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cmonstanley 04-05-2013 09:17

how many deaths ?
 
how many deaths are the private firms responsible for in the nhs:confused: in thelast half hour ive found 4. 1 in a private ambulance firm working on a outsourced contract operating without trained personel Amputee dies in G4S ambulance due to 'insufficient' staff training - Home News - UK - The Independent the 111 service run by untrained private staff 3 that we know of.does anybody know of any more:confused:

accyman 04-05-2013 09:28

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i once had to dial 999 for my dear friend percy but he died on the way to hospital

clearly the ambulance crews vetinary skills were severly lacking and my goldfish was pronounced D.O.A :mad:

Less 04-05-2013 09:55

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1057296)
i once had to dial 999 for my dear friend percy but he died on the way to hospital

clearly the ambulance crews vetinary skills were severly lacking and my goldfish was pronounced D.O.A :mad:

The best thing you could have done was flushed him.


It may seem a little harsh but the recovery rate from such action is supposed to be so good there are reports of 12 foot goldfish living in our sewers. (I wonder what is in the water causing these little fish to grow 12 feet?).

jaysay 04-05-2013 10:02

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1057289)
how many deaths are the private firms responsible for in the nhs:confused: in thelast half hour ive found 4. 1 in a private ambulance firm working on a outsourced contract operating without trained personel Amputee dies in G4S ambulance due to 'insufficient' staff training - Home News - UK - The Independent the 111 service run by untrained private staff 3 that we know of.does anybody know of any more:confused:

The story is in the Independent C'mon, and if you care to look any closer you might just find that G4S have been employed within the NHS since 2000, now I wonder who was in Government at that time, care to answer C'mon, taking into account that they are usually tied to long term contracts. Better to forget headlines and linkes and do a little research before putting your size 10s in it:rolleyes:

accyman 04-05-2013 10:03

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1057309)
The best thing you could have done was flushed him.


It may seem a little harsh but the recovery rate from such action is supposed to be so good there are reports of 12 foot goldfish living in our sewers. (I wonder what is in the water causing these little fish to grow 12 feet?).


i did think of that but avian snorkles are hard to come by :(

DaveinGermany 04-05-2013 10:58

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1057313)
i did think of that but avian snorkles are hard to come by :(

Are we talking a different pet here? If so, didn't you learn the first time around? :rolleyes:

tommiasfc 04-05-2013 11:04

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You haven't started a new thread to avoid the torries thread have you? You seem to be upto your same old tricks of posting links though. Old dog new tricks and all that ;)

westendlass 04-05-2013 11:16

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1057319)
Are we talking a different pet here? If so, didn't you learn the first time around? :rolleyes:

That was a cheep remark Dig.

DaveinGermany 04-05-2013 11:26

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1057289)
ambulance firm working on a outsourced contract operating without trained personel Amputee dies in G4S ambulance due to 'insufficient' staff training - Home News - UK - The Independent:confused:

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Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 1057320)
You haven't started a new thread to avoid the torries thread have you? ;)

Don't think he has Tommi, his "latest" link, is rehashed from a previous post he made & would you believe it, it was in the Tories thread!

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/1...-post2598.html

DaveinGermany 04-05-2013 11:29

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Originally Posted by westendlass (Post 1057321)
That was a cheep remark Dig.

Cheep? I assure you Madame, I'm most definitely not lining my nest with this observation. :D

westendlass 04-05-2013 12:19

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1057326)
Cheep? I assure you Madame, I'm most definitely not lining my nest with this observation. :D

Don't get in to a flap about it but fly away remarks really are a low form of wit.!

cashman 04-05-2013 12:30

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Originally Posted by westendlass (Post 1057332)
Don't get in to a flap about it but fly away remarks really are a low form of wit.!

Well yeh can't get much lower n a scouser.:D

DaveinGermany 04-05-2013 12:41

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1057334)
Well yeh can't get much lower n a scouser.:D

Oi! Who rattled your cage? :D

And I'll have you know, Scouser starts with a big "S" ya Woolly! :s_aim1:

Less 04-05-2013 12:58

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1057335)
Oi! Who rattled your cage? :D

And I'll have you know, Scouser starts with a big "S" ya Woolly! :s_aim1:

How true, but usually in the phrase, you big S hit!
:D

accyman 04-05-2013 13:11

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1057319)
Are we talking a different pet here? If so, didn't you learn the first time around? :rolleyes:

lol i was torn between budgie and goldfish on my forst post.I forgot which i went for lol

MargaretR 04-05-2013 13:19

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He is making a valid point that privatisation of the NHS has lowered standards of care.

