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As a callow youth at Accy Tech I always took with a pinch of salt when told that Paddock House girls were lectured by the Nuns at Paddock House on the dangers of wearing patent leather shoes.
Well the wheel has gone full circle!
Just had a pleasant Sunday dinner up at the Griffin's Head with my son and family and guess what my grandaughter (14) who is at "The Academy" tells me?
Yup
Patent leather shoes are banned because people can use the reflection to look up a girls skirt.

Have we moved on in the last 50 odd years? Apparently not. :confused:

And howabout this one guys and gals?
She tells me also they are not allowed to have their hair in a bun at school?
Can anybody explain that one to me?

I have asked Bex to find out the reasons on that one cos' I am stumped

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because the fat kids might try to eat it ?

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Schools seem to like to ban shoes and hairstyles that are in vogue.
I think the reasoning for them not wearing patent leather shoes is flawed.......most shoes today would not have the reflective material in the right place to see up a girls skirt.
Think about it........!
The banning of fashions is to perhaps focus attention on something other than how students look.

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if they think kids are using the refelction on shoes to look up girls skirts then them teachers are pretty backward or extreemely dim

it sounds more like an extreemly poor excuse to justify what they want to acheive or to cover for their extreemly fussy preferences

if they are going to ban something they should have a reasonable reason for doing so and not a flimsy excuse

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They probably have some connection with a shoe shop which only sells the type of shoes allowed.

Schools are supposed to have made uniform more affordable to families yet they do their best to make it so restrictive on where you can buy it.

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Quite right MP, patent leather shoes cannot do that. My mess kit dress shoes were patent leather - so one could say I have some experience on the subject. However, not as bad as the pervs who used to watch the HP girls playing netball in the school yard;)

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Yes Accyman, you are right and it is a very flimsy excuse.
If the school wishes to ban them then they should just do that and not give a ludicrous reason.
It wouldn't matter if the patent leather extended up the whole of a girls leg...you still would not be able to look up her skirt using the reflective powers of the footwear.

If they were keen to protect the modesty of the girls then the simple answer would be to ask all the girls to wear trousers.

I am out and about when the pupils are making their way to The Academy and St Christopher's and some of the skirts these girls wear are so short that you can lamost see their underwear anyway.
We had a teacher who would monitor the hemlines of the girls as they filed past into school, anyone who had a short skirt on(above the knee) was sent home to change.

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This is not quite the same sort of thing, but is about school regulations and what some do and don’t allow. My 4-year-old granddaughter goes to Pre-school 2½ days a week and comes here to us for 2 days. I always like to have a few projects for us to do and the other day one of these was making a batch of gingerbread men.

She was very proud of the fact that she had helped make them and took 2 to Pre-school in her lunchbox. Both were sent back home with a note to the effect that biscuits were not allowed. These were homemade biscuits for crying out loud – admittedly with ‘sweet’ ingredients, but not shop-bought rubbish.

A couple of days later she had 2 apples in her lunchbox – one was sent home. When queried about this the little one said ‘we are only allowed to have 1 piece of fruit’. Not sure about this though as maybe she only wanted one.

The lunchboxes of both my young grandchildren are always full of healthy, nutritious food – so surely a little flexibility wouldn’t go amiss when a couple of homemade biscuits are included.

Just as well they didn’t see how many of the gingerbread men she ate here.

The ironic thing is that they allow white bread that has absolutely no nutritional value, and crackers that have lots of salt in them!

By the way, the older one at primary school (same campus) ate her biscuits at school, no problem.

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Also the same Pre-school has banned birthday cakes. If a child has a birthday they can only take a pretend (plastic) cake to school to celebrate the occasion.

I can understand the fight against obesity but really.....

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I found that patent leather shoes were ineffective , so attached a small mirror to the end of a 3ft-long folding stick. The idea came to me whilst watching Hyndburn Park girls playing netball in the yard. I learned that, even on Saturday nights, many schoolgirls out dancing at Christ Church or the Arcadian still wore navy blue knickers.

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Times have moved on Bob get th'sel a selfie stick.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewziegle...-level#1dpgrfl

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Here are links to the school uniform rules for the two schools mentioned

http://www.accrington-academy.org/Po...us_Page_11.png

School Dress Code | St Christopher's CE High School

Both refer to either traditional black school shoes or just plain black shoes and St Chris's lists this as not being allowed

And this on skirts

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Well, Neil, I am not sure the skirt policy is being monitored.
When driving along Whalley Road this morning there were pupils from both the Academy and St Christophers who were definitely not abiding by the uniform policy.......with expanses of above the knee flesh on show.

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Too much PC bs ... what a kid eats is a parenting thing; no business of the school at all. The only time a school should show concern is if the kid is obviously not getting enough to eat.

I ate school dinners ... and they would turn the stomach of a crow ... oh, and I played conkers without supervision, or a helmet and safety goggles.:rolleyes:

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If we hadn't got school dinners we would have starved.
I quite liked most of them...and I am a fussy eater.
Mind you they didn't serve foreign grub all those years ago.:)

I am sick of the healthy eating fascists....those who know better than parents what children should be eating.
Teach children to cook healthy food from scratch and give then the playing fields back......that would be a start in tackling obesity...but only a start.

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Of course they had foreign muck ... swedes, brussel sprouts, welsh rarebit, ... oh, and Yorkshire pudding ... it don't get more foreign than Yorkshire.:D

And you are right about play ... so what if there are cuts and bruises, maybe the odd broken arm; it's part of growing and learning (helped along by the odd backhander from your mom:D) Sure risks are involved; but human beings got where we are by taking risks ... risk taking is part of how we learn.

