Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 968116)

I think your talking rot! I can't even be bothered answering you! You can't have a decent debate just attack me personally which is fact, like Garinda. I know a lot more about it Anne Singleton as I've seen it ,I survived it! The issue is there are a lot of stupid families out there. Again it's the same argument - do we ban cars because 1% of drivers knock children over and kill them!

Maybe you ought to look at television and it's negative impact on the minds of kids i.e. TV programs such as "Shameless" which for the last 10 years have been glamorising criminality and drug dealing and so on also all these music video's with the likes of Gangster Rap and other "cool" acts glamorising criminal behaviour which a lot of these youth gangs listen to!

Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 968151)

I don't think Shameless is glamorous though.

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 866952)

Professor Davie Nutt - The former government adviser on drugs explains why his latest research named alcohol as the most dangerous drug

David Nutt: 'The government cannot think logically about drugs' | UK news | The Guardian

Which leads to the questions:

1) Should we legalise currently illegal drugs?

2) Is alcohol and tobacco more damaging than LSD and Extacy etc?:confused:4

Kestrel X

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 968154)

Heroin - Deffo not imo , i have seen the destruction it causes

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968156)

Did the people you saw, and their families, who'd had their lives destroyed by heroin, start their addiction with that drug?

Or did they start off on the slippery slope taking a 'softer' drug, cannabis say?

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968156)

Did the people you saw, and their families, who'd had their lives destroyed by heroin, start their addiction with that drug?

Or did they start off on the slippery slope taking a 'softer' drug, cannabis say?

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 968159)

Some of the people i know who got hooked on heroin had never touched cannabis

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968161)

They went straight to taking heroin, and no 'softer' drugs before that?

In all the work I've done with those effected by drugs, I've never found that to be the case.

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 968164)

I am only going off what I have seen & experienced

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968166)

Same here, and in my experience dealing with hundred of young people addicted to heroin, I never came across one user whose very first drug was heroin.

They all started off taking 'softer' drugs.

Anyone who thinks recreational drugs are totally harmless, or even glamorous, should perhaps go and work with young people who once thought the same thing.

But who now degrade themselves, and put themselves in grave danger, no longer to experience euphoria, but to have enough energy to drag themselves out of their beds and onto the streets, in order to sell their bodies, so that they can afford their next fix.

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 968171)

Thing is I know lots of people over the years that have smoked cannabis , taken extacy , speed & LSD , yet none of then have entertained hard drugs like heroin or coke , even crack .. I believe its down to individuals being weak minded & just following the crowd they get involved with

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968228)

Well yes, the majority of users usually start experimenting in their young teens, so they will be 'weak minded, and willing to follow the crowd'.

It's a fact that some of them will continue to experiment with other drugs.

As stated earlier, when you're fourteen, most youngssters can't imagine they'll ever be as old as thirty.

They're even less capable of understanding that some of them will go on to become addicted to these and other narcotics, that will ruin their lives.

I must admit I'm shocked you consider taking hallucinagenic LSD, amphetamines, and MDMA, in the same group a cannabis, which is generally considered a 'soft' drug.

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 968250)

Imo Garinda , If they know the dangers of taking a highly addictive drug that destroys everything around them including themselves , that is stupidity , selfish & yea imo weak minded.

I class speed , LSD , extacy & cannabis as recreational drugs & not hard drugs .. that's just my opinion

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 968250)

that's just my opinion

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968254)

At fourteen, or younger, the greater majority of young people don't know their arse from their elbow.

They know about safe sex, but some will choose to ignore advice, in the foolish belief that they'll never catch anything, or end up pregnant.

But some will.

If you think that taking the hallucinogencic LSD a worthwile way to spend your recreation time, do remember to open the window, before you jump out of it, and try to fly.

Glass cuts can be such a nuisance to heal.