You are trivialising the issue just because you don't like the threadstarter.

cashman 04-05-2013 13:25

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Rubbish the validity is not yon, when he don't blame the party he extols fer implementing it, but infers its the scumbag torys.:rolleyes: Plus i dont dislike cmon, just think hes deluding himself.

Less 04-05-2013 14:09

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1057340)
lol i was torn between budgie and goldfish on my forst post.I forgot which i went for lol

Don't panic, a quick flush removes many a moral dilema & is cheaper than Vet fees.

I must say though, my shire horse is looking a bit peaky, I'll be burghered if I can flush it in one go.

Maybe I should just dump it outside Tesco?

jaysay 04-05-2013 15:02

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1057344)
He is making a valid point that privatisation of the NHS has lowered standards of care.

You are trivialising the issue just because you don't like the threadstarter.

Its quite obviously the thread starter doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, only the headline in a left wing rage, the fact that the company he is decrying was employed by the last government, maybe if he'd have taken the trouble to find out about it he wouldn't have dived in the deep end when he can't swim. I have more experience of the ambulance service than I care to remember and but for their quick attention and medical skills I probably wouldn't be posting this reply, this was last November, so when this idiot stars this kind of slur campaign sorry he's not getting away with it, whether you like it or not

accyman 04-05-2013 15:11

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1057344)
He is making a valid point that privatisation of the NHS has lowered standards of care.

You are trivialising the issue just because you don't like the threadstarter.


knowing people in both the nursing and adminisstration side of hospitals i can assure you that Labour started this ball rolling and the gradual privitisation of the NHS.

dosnt alter the fact that teh torys are continueing it and not stopping it

of course it had to go this way though the NHS cant continue to subsiside every sod that clings on to a truck or flys over from africa with aids getting extreemly expensive drugs for free and cater for legitimate citizens of the UK as well.

It wouldnt hurt if wales and scotland paid for prescriptions though like england has too :mad:

DaveinGermany 04-05-2013 16:01

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1057344)
He is making a valid point that privatisation of the NHS has lowered standards of care.

You are trivialising the issue just because you don't like the threadstarter.

Not really MargeR, he's raised this particular article before when he was looking to score points ( http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/1...-post2598.html (The Tories) )it was quite thoroughly discussed then too.

DaveinGermany 04-05-2013 16:21

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1057338)
How true, but usually in the phrase, you big S hit!
:D

Sir! In response to your defamatory comment above, I'd just like to point out that your definition isn't the only instance were the "S" is predominant in relation to your average Scallys appellation, hence "Softlad", "Smartarse" also benefit from the use of the capital "S".

Furthermore, when referring to him/herself (The Scally), usually on apprehension & detention by the Scuffers or some such similar bailiff, probation or judiciary figure will begin his mitigation plea with "S'not me what done it!" or equally "S'im what done it! I wuz at me Nans!". Usually in a somewhat plaintive & disbelieving tone, accompanied by such a look of shiftyness (indubitably confirming guilt) to see if he/she is being believed by the authority in question. :) ;)

MargaretR 04-05-2013 16:22

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1057386)
Sir! In response to your defamatory comment above, I'd just like to point out that your definition isn't the only instance were the "S" is predominant in relation to your average Scallys appellation, hence "Softlad", "Smartarse" also benefit from the use of the capital "S".

Furthermore, when referring to himself (The Scally), usually on apprehension & detention by the Scuffers or some such similar bailiff, probation or judiciary figure will begin his mitigation plea with "S'not me what done it!" or equally "S'im what done it! I wuz at me Nans!". Usually in a somewhat plaintive & disbelieving tone, accompanied by a look of shiftyness to see if he/she is being believed by the authority in question. :) ;)

Translation required:confused:

DaveinGermany 04-05-2013 16:38

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1057387)
Translation required:confused:

Really? Try Google translator if it helps, or is it the regional aspect you're struggling with Marge? :)

MargaretR 04-05-2013 16:44

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1057390)
Really? Try Google translator if it helps, or is it the regional aspect you're struggling with Marge? :)

Too many cooks spoil the broth.
Too many words confuse the reader.

