ten year sales.

Looking at longer term figures, from when sales peaked in the fifties and sixties, the decline in sales is even steeper.

UK daily newspaper circulation and recent Barb TV figures | RAAK

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'The latest newspaper circulation figures are in. While the Daily Mail continues its unstoppable march through middle England (with a small year-on-year rise in sales in December), the daily and Sunday editions of the Star are the only other national newspapers who are growing their audience.
Even the Sun, which threw a 20p cover price into the mix, was down 1.25% on December 2008, while the Mirror took a -9.01% smack in the chops.
The 'quality' dailies - the Times, Guardian, Telegraph and Financial Times - saw sales fall by 13.22%, 12.38%, 9.37% and 6.46% respectively. It's clear that Britons of all backgrounds just aren't buying as many newspapers.
Which means the old business model of highly sought-after advertising slots being sold at a premium is creaking.
People are consuming their news online, on TV and, increasingly, on handheld devices, but the mud in the eye isn't the news consumption, it's the ad consumption. Local papers have lost their classified advertisers to eBay and national newspapers are now competing with almost every digital device.'
Is the writing on the wall for newspapers? - Â*Markets - MSN Money UK

I'm not celebrating the fact that people are obviously buying less newspapers, but the evidence is fairly clear and factual, especially when circulation figures are viewed over a number of decades, rather than months.

Thirty years ago nearly everyone I knew in the area had the daily Lancashire Evening Telegraph delivered six nights a week. I only know one person who has it delivered today.

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The only thing is Newspapers are governed by quite strict libel laws Mancie, the internet is not, yet:rolleyes:

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I stopped having it delivered nearly 2 year ago Kate, in fact the only papers I get now are on Sunday, and they are not delivered, I sometimes get the Observer if my Daughter brings one when she visits at weekends

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Thanks for sharing that, Margaret.

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:D its your flaming Avatar Rindi:rolleyes: sorry for the insult Kate:D

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:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: I wish you lot would learn how to quote:rolleyes:

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Why its more fun this way flashy:D

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I can.

Jaysay quoted me, and then called me Kate.

Keep your neb out anyway, Bernard.

:D

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Katex is more baby-doll, than Baby Jane Hudson.

Now eat your din-dins Blanche.

I've cooked you a lovely rat today.

;):D

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That was nice of you Roy:D

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If you look at "Feedback, suggestions & help" that very nice Mr Less did a tutorial on the 17/03/2010 which helped me :D :D

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Nice Mr Less:eek: crawler:D

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Always been good to me so far :) unlike some others who seem to have taken some choice comments from him :D

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Give it time Dave, give it time:D

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Well how about this then ? Does it remind you of someone else ?

Officers claim they don't need law to stop photographer taking pictures - Crime, UK - The Independent

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I watched that last night, absolutely pathetic.

Yes again the Police are acting outside of their remit (and the law) and making things out to be what they are not.

:(

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'Yes again'?

You mean like Bob Patefield, the person who inspired you to start this thread?

The innocent snapper, who after a little sleuthing turns out to be a member of various Irish freedom fighting organisations, who dress up as terrorists, and advise each other how not to co-operate with the upholders of the law in this country.

Yes, again...another simpletons been suckered in by a poor innocent victimised story, brutalised, in this nasty police state we call England.

This one's after legal aid, to fight for his freedoms.

Give me strength.

Perhaps the more gullible members of Accy Web might like to start a collection for him.

Bless.

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'Mr Mattsson has been given legal advice not to talk publicly about the incident.'

A line from the article.

Err, excuse me, isn't going to the press with the story and having them post your video on line, making it pretty public?

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theres so many suckers who fall fer this crap, its not as funny any more, just pathetic.:rolleyes:

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Oh, why doesn't it suprise me he's a Twit, and revelling in his fight against the police state?

• Name Jules Mattsson
• Location London
• Bio Photojournalist, Libertarian Socialist, Avid Reader.

Jules Mattsson (julesmattsson) on Twitter

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...and here's the young numpty agreeing with parents, who think that having police go into schools, looking for knives, attacks the civil rights of their little darlings.

'Aside from noting the typically abysmal grammar – a grocers’ apostrophe and the desciption of random body searches as an ‘incentive’ rather than an ‘initiative’ – it seems the one of the major dangers here is that of having your civil liberties infringed on the basis of a (parent's language censored) argument that fundamentally misrepresents the legal authority of the Police and, especially, the school and its Headteacher.

Jules Mattsson-
RT @copwatcher: RT @libcon: School tells students to leave their civil liberties at the entrance. School tells students to leave their civil liberties at the entrance. | Liberal Conspiracy
School tells students to leave their civil liberties at the entrance. | Liberal Conspiracy

Rebel, without a friggin' clue.

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Yer being a bit harsh rindy, his supporter is from BURNLEY.:D

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Seems young Jules isn't that keen on the lads and lasses in our armed forces, as well as the police.

SHUT DOWN THE DALSTON ARMY SHOWROOM | Facebook

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Seems it takes all sorts to make the world go round, just glad I'm not on the roundabout with burks like that:mad:

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Just thought this may add to the debate !

Police U-turn on photographers and anti-terror laws - Home News, UK - The Independent

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Oh dear.

I wonder what those groups, such as the ones Bob Patefield is a member of, whose admitted intent is to antagonise and confront our police forces, will have to do now?

:rolleyes:

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They recon Tiddlywinks is good for the soul:D

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I've been a photographer for over 40 years and never once had a problem with police, public, kids, schools or anything else.

Because I do it legally and never antagonistically. And I've never had a problem getting the shot I want other than through a lack of talent!

Some people seem to think that they need to make a "statement" rather than take a photo.

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Very well said.

For some photography is just a tool, whose sole agenda is to provoke confrontation with authority.

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I think the last two posts have put the record straight