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MargaretR 13-09-2011 13:55

Toxic cleaning chemicals
 
US: Woman Dies And Nine Others Taken To Hospital After Breathing In Toxic Fumes At McDonald's | UK News | Sky News

"Reports say cleaning products may be to blame for the fumes"


McDonald's Fumes Kill Woman, Then Re-Opens 3 Hours Later ! - YouTube

I have drawn your attention before to toxic cleaning products.
After websearching for possible causes of this toxic fumes incident, I suspect that it a lethal combination of bleach and urine.
I welcome comments from persons with chemistry qualifications.

Guide to Less Toxic Products

cashman 13-09-2011 14:02

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Probably n excuse fer the crap food they sell.:D

Less 13-09-2011 14:26

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 933254)
Probably n excuse fer the crap food they sell.:D

I hope you have a GCSE in Chemistry, otherwise you aren't supposed to reply.
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Free sign & face mask for the kiddies next time you visit macdees.

yerself 13-09-2011 14:57

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Never mind toxic cleaning chemicals at McDonald's, isn't their food toxic?
This is far more serious and deserving of your attention Maggie.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Gordon Booth 13-09-2011 15:17

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 933253)
I suspect that it a lethal combination of bleach and urine.

So those of us still alive on here must have dirty toilets!

Some household products can interact- i.e. bleach and ammonia which give off a gas with chlorine compounds in it when mixed. That would be very unpleasant and could well have happened in toilets.Possibly fatal if you were very frail?
Nothing in urine to react with bleach as far as I remember.

Margaret Pilkington 13-09-2011 15:22

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Isn't ammonia a compound in urine?

MargaretR 13-09-2011 15:24

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If you have the job of changing a cat litter you will know that stale urine smells of ammonia.

BBC - h2g2 - The Dangers of Mixing Bleach and Ammonia - A795611

Eric 13-09-2011 15:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yerself (Post 933271)
Never mind toxic cleaning chemicals at McDonald's, isn't their food toxic?
This is far more serious and deserving of your attention Maggie.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

BBC News - 'Wi-fi refugees' shelter in West Virginia mountains

I don't know if I buy into the toxic transmission thing ... but I do always, or usually, unless Sarah Palin is involved:rolleyes:, try not to dismiss wacky seeming ideas ... and when the authorities tell me something is completely safe, the word "thalidomide" pops into my head for some reason ...whatever, I do think that it would be great if there were places where we could get away from the annoying ant-social networking that seems to be taking over the world. A poem comes to mind (and I curse the muses that it's only others' poems that come to mind, never anything original:mad:) Apart from the unfortunate referrence to squirrels and their nuts, there seems to be a message in there for those who are losing touch with the planet.

Leisure, by W. H. Davies

Gordon Booth 13-09-2011 15:43

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You're quite right, margaretR, urea CAN break down into ammonia(looked it up) but I wouldn't have thought you'd get that much gas. Pouring neat bleach AND ammonia itself into a toilet could give a lot of gas off. I'm sure I've seen it on the bottles not to mix them.

Changeing cat litter-my favourite morning job, not so much the pee, more the poo!

garinda 13-09-2011 16:17

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'That left law enforcement officials and toxicologists to speculate about what the victims might have inhaled, and how it ended up in the women's room. "We've heard everything from terrorist attacks to carbon monoxide to sewer gas to God knows what else.''

'Pooler Fire Chief G. Wade Simmons said that based on employees' routines at the Pooler McDonald's, workers would have cleaned the women's room early in the day, before serving up Egg McMuffins to the morning breakfast crowd. But the initial report of someone choking didn't get called in until just before noon Wednesday, further deepening the mystery of why people suddenly became ill so much later. None of the products on the cleaning cart had spilled, he said, and the cart wasn't even near the bathroom when patrons began developing symptoms.'


'Dr. Marcel J. Casavant chief of pharmacology/toxicology at Nationwide Children's Hospital in Columbus, said he thought the most likely culprit was hydrogen sulfide, or "sewer gas," which blocks the body's ability to use oxygen. It's called a "rapid-knockdown" gas, he said.'

Georgia McDonald's Toxic Fumes a Deadly Mystery - ABC News

Bit hard to speculate as to the cause of the poor woman's death, until the results of the 80 year old's autopsy's been made public.

garinda 13-09-2011 16:29

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 933310)
Bit hard to speculate as to the cause of the poor woman's death, until the results of the 80 year old's autopsy's been made public.

I'm afraid I only got a C grade at chemistry O-level.

I do hope that somehow qualifies me enough to make the above comment.

accyman 13-09-2011 17:01

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They probably had some Clown in charge of cleaning the toilets ;)

ok ok ill get mi coat

cya :D

Eric 13-09-2011 17:31

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 933327)
They probably had some Clown in charge of cleaning the toilets ;)

ok ok ill get mi coat

cya :D

Hey ... pay your tab before you leave:D

jaysay 13-09-2011 17:44

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Thats another good reason for giving Ronald and friends a miss

garinda 13-09-2011 18:10

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Forget the free toys.

Perhaps they should reconsider what they give away with their Happy Meals.

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:rolleyes:


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