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I had to laugh when I read about the planning application for the Lap Dancing Club in Accrington. I just think the whole thing and the fuss about it is so funny and so Accrington.
But one thing I read in the Observer article gave me pause for thought.
Cllr. Gareth Molineux is reported as justifing his decision before a full council in the following terms...
"We considered the Home Office guidance.
It’s not a residential area and not in a sensitive location near services targeted at children. Nor are there buildings nearby used for tourism or religious purposes."

I had to wonder at the familiarity with Accrington town centre, or rather the lack of it, dispalyed by Cllr. Molineux.

It is not in a sensitive location near services targeted at children.
Does Quattro's ban children then?

Is Blackburn Road and the front of the Market Hall not frequented by children on a daily basis?

Nor are there buildings nearby used for tourism
Town Hall Information Centre?
Market Hall?
Bus Station?
Taxi Ranks?

or religious purposes
St James' Church?

Please don't misunderstand me. I am not now, nor have I ever been a member of Kevin Logan's fan club. In fact I am of the firm conviction that the sooner he disappears up his own testament the better it would be for everyone.
But, The Observer, continues...
At last week's full council meeting, a written question from campaign leader Rev Kevin Logan asked why councillors considered the club would "fit the character of our town."
He claimed they had allowed licence applications to be rubber-stamped without debate.
He told the Observer: "The council acted high-handedly in adopting this law to grant Sexual Entertainment Licences without any consultation and with hardly any notice.
"All they did was put up a small typewritten note on a lamp-post in the town centre and a small ad in the local newspaper. If the councillors think that in certain circumstances such a sex entertainment venue is in keeping with the town, and their ruling implies this, then they have a very low view of Accrington.
"It will be next to the town hall and across the way from the parish church, and at the exact place where hundreds of children disembark from their school buses."

I feel that in such circumstances Logan has got the matter pretty spot on, though for exactly the wrong reasons.

Is this just another example of HBC acting in our name but without even pausing to consider what we might actually want or need?
Is it appropriate to site a Lap Dancing establishment directly opposite the Town Hall and Market Hall?

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A-B....the answers to your questions are :-
1) yes.....but then, they are good at doing that.
2) No. The fact that this guy Gareth Molineux has to justify why the he feels it a fitting place confirms this.
Citing Home Office regulations smacks of his lack of real conviction in what his justification is.

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Perhaps they're thinking how handy it will be for the councillors and Town hall staff?

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The only thing is this application had to be looked at through planning regulations not moral obligation, giving the place a licence is a totally different matter though, but so longs as the premises met planing regulations they would have to grant it, I'm not sure whether the full criteria was met, to me parking would certainly be an issue

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:eek::D:eek:

There has been a whole thread about the Lap Dance Club -very popular in the sense it got loads of replies. Don't know if the actual position of the premises was raised though...

Will it be garishly advertised at street level with bright lights, music and the usual photos to entice the clients in.... Or would it be discreet and wrapped in brown paper to disguise the product contents...?;)

Get your point completely though Acrylic, it would lower the tone in a certain sense -but wherever it eventually sets up there will always be those against it for their own puritanical agendas...Do you have any thoughts about a better location your good self?

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I was actually going to ask if one of our councillors could actually clarify planning regs concerning these premises, but they don't post on here these days:rolleyes:

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I am honestly, so not being puritanical about this. But, well, its not as though there are not a plethora of empty pubs in the town. And I am sure that there are quite a few that are still trading who would not turn their noses up at the business.

It's just this guy Molineux and his risable explanation that gets my goat. I could even understand his lack of knowlege if the place were to be sited in some backwater of the town. But, come on, not near services aimed at children, not near a religious building not near tourists - in the town centre?

Some days you can feel the will to live just drain away.

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Of course, to look at it another way. If you were going to open up a Lap Dancing club where is the last place you would site it?

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Never crossed my mind to include you in the puritanical set;)

You wouldn't get a Lap Dance club opposite The Houses of Parliament now would you? Similar establishments are close enough for the MP's to get there on foot after a hard days slog though, i'm sure, or at most a short taxi ride away...:rolleyes: (Haven't been down that way for 25 years ...)

