Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 968259)

I have never heard of any one jumping from a window after taking LSD .. so dunno where you get that from

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968280)

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Well not to those with half a brain.

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 968359)

There appears to be a strong body of opinion expressed here that holds that all controlled substances are bad and should be shunned as tools of the Devil and a danger to the young and impressionable. It is hard not to concurr. But in the interest of fairness I think it should be pointed out that the issue here is the abuse of substances rather than the use of substances per se.

Abuse typically occurrs when a substance is used either to excess or in ways other than originally intended.

There is a large and growing body of evidence to suggest that Controlled substances of whatever class have good, positive and life saving properties when used in the correct context and under supervision. MDMA (Ecstacy) is finding increasing use in the treatment of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, LSD is more effective at treating the problems of Alcohol withdrawal than standard therapies. THC, the active ingredient in Cannabis is used to combat the pain associated with degenerative conditions such as Arthritis with none of the noxious side effects of anti-inflamatory drug regimes. The analgesic properties of Cocaine and its derivatives have long been known and made use of in dentristry, among other branches of medicine.

What is not addressed by this discussion, or any other discussion I have heard over the last forty years, is why our young are so attracted to court the obvious dangers of substance abuse? Why are they so impelled to seek temporary release from everyday life? What is it about the qualities of our society that they find so oppressive or restrictive that they are prepared to spend large sums of money in funding criminal enterprise for a period of respite or escape?

How have we failed our young?

And, if so many of them are so affected, often at the risk of their health and lives, what are we going to do about changing our society to make such substance abuse unecessary?

It strikes me that in reaching for the 'BANNED' stamp, we are dodging the real issues.


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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 968392)

As far as dosage is concerned, all controlled substances are subject to variation in the quantity/quality/strength as supplied. Only bringing the supply under regulation will iron out matters of inconsistency. With LSD, the good/bad trip phenomenon appears to be governed by the size of the dose and the individual's state of mind at the time. All alkaloid euphorics enhance what is already present.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968395)

You ever seen anybody on a bad trip?

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968395)

You ever seen anybody on a bad trip?

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 968392)

As far as dosage is concerned, all controlled substances are subject to variation in the quantity/quality/strength as supplied. Only bringing the supply under regulation will iron out matters of inconsistency. With LSD, the good/bad trip phenomenon appears to be governed by the size of the dose and the individual's state of mind at the time. All alkaloid euphorics enhance what is already present.

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 968403)

Several times. I have acted as 'chaperone' for friends who have indulged and I will readily admit that a 'bad trip' is not easy to deal with. Does that invalidate my argument?.

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 968409)

Which sort of proves my point. once the variables of manufacture are reduced the only variables which remain are within the make up of the individual consumer.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968166)

Same here, and in my experience dealing with hundred of young people addicted to heroin, I never came across one user whose very first drug was heroin.

They all started off taking 'softer' drugs.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968262)

Haven't you?

It's not an uncommon reaction to the narcotic, thinking you can fly, whilst on an acid trip.

Sadly, many find out too late, that they can't.

Anthony Stewart (17) jumped through a hotel window and fell seven stories to his death after taking LSD - MyDeathSpace.com

Perhaps you should acquaint yourself with a few more of the facts, before publicly labelling LSD as a 'safe recreational drug'.

We have young members on this forum.

I sincerely hope none of them take any notice of your imbecilic advice.

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 968430)

I have already posted what my thoughts are on this subject.

I see the usual typical sniping is going on.

Garinda can I ask where you helped these 100s of heroin addicts.



Most peoples first drug wouldn't be Heroin, as they will probably be young when they try there first substance and wouldn't have the contacts.

You could class Alcohol as a gateway drug, a lot of the young people I know tried there first drugs E / Speed / Coke, Ect whilst out clubbing. But Alcohol is good??

As for this take LSD and think you can fly rubbish, where does this information come from. (Urban Myth).