Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1016426)

Rob...while you aren't religious...most morals stem from religion....and are sort of ingrained on us as children.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1016425)

......how did I square them with my conscience? I felt that if I didn't do them then someone else would......

Originally Posted by churchfcrules (Post 1016431)

4 vegetarians, starving to death, have a pig.........

Originally Posted by churchfcrules (Post 1016416)

i was reading on another thread regarding morallity and employment

i decided to start a new thread rather than hijack that one

if you where on benefits, and they told you you had to take a job, that was against your moral/religous beliefs, would this be acceptable?

would those beliefs, outweigh those of "claiming benefits", some have no moral problem having state handouts, whilst others dont see it as a right and do have.

at what stage do your morals have to take a"back seat", or would they never and irrelevant of the consequence you would always take the moral high ground ?

Originally Posted by churchfcrules (Post 1016424)

Vegan in a shoe shop?

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1016422)

I don't have any religious beliefs. I don't draw my morals from religious scripture either. So I guess the answer would be. Yes I would.

But putting myself into the mind of say a Muslim hving to work at Slingers. If I was that person. I think it would be justifiable to say no

But what jobs out there are immoral for someone outside of religion. Working as bartender in a stripclub?
Being a guitar tech for the dude from take that?(highly immoral haha)

how many potentially immorral jobs are out there?

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1016426)

Rob...while you aren't religious...most morals stem from religion....and are sort of ingrained on us as children.

Originally Posted by sugarmouse0707 (Post 1016438)

so I am not sponging off the government

Originally Posted by sugarmouse0707 (Post 1016438)

I guess it would depend on how desperate I was for money (that is benefits not being stopped, or an actual wage).
I have been unemployed before, when I was not up to doing my usual job. I didn't claim benefits-it might be seen as a moral highground why not-I just thought I am able bodied and I am not totally skint, so I am not sponging off the government



Lol!
There are loads.Well -I am a vegan, I have been vegan 12 years and not eaten meat since I was 11. If I was put to work in a slaughterhouse, butchers, McDonalds, leather shop, fish market, any shop that encourages cosmetic testing (such as certain make up stalls or working for a corporation such as unilever) then I would likely appear in the Daily Mail shortly following.

Other examples I can think of, anybody who is precious about sex-working in any part of adult entertainment.
Pacifists working for anything to do with the army or other armed forces?



There are more absolute personal ones as well-we were speaking about the H'sborough disaster on another thread-am pretty sure none of the victims would be happy working in a shop that sold The S*n, or working for the same-just an example. People whose relatives have died from lung cancer, working in a cigarette factory? Working in an off license if you're strictly teetotal.
There's a line between morality and pride. Not taking a job you are over-qualified for is the latter!


Lol by that definition I have no morals! :D
Actually though, I often say veganism IS a religion as by the sociological definition. It's a set of beliefs and values that people live their life by, collectively or otherwise. It amounts to the same. It was a personal decision though.

Good question/good thread! :)

Originally Posted by sugarmouse0707 (Post 1016438)

you're strictly teetotal.
There's a line between morality and pride. Not taking a job you are over-qualified for is the latter!

Originally Posted by sugarmouse0707 (Post 1016438)

There's a line between morality and pride. Not taking a job you are over-qualified for is the latter!

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1016442)

I am unemployed, I do claim, I am not sponging off the Government, I have contributed all my life I'm taking out a little of what I've put in.
If you are entitled to claim the system is there to allow you to claim, it is those that have a very narrow outlook that consider all the unemployed to be spongers and scroungers because it makes them feel better having someone to blame, this, I consider to be morally wrong.

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1016442)

I am unemployed, I do claim, I am not sponging off the Government, I have contributed all my life I'm taking out a little of what I've put in.
If you are entitled to claim the system is there to allow you to claim, it is those that have a very narrow outlook that consider all the unemployed to be spongers and scroungers because it makes them feel better having someone to blame, this, I consider to be morally wrong.

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 1016443)

My son's girlfriend, Martina, was a vegetarian and tried to be a vegan for some time -in the end she had a load of problems with allergies and her health was suffering (she's intollerant to zinc anmong other things) so her doctor advised her to return to a "normal" diet without many things which contain zinc - she will now eat lean meat but nothing on the bone or with fat -sort of squeamish I suppose. Her reason for becoming vegetarian was a moral one against the battery rearing of animals for food and connected mis-treatment.

You say you are a vegan - was it a conscious choice or just something that happened over time. Do you wear leather, do you eat cheese made with rennet or just the veggie sort, will you drink milk, I suppose you won't eat eggs. Not trying to be polemic just to understand how you can follow through such a difficult choice of lifestyle...
Forgot to mention I have a friend who gave up eating meat as a student 'cos she coulnt afford it and has never eaten it since (30yrs) -that's what I mean by it just happenng over time...

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1016447)

Not pride, perhaps it's morally wrong to take a job you are over-qualified for?

You take this job and someone less qualified but with a better mindset to be able to do the job is thrown onto the dole instead of you.

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1016448)

Well said Less, you are in the position that my partner has been in several times during his working life . You are entitled to the measly sum doled out by the government, it's not sponging. Having read your recent blog it is all too easy for employers to take advantage of folks in your situation.

I do find it difficult however to condone the attitude of those who, having been out of work for whatever reason for x number of years, keep on producing children for the state to support and then demand a bigger house for the family while they all sit at home watching sky tv with a fag in their hand. Yes I now that's a stereotype but I guess the benefits system has made this a lifestyle choice for them while making it hard for singles and couples who want to work.