The lack of "Class" in general in Accrington is painful to see though, so I know what you mean -poverty of aspirations (Not my words of course!:)) - it's a very diffuse and catching disease.:rolleyes::D

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It strikes me that since the early seventies, those who had the get up and go, increasingly got up and went, decamping to nice places in the Ribble Valley and elsewhere. Where the air was clean, the houses reassuringly expensive and where the hoi-polloi and immigrants were hardly ever seen.

If you are looking for one reason above all others for the decline in the borough, it is that...

White Flight.

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Best place for it would be next to a mosque.

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From a purely business point of view you are probably not far off the mark there, but there would have to be a discreet back entrance.

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Spot on -though it's probably politically incorrect to be so candid (no pun on white intended!)

I don't count myself as my own movement was more circumstancial.

But in the past 10 years: My parents have sold up and de-camped to Tenerife; my sister, brother-in-law and their 3 children have emigrated to New Zealand; his sister and her family moved there 2 years ago and my cousin and her family also moved to NZ 6 years ago....apart from my parents who are retired, they are all working professionals whose children are now in higher education...what a loss to the Accy and to the UK in general...this is the true extent of the brain drain -i don't believe my family is exceptional in this respect.

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Perhaps another unlooked for benefit of the coming collapse, may be more of a willingness in society to re-evaluate our position in the world and ask blunt questions about wether we are content with the legacy of the last forty years. The answers could be seismic. This time next year we could be looking at a very different Britain.

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At the end of the day all it is is another pub with scantily clad women dancing & grating trying to get men to part with their dosh. Just the same as every other pub in town, only difference is these women make a lot of money for doing their job. The other women are just out trying to get a free drink off a fella, a free kebab & maybe a bit of how's yer father. This is going to create jobs & maybe get more people into Accy spending their money, that cant be a bad thing in itself. It doesn't harm anyone, it ain't a brothel.

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At the risk of offending others I agree with you Wallop.

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I used to walk past one in London, and one in Glasgow, both in city centre locations, nearly every day.

Neither seemed to cause anyone any offence.

Oldies, kiddies, ginger people in kilts from Auchtermuchty.

Nearby department stores had much more overtly sexual displays, flogging their knicker and vest combos, and there were more titillating images displayed on advertising hoardings at bus stops, than there were outside those lap dancing clubs.

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Very well said. Sex is everywhere you look these days.

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Ever since we developed the sense of sight, people have used that ability to seek out and satisfy a sexual desire.

If we didn't, none of us would be here.

You can cover the piano's legs in the parlour, in a vain attempt to diminish passionate desires, or make women wear a burka, but it won't stop it happening.

It's nature.

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Well how come i keep missing it?:D

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I once contemplated opening a brothel, but I'm a lousy cook:D

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Back in the 70s you could walk down the Old Kent Road in London and every pub, bar none, had topless gogo dancers or topless barmaids, the barmaids din't half take the froth of your beer:D

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Should have gone to Specsavers http://cdn.content.sweetim.com/sim/c...s/00020191.gif :D

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Like A-B.....I don't really care about the I-Candy Place. If this chap thinks he can make a go of the business in a town that wants two Pies for a pound....and is voer-run with pound shops and charity shops then so be it.
Accrington doesn't have the smell of money on it does it? It has the reek of poverty.
As for Stag nights coming here.....which do you think sounds better?......'I'm taking the guys to Benidorm for my stag night' or 'We're going to a Lap dancing club in Accrington' The second one doesn't have a lot going for it does it?

We should be taking bets on how long it will last.

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Salome's last dance - YouTube

:rolleyes::D

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Wonder if we can odds from Bet Fed:D

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I agree.

As I've said before, I can't see it lasting long.

How are they going to compete?

Look a bit odd.

A g-string full of pound coins.

:eek:

:D

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Don't be daft they have special ones made wi slots in for all denominations of coin, catering for everybody:D http://cdn.content.sweetim.com/sim/c...s/000205AB.gifand one for the girls even:D

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Pie 'n' tease for a pound.

Bargain.

:D

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Well, on the sliding scale of taste, after Lap Dancing, Stag and Hen nights are the next lower rung on the ladder. And beneath that... dogging in the bus station? I wonder whether the council has a "moral position" on that?

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Lie back, and take it like a ho, like they do for their Daddy?

