Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1096639)

And your full of wit (well at least something that rhymes with it) :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1096630)

You obviously have not really taken onboard much of what has been said.
You keep on stating that this is a controversial issue - it is only controversial when you do not subscribe to it.
It makes sense to me. I can see the benefits, and they outweigh the drawbacks.
Training that the military receive is also used in the NHS. Research papers are freely available...and it is inevitable that skills learnt in the theatres of war will ultimately benefit trauma victims.

Many surgeons are members of the TA and regularly have tours of duty in places where conflicts are taking place

And I agree with Studio25...given convincing arguments you can change your mind about issues...the only time that this is impossible is if you have a closed mind which is unreceptive to different concepts.

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1096641)

Like I say lack of imagination, you aren't the first and you won't be the last to use that one. Glad you could get it in before you go.
;)

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1096643)

go where?

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1096637)

How do you know for sure that they have 'no knowledge of their fate' or suffer any 'pain'?

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1096651)

I would have thought someone so sensitive to the death of an unconscious pig would have been voicing a lot more qualms about halal and kosher slaughter- a fully conscious animal having it's throat cut right to the spine then left to bleed to death. Now there is a practice which needs reviewing!

Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1096655)

Just read post #238 on the Death of a Woolwich Soldier.

Sensitive to the pigs death but not to its entrails being used as some primitive totem or spell Gordon.

Originally Posted by Studio25 (Post 1096649)

I don't know for sure - I've never been to Denmark let alone seen livestock being used for training.

My only evidence for thinking they don't suffer is that it says they are anaesthetised in the link YOU supplied at the top of the thread.

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1096657)

As you know,If there is one thing about reading papers it's not to believe the properganda they push.

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1096657)

In the pics it shows the pigs mouth taped up,now Margaret suggested it maybe because of when they come round,but I think it's more to stop them biting if they don't use enough anaesthetic like in the clip I posted,which would suggest they do feel these 'procedures'.

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1096657)

Perhaps I'm a new age hippy but didn't know it :)

Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1096655)

Just read post #238 on the Death of a Woolwich Soldier.

Sensitive to the pigs death but not to its entrails being used as some primitive totem or spell Gordon.

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1096659)

How do you know he knows?

Clairvoyant as well as obsessive eh?





I would put my trust in Margaret's theories long before I wasted a pinch of salt on any theory you put forward after reading your recent posts.



Nope just dumb, if you weren't dumb you would know you aren't a hippy.

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1096661)

I know he knows because every other comment on Accyweb that has a link to a paper says so.

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1096661)

Now now less,keep a eye on the old blood pressure cock(er).