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I liked all those things....Brussels sprouts, swedes....I could eat them by the plateful.I wasn't keen on school Yorkshire pud.....but Ma's was Devine.

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So ... you fart a lot, eh:s_fart::hidewall:

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Nope! I can control my bodily gases.

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My grandad was a press operator at Howard and Bulloughs where they used to stamp them out.

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It's not easy enforcing it before or after school though. Those Academy skirts have a logo on them high up, it disappears when the girls roll them up at the waist to make them shorter so they can't use the "it's a bit small on me" excuse to the staff.

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I would agree with you on that except when you look at the childhood obesity figures

That came from here Child Obesity :: Public Health England Obesity Knowledge and Intelligence team

Should the authorities ignore these figures or try to do something about it? I'm not saying the way they are going about it is right because some of the things we hear about is stupid like plastic cake. Would be better to have no cake at all than a plastic one.

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My sister tells me back in the days of The Girls High School, a skirt was deemed too short if it failed this simple test.
Kneel upright on a floor mat your back straight and if the hem of your skirt didnt touch the mat, lines or detention.

That ought to do it.

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Not very practical though getting the girls on their knees every morning in registration, can you imagine the headlines in the local rag

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I can't!

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Well, it is too late to try and train you now.:)

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it depends what measurements they are taking to check whether a child is obese or not.
BMI(body mass index) is unreliable because it doesn't take into account that muscular children will weigh more, but that muscles burn calories where fat does not.
The problem of obesity is multifaceted and therefore a 'one size fits all approach' is never going to work.
Also it is wrong to be prescriptive about what parents should include in lunch boxes....it just alienates those who need help......and is counter productive.
It would be far better to give children education in the preparation of healthy food.......in my experience, children are always happy to eat something that they have made.

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Mrs Owen(the teacher at my school) didn't need to get the girls to do anything like that she just used to scan us all(with her eyes) as we filed in for registration....anyone who had a skirt that was too short was sent home to change.

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What about Retlaw's cork? ;)

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Yes, that would work, but it isn't exactly training...more a mechanical obstruction......
One of Accyx's mouldy plums would do, but it would have to be bunged home tightly.

Tell me .......how did we get onto such a juvenile and lavatorial subject?

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Retlaw's cork would take your eye out and Accyx's plum would make for an apalling scene if it backfired! :eek:

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Blame Canada's equivalent of Sir Les Patterson ;)

OJ Eric ;)

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Mea culpa, I'm proud to admit ... but I don't see where the juvenile comes in ... I have "Old Fart" on my cup???

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Of course, as I often do, I owe a debt to George Carlin:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-4S3gUWLkY

Well, I never;)

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Juvenile.......because young boys find bodily gases and lavatory stuff funny.

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No you couldn't take an eye out there are no aiming sights........if you did take an eye out it would be pure luck.....crappy poor luck!
I agree about the plum though.....but it would be kinder to get in(having softer rounded edges......please don't ask me how I know about these things. An explanation would be sure to put you right off your nose bag)......but messier coming out!

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Not only young boys ... Shakespeare uses lavatory funny stuff, in "Comedy of Errors" for example ... and it can be found as far back as Chaucer:

From Geoffrey Chaucer's "The Canterbury Tales", The Miller's Tale, lines 698-707

And probably in earlier literatures ... and in the oral traditions of most cultures.

But many of the PC rules governing dress, food and recreation in schools are funny, if one finds "funny" in the ridiculous.

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I don't doubt that these kinds of humour go back in time.....but is a male thing......to find chaps setting fire to bum gas(why on earth anyone would think singed bum hairs are amusing beats me).....or having contests as to who can hold the longest bum note.....I have never heard of females doing such things.Maybe I have had a sheltered existence.

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That's 'cause females don't fart all that much ... they don't keep their mouths closed long enough to allow the pressure to build up.:D

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that only really happens if you do it naked.The clothes provide some protection although it is wise to remove the ignition source ie: lighter before you reach the trail end of a fart.

My ex shoulda lit her farts she thought she had intermitant swolen ankles until i pointed out it was because she was farting while wearing tights

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Farting Fat Mobile Man: Farting Fat Mobile Man - YouTube

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I remember working on a surgical ward and a young man was brought in with quite a roasted bottom.......he had done this by his friend lighting his bum gas.
He used to cry like a baby when we changed the gelonet dressings on his bottom.......all because they were acting the mick.

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Wow! That must have been quite the pet. Fartzilla:eek:

But let's not forget the art of fart;)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tixKopGjn5s

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Whilst we`re discussing farts, lets not forget the good old Dutch Oven http://www.jonrb.com/emoticons/fartinbed.gif

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Just using your eyes and you will see that the figures can't be far wrong

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Some children have been deemed overweight at these measuring sessions when the clearly do not look fat.
It is a bit of a fine line to tread.....it is easy to instil in children eating disorders......anorexia...bulimia.
Feeding children low fat, low calorie foods can be a mistake.
They need all the food groups, but in moderation.....it is moderation which is the key.

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You must have seen young fat kids about, I know I have. Yes I agree that it's not easy to quantify and some may be labelled incorrectly but we are breading a generation that don't know what outside is and prefer to socialise sat in front of a PC - a bit like we are now :D

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Yes, you are right. The lack of physical activity has a bearing on the issue.
As for me......well I do spend time in front of a screen, but most days I walk between five and ten km.
The only day that I don't clock up my ten thousand(usually in the region of sixteen thousand steps) is on a Sunday.
I am active for an old bird.....looking after Ma sees to this.