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At the risk of turning into a complete bore on this subject, I completely agree with Margaret's comments here.
Accrington is a small town and to me a lap dancing club above a quite pleasant family friendly restaurant ( possibly the only one in central accrington) across from the town hall and right in the town centre is nothing like a similar club in London, Leeds or Manchester which are cities and can easily absorb such a club. I doubt it will last long anyway young people on stag do's would rather go to more sophisticated/exotic locations than Accrington town centre these days!

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Its obvious the chap that's opening the joint must know more that us or why would he be going to the expense of setting up the place

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There's a licensed sex shop, and also a sado-masochist dungeon, within three minutes walk of where this club is planning to open.

Never been to one myself, but from what I've heard, there's not much that goes on there, that differs much from the bump and grind, you see performed in most of Accy's late night pubs and clubs.

Girls dance half naked in front of people who pay, but who aren't allowed to touch.

Very similar to what Salome got up to in the Bible.

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There's many more dirty acts being carried out behind net curtained suburban homes.

There's a prostitute from up Bash, who advertises she works from home.

I've not heard of any horses being frightened up there, by what she get up to behind closed doors.

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Ya but the blokes down accy won't have to pay with their heads:D

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They sure did A-B, it started in the 60s i recall, when the market n town were quite busy, fer me there are a few reasons fer the flight, certainly nowt to do wi the sex industry in any way, unless yeh include the Market Superintendent back then,who made gadaffi look like andy pandy, i recall in the mid 60s traders talking about doin one through him, never took much notice back then, cos i was a worker not a stallholder, various councils have also cocked up big time oer the years, so fer me whats happened has been a slow strangulation of a good little centre. i seem to recall also a Topless Pub on Abbey St in later years think twas Late 80s? never entered it so aint too sure of when, from what i recall hearing,it did ok at first (Novelty Value) but didn't really last that long, sure someone will correct me if i'm wrong, remember thinking at the time though accy aint so hot, the people aint so daft either, n thats what i strongly suspect will happen wi this lastet venture.;)

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[QUOTE=garinda;952246]There's a licensed sex shop, and also a sado-masochist dungeon, within three minutes walk of where this club is planning to open.

Think I know where the sex shop is, but a dungeon didn't know bout that.
1 where is it ?!
2 how do you know about it?!! :alright:

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[QUOTE=wallop79;952308]He just escaped wallop.:D

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Next door to our M.P.'s office, Abbey St.

Inside town centre torture den - rack, stocks and a cage | Accrington Observer - menmedia.co.uk

Thinking about it, I think I read they'd moved their dungeon to where the old pet shop was in Ossy.

No I haven't been.

I don't need to pay, to be a right royal pain.


:D

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Ya cashy remember the pub the duke of wellington??????the smallest pub in town been shut years, in debt up to their bra straps:D

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you seem keen if you need any help with a buisness card let me know :eek::D

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Cheers, i'll give you a bell later, ya never know you might be my first customer !! :eek::eek::eek::D:D:D

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I bet it won't be his first ho.

;):D

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Or his last:rolleyes:;):D

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i seem to remember hearing of a striptease place in Rosegrove area in the late '50s????? No I didn't go, the chain wasn't long enough and the ball was too heavy to carry

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I'm managing to bore myself about this subject, so I'll stop talking about it now! It should be interesting to see how it gets on though when it opens!

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There were one or two knocking about in those days Barrie, that put striptease on but they were mainly cabaret clubs which were subsidised by the casino, but they all folded, when the tightened gaming laws up in the late 60s, places like the Starlight club, 77 club at Brierfield, can't remember the name of the one at Rosegrove though

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As well as rosegrove, they had strippers at the Sett End i think twas called up Shadsworth, never ventured in either. if i wanna see dogs,i'll visit crufts.

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Ya cashy Sett End and the other one Rovers Return, two pubs to miss:D

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Just be grateful Barbara Lucas, and before that Isabel Potts, never whipped off their liberty bodices, to pull you a pint in the Stop.


:D

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Ya thank god for small mercy's although Barbara did server her time at the Rovers Return:D

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This is stretching the memory but didn't Margot Grimshaw do a stint as a topless barmaid in Blackburn, in a pub on the Boulevard? That was before she came over all moralistic and holier than thou, of course.

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Groove thinks this club is doomed to failure, once the novelty wears off it will be empty. Groove has been for a lapdance in the past at Blackpool just for a laugh. You would have to be a pillock to frequent these places regularly. Accy has'nt got the clientele with the money for this joint. Groove might go for a nosy, however he usually gets ejected for slapping the lapdancers bottoms-they don't like it.......killjoys.

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Must say I can remember that Bob, I'll make enquires on another website I use, cant remember her having a pub on the Boulevard even, but might be wrong

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There were strippers at Harrys bar (behind railway station) in Accy 15 years since....and Groove remembers the topless barmaids at the top club in Clayton, he was a regular.

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I don't think she owned it, Jay. That was in the days before she had The Merchants and The Dirty Duck.

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I seem to remember watching a tv programme about her, and her saying she brought topless barmaids to Blackburn.

I can't remember if she said she wopped 'em too.

Perhaps she just helped 'em out when they were busy.

:rolleyes:

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A friend's mother, who knew La Grimshaw, assured me that she did and implied that 'whopping them out' was not all she got up to.:eek:

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Despite the Maureen Cookson type bling, she does seem to favour being stoutly shod.

I always presumed she tipped the velvet.

Though being a keen businesswoman, perhaps she took her vest off for purely commercial reasons.

:Banane20:


:rolleyes:

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Where the hell was Harry's bar? Is this a licensed establishment in Accy that I've missed? :eek:

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Twas the owd A.E.U. Club before mate.;)

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Right, cheers, Mr C. Thought it was called Mr Miller's, but maybe it changed after I left town.

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Twas its had a few names i think, i never went near after the A.E.U. went.;)

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I never went near when it was the A.E.U. cashy:D

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Yeh don't know what yeh missed mate, Friday night wi the "Harry Curry" Disco late 60s, was one hell of a night.;)

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Na Friday night was snooker night in Oswaldtwistle Conservative and Unionist Club cashy, to give it its full title:D

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Snooker v Currys Disco, no contest, yeh boring owd git.:D

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I wish I hadn't :rolleyes:
As part of my job at DSS I used to give lectures about the benefits system to 'outside bodies' who asked for it.

The AEU club asked - it was the most difficult lecture I ever gave - I was heckled from start to finish - they directed their anger at the government at me.

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Margo Grimshaw reveals... | Interview | EN for Business

Think this will give you the answer you've been looking for Bob:rolleyes:

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Thanks for the link, Jay. But I would not believe one word that woman says.

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What does A.E.U stand for please guys?

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Ya still think she got um out for the lads then:D

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And the rest, jay. And the rest. But enough about old mother goody-two-shoes. Let us return to the plans to convert Accrington into the North West's equivalent of what is known in Amsterdam as Het Rossebuurt. For anyone of an entrepreneurial frame of mind the myriad of empty shops in Accy town centre provide a wonderful business oportunity. And believe you me, don't the tourists love it!

It would also give them somewhere to go on a rainy Saturday afternoon when our tourist information office is shut.

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You see, as always, Less is a step ahead of me.

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Amalgamated Engineering Unions

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I thought it was 'Union', (singular)?

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Wouldn'there have to be more that one engineering union(originally, that is) for them to call themselves 'amalgamated'???

Oh dear, what you have to consider is the title, singular represents 'solidarity', lots of unions amalgamated represents the mish mash of life.

I started my apprenticeship and had to join the EEPTU, ( Electrical Electronic & Plumbing Trade Union),
I was in Electronics, the union just after I came out of my time, sent around a form for electricians to go on a free course to bring them up to date with electronics, I asked if Under those circumstances I could have a free course in heavy current electrical work.
Go away in short jerky movements said they, I paid nothing else into that amalgamated union I can tell you.

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Ya you could just see all the shops on Church Street, with curtains on the windows strategically placed so they can be drawn very easily:D

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The are now known as AEEU, amalgamated electrical & engineering union, many moons back I was shop steward for them when I worked at Lupton Bros. Anyway getting back on track, how many Accy webbers will be visiting the club just out of curiosity, I don't think for one minute any of you on here would be frequenting other than to report back on here how rubbish it is.

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Thankyou Retlaw.