DaveinGermany 04-05-2013 16:49

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1057393)
Too many cooks spoil the broth.

Mulligatawny for me please Chef! The waiters seem to understand. :idunno:

jaysay 05-05-2013 08:47

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1057393)
Too many cooks spoil the broth.
Too many words confuse the reader.

Yip we've noticed;)

DaveinGermany 05-05-2013 11:35

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1057459)
Yip we've noticed;)

More salt Chef? :rolleyes:

MargaretR 05-05-2013 11:38

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I prefer a clear consomme - more digestable.

DaveinGermany 05-05-2013 11:54

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1057481)
I prefer a clear consomme .

Figures really, insubstantial & nothing to chew on. ;)

westendlass 05-05-2013 12:02

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1057485)
Figures really, insubstantial & nothing to chew on. ;)

Unlike a pan full of Scouse, thick enough to stand a spoon up in.!:dancedog:

MargaretR 05-05-2013 12:13

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A beef consomme is clear nourishment, whereas scouse adds bulky carbohydrate

which is good at inducing sh.....;)

DaveinGermany 05-05-2013 12:42

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Originally Posted by westendlass (Post 1057486)
Unlike a pan full of Scouse, thick enough to stand a spoon up in.!:dancedog:

Aye, proper scoff. :)

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1057487)
which is good at inducing sh.....;)

On this one, I'll let your superior knowledge stand my dear Mags, as you surely know more on this particular topic than I. ;)

cmonstanley 05-05-2013 18:00

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i dont care who implemented it .it is wrong to put people at risk just to give money to the shareholder community by cutting corners.

jaysay 05-05-2013 18:08

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1057545)
i dont care who implemented it .it is wrong to put people at risk just to give money to the shareholder community by cutting corners.

Go on then give us a detailed list of the thousands of cases which involve pure intended negligence for profit, now take your time, don't hurry with this project, but an answer would be appreciated before Friday, but please before that publish your Plan B, tommi is getting a bit annoyed at you keep ignoring him.

cmonstanley 11-05-2013 10:01

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well yesterday they said a+e was in crisis is that not enough:eek:

cashman 11-05-2013 10:20

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1058229)
well yesterday they said a+e was in crisis is that not enough:eek:

Enough fer you anyway.:rolleyes::D Believe the media when it suits,like most people.;)

jaysay 11-05-2013 10:35

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1058229)
well yesterday they said a+e was in crisis is that not enough:eek:

Forgot how many time the NHS had crisis between 97 and 2010, like when the multi million pound newly installed computer system went tits up;)

Neil 11-05-2013 13:25

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1057289)
how many deaths are the private firms responsible for in the nhs:confused: in thelast half hour ive found 4. 1 in a private ambulance firm working on a outsourced contract operating without trained personel Amputee dies in G4S ambulance due to 'insufficient' staff training - Home News - UK - The Independent the 111 service run by untrained private staff 3 that we know of.does anybody know of any more:confused:

That isn't an ambulance, it's a minibus. I can't understand why they call the patient transport vehicles ambulances because in general we think of ambulances as emergency vehicles.

Neil 11-05-2013 13:28

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Here is a link about ambulances for you, I won't copy and paste it. Its not just private contract firms but NHS ambulances that are performing poorly Thousands die from ambulance delays | Mail Online

DaveinGermany 11-05-2013 13:47

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1058255)
Its not just private contract firms but NHS ambulances that are performing poorly

That's no good to C'mon Neil, there's no mileage for political gum bumping if the NHS is involved. How can he slag the Tories & their chums off for cashing in at the great British publics expense when it's NHS. ;)

accyman 11-05-2013 13:47

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May be a bit off topic but because burnley A+E has been shut down the increase in patients at blackburn has seriously effected routine checkups.This may not seem like a big deal but when someone has spent the previous 24 hours not eating and consuming extreemly powerfull laxatives the last thing they need as they are about to go down to theater is that their bed is needed for someone fom A+E so can they go home and re-arrange a checkup which there is no guarentee wont also be cancelled at teh last second.

i know this because when booking in for my colonoscomy i was told if i was to use blackburn so i could have me specialist do it there was a good chance it could be cancelled at the last minuite so i was better off booking into burnley but my specialst didnt operate at burnley.

