Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1009225)

This seems highly suspicious to me.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1009225)

This seems highly suspicious to me.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1009225)

This seems highly suspicious to me.

Originally Posted by steve2qec (Post 1009236)

Jewish Stocktaking...?

Originally Posted by MITZY (Post 1009288)

Does anyone know if Blackburn Road is still closed, this morning buses got diverted so presume it still was then.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1009300)

Still closed MITZY, Buses aint coming from accy that way, driver just told us.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1009269)

Looks like somebody wants to refurbish their premises:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1009342)

More likely to take the money & do one !

Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 1009366)

I work fairly nearby, one of my colleagues was talking to someone at lunchtime who said Blackburn Road may be closed for a few weeks.

Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 1009366)

I work fairly nearby, one of my colleagues was talking to someone at lunchtime who said Blackburn Road may be closed for a few weeks.

Originally Posted by flashy (Post 1009256)

They where all saying it was sus in the comments part on the LT website last night too

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 1009405)

Originally Posted by Claytoner40 (Post 1009416)

It is Ramadan there's no supposing about it. Food can be prepared before sunset. You have to bear in mind not all of the community are devout Muslims in the same way I'm not a devout Christian

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1009423)

That's a poor comparison Claytone40, the vast majority of Muslims are devout, but not so in Christianity

Originally Posted by Claytoner40 (Post 1009416)

It is Ramadan there's no supposing about it. Food can be prepared before sunset. You have to bear in mind not all of the community are devout Muslims in the same way I'm not a devout Christian

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1009225)

This seems highly suspicious to me.

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1009450)

If you look at the roof line of the row on google maps

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Acc...66.61,,0,-8.21

it appears that the double fronted takeaway was once two dwellings, and most all the other properties on the row appear to be dwellings.

The view of the interior of the takeaway shows the wall between (what was) two premises has been demolished. It seems likely that this demolition eventually led to the collapse of the frontage.

It would be interesting to know when this internal alteration happened, and whether planning consent was applied for and approved.

This post may well be regarded as 'stating the obvious' to people familiar with the location, but some members here are not so familiar.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 1009398)

You can go down BLackburn road on the bus but it has to be the small red ones they go as far as dale st round the back down willows lane and back onto Blackburn road and into town

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1009450)

It would be interesting to know when this internal alteration happened, and whether planning consent was applied for and approved.

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1009470)

Thank You Kate for taking the trouble to find that.

So it was in 1985 that an existing restaurant was given permission to extend into a house next door.

The plans clearly show that all internal walls (with the exception of a stairway on the far left and the kitchen outbuildings) were to be demolished, and that the support for the upper floor be one central column.

I can't see 'suggestions on beams' you referred to but most of the planning notes I found unreadable.

I am not a structural engineer but the wisdom in doing that is doubtful, especially in view of the age of the original buildings.

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1009470)

I can't see 'suggestions on beams' you referred to but most of the planning notes I found unreadable.

Originally Posted by MITZY (Post 1009473)

As far as I know the buses are running normal route again.

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1009472)

Margaret on document 8063 page 15 out of 18 there is on the RHS a section on the plan referring to beams. It is quite legible if you blow it up on the Adobe reader.

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1009475)

I found this about the central column -

"Pier 665mmx665mm built from concrete common bricks on a 1.750mm x 1.750mm x 250mm thick concrete foundation. Foundation to have 2layers of A1dz(?) welded steel facing reinforcement with the lower layer placed 50mm up from the bottom of foundation. Foundation to be laid 500mm min below floor level. Pier to have 665mm x 665mm x 150mm padstone on top & a DPC (damproof) 150mm min above floor level".

I couldn't find any ref to 'beams' but I would expect RSJs (rolled steel joists) to feature at ceiling level and I can't see it.

In 1980 I organised the total refurb of a terraced house which involved demolition of 12' of a 15' dividing wall between two ground floor rooms. An RSJ of a specific size was required and it had to be fireproofed.

I can see nothing similar anywhere mentioned in the plans for the internal wall demolition done on these two properties.

Originally Posted by MITZY (Post 1009473)

As far as I know the buses are running normal route again.

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1009477)

If you look at the plan on page 15 all the beams supporting the upper floor radiate out from that central column to the walls. The section on the extreme right of that page mentions them and what size they should be.

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 1009478)

Blackburn Rd is now back to how it was before the fire, open with traffic light control

Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 1009482)

Are the buses running normally?

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1009479)

Found it now thanks:o

...strange that it says 'beams' and not 'RSJs'

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1009474)

They seem to be Mitzy. i drove through behind one about 4-30 ish.

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1009485)

Good, glad you found it. We too have done up houses so I know about putting in RSJs also my dad was an architect and surveyor so I know how to read a plan. Not sure sure the person who drew up the plans was qualified in that field so that may just have been his way of referring to them as beams rather than RSJs.