i speak to a lot of nurses and doctors during my mqany visits and not one of them thinks shutting burnley was a good idea just like the majority of people didnt when it was forst suggested

jaysay 11-05-2013 13:51

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1058258)
May be a bit off topic but because burnley A+E has been shut down the increase in patients at blackburn has seriously effected routine checkups.This may not seem like a big deal but when someone has spent the previous 24 hours not eating and consuming extreemly powerfull laxatives the last thing they need as they are about to go down to theater is that their bed is needed for someone fom A+E so can they go home and re-arrange a checkup which there is no guarentee wont also be cancelled at teh last second.

i know this because when booking in for my colonoscomy i was told if i was to use blackburn so i could have me specialist do it there was a good chance it could be cancelled at the last minuite so i was better off booking into burnley but my specialst didnt operate at burnley.

Ya but when did this happen, the closing of Burnley and moving most things to Blackburn, think you'll find it was around 2002;)

accyman 11-05-2013 13:57

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1058259)
Ya but when did this happen, the closing of Burnley and moving most things to Blackburn, think you'll find it was around 2002;)


wasnt saying whos fault it is or was but something has changed in the last 12 months because for teh past 10 years there hasnt been this problem

DaveinGermany 11-05-2013 14:03

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1058257)
there's no mileage for political gum bumping. ;)

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1058229)
well yesterday they said a+e was in crisis is that not enough:eek:

Heads

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1058259)
think you'll find it was around 2002;)

Tails

Your call folks. ;)

cashman 11-05-2013 14:09

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1058262)
wasnt saying whos fault it is or was but something has changed in the last 12 months because for teh past 10 years there hasnt been this problem

Yeh but jaysays as bad as cmon fer wanting to blame somebody.:rolleyes: so the past 10 yrs won't count.:D

jaysay 11-05-2013 14:12

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1058264)
Yeh but jaysays as bad as cmon fer wanting to blame somebody.:rolleyes: so the past 10 yrs won't count.:D

Wrong again cashy, only tell C'mon when he's totally and utterly wrong, well go on then that's every time he posts:D

cashman 11-05-2013 14:18

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1058265)
Wrong again cashy, only tell C'mon when he's totally and utterly wrong, well go on then that's every time he posts:D

I rest my case!!! occasionally he does talk some sense.:D

accyman 11-05-2013 14:28

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all i know is that under labour a lot of new hospitals and medical centers got opened and that when the torys were last in power a hell of a lot of hospitals got shut down

granted this new queens park hospital is a complete disaster but money was spent at the end of the day to try and improve things and consolodate two hospitals into one

if i had gotten cancer when under tory government i would have either died by the time i got treatment or found myself in a corridoor on a stretcher because there were no free beds and people laying in corridoors is something no one will ever forget.

my friend raised money for a new incubator for queens park hospital and the torys stole it away to a hospital down south once the got a sniff of its presence.When my friend went back he was handed back the plaqe saying donated by and teh screws that attatched it.

what he shoud have done was loan it to them but because he gave it to them it became NHS propperty therefore he couldnt insist it was returned to wher eit was meant for

jaysay 11-05-2013 15:07

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1058267)
all i know is that under labour a lot of new hospitals and medical centers got opened and that when the torys were last in power a hell of a lot of hospitals got shut down

granted this new queens park hospital is a complete disaster but money was spent at the end of the day to try and improve things and consolodate two hospitals into one

if i had gotten cancer when under tory government i would have either died by the time i got treatment or found myself in a corridoor on a stretcher because there were no free beds and people laying in corridoors is something no one will ever forget.

my friend raised money for a new incubator for queens park hospital and the torys stole it away to a hospital down south once the got a sniff of its presence.When my friend went back he was handed back the plaqe saying donated by and teh screws that attatched it.

what he shoud have done was loan it to them but because he gave it to them it became NHS propperty therefore he couldnt insist it was returned to wher eit was meant for

Every NEW HOSPITAL BUILT BY LABOUR was via PFI and the fact is all these hospitals won't be paid for at least another 20 years including the interest, which is the reason so much strain is now on the NHS. wonder if C'mon would like to comment on that, he has a thing about private companies, must have been Tony and Gordon's mates who had a good drink out